So much complaining

[danieleilertsen]

I am having many problems with my macbook pro 15 with touchbar (Best spec).

1. Everytime I "log on" the display flickers. Found out it goes away if I turn off filevault.

2. When watching a movie, connected to a tv via hdmi adapter I got from apple, the picture goes away (it turns completely black on the tv) every couple of minutes. The black screen lasts about a half a second before showing the normal movie picture thats running. Tried different files. Happens every time.

3. The battery life is crazy short. Been using safari, on 100 prosent battery from start, and now 20 minutes later we are down to 73 %. 2 hours and 55 minutes left. Come on!

4. When I try to move a file in finder the track pad is not able to move it. Its like the track pad doesn't recognize my left finger when i am holdning it down.

Tried reinstalling sierra.

 

[Abazigal]

Same size and keyboard as the 2015 model, it was thin enough. Better battery life, if Apple wasn't obsessed with thinness this would have been easily achieved due to more efficient processors. USB C but also at least one legacy USB port and SD card slot. If they wanted to stick with the new keyboard then more key travel. Magsafe with the option to charge with USB C as well. New screen is a nice upgrade but we didn't need the gimmicky touchbar.

I would have loved a 10 series Nvidia card, a bit of a stretch maybe but you are talking ideal. Anyway, all of what I mentioned above for last years price + 200 would be reasonable.

I don't think something along those lines is asking for much, and it would have been pretty well received.

So basically the existing MacBook Pro design with minimal changes.

I am reminded of the quote about how people would tell Henry Ford that they wanted faster horses, simply because they had no idea of what a car was or the potential it held.

Just think - Apple decided to risk all that backlash after sinking all that resources into redesigning the MacBook Pro. Why would they, when your scenario would have been the obviously safer choice?

 

[auero]

Please tell us what this ideal laptop from Apple would be like...

I know people are being particular and Apple can't create a machine for each of us, however, many people use our machines to make a living as a tool. I was mostly disappointed that Apple partnered with AMD on the 400-series GPU when they could have gone with a 1000 series card that supports CUDA. I've never had a good experience with an ATI/AMD Mac in terms of reliability. Don't get me wrong, I think the design of the MacBook Pro is great, however, I'd take a bigger battery for more memory and a better GPU if it entailed making it thicker or keeping it about the same size.

 

[thesaint024]

Thing is the 2016 MBP may meet your needs & expectations, equally not mine, nor is this related to a small minority.

I would argue that you are a small minority given the sales figures. I know you guys think they are 50% overstated because there will be a mass of returns because of dissatisfaction, but history says that's unlikely. I have no issue with people thinking this is not worthy of an upgrade in anyone's particular case. If I had a '15, I don't think I'd be upgrading. But I also don't think I'd be on this forum beating that point to death. Not you in particular but a certain contingent that may or may not include you. Why? You think Apple will really change course?

 

[motime]

So basically the existing MacBook Pro design with minimal changes.

I am reminded of the quote about how people would tell Henry Ford that they wanted faster horses, simply because they had no idea of what a car was or the potential it held.

Just think - Apple decided to risk all that backlash after sinking all that resources into redesigning the MacBook Pro. Why would they, when your scenario would have been the obviously safer choice?

It wasn't just the safer choice, it was the sensible choice. You don't just change something for the sake of changing it, that is a terrible argument. The changes have to have some substance and merit. In this instance, they were really superficial and not worth it.

 

[thesaint024]

Same size and keyboard as the 2015 model, it was thin enough. Better battery life, if Apple wasn't obsessed with thinness this would have been easily achieved due to more efficient processors. USB C but also at least one legacy USB port and SD card slot. If they wanted to stick with the new keyboard then more key travel. Magsafe with the option to charge with USB C as well. New screen is a nice upgrade but we didn't need the gimmicky touchbar.

I would have loved a 10 series Nvidia card, a bit of a stretch maybe but you are talking ideal. Anyway, all of what I mentioned above for last years price + 200 would be reasonable.

I don't think something along those lines is asking for much, and it would have been pretty well received.

You're right, that's not asking much, just for a refresh of 2015. That's what you want? We got a redesign in 2016 and I've been waiting for one. Many would not "well receive" a 2015 refresh. With the killing of MBA, I needed this to be that small. The 2015 is still there if you want it. Apple has screwed some "pro" users with underwhelming cpu/ram/graphics specs, but you aren't even asking for that. You just want a 2015 with a usb-c port and more efficient battery?

 

[Abazigal]

It wasn't the safer choice, it was the sensible choice. You don't just change something for the sake of changing it, the changes have to have some substance and merit. In this instance, they were really superficial and not worth it.

Apple is a company who doesn't change things for the sake of changing things. Why do you think the design of the MacBook Air has been left unchanged for so many years? Precisely because it is easy to make something differently, but way harder to make something different and better.

That's why Apple included only USB C ports while dropping all the other ports. They pretty much telegraphed the move to us with the MacBook. Apple believes that USB-C is the future and is willing to go all the way out for it. And they know that the fastest way to effect this change is to bring the future to us, whether we like it or not.

This isn't apple making a change for the sake of change, or simply to sell dongles for a few extra dollars. This is Apple having a vision of what the future of computing ought to be like, and having the conviction to lay down the foundation to make this vision into reality.

Like it or not, we need influential companies like Apple to push for this sort of change, precisely because no other company will (have the courage to make a change of this scale).

 

[motime]

You're right, that's not asking much, just for a refresh of 2015. That's what you want? We got a redesign in 2016 and I've been waiting for one. Many would not "well receive" a 2015 refresh. With the killing of MBA, I needed this to be that small. The 2015 is still there if you want it. Apple has screwed some "pro" users with underwhelming cpu/ram/graphics specs, but you aren't even asking for that. You just want a 2015 with a usb-c port and more efficient battery?
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Too bad most 'pro' users aren't living in some PC vs Mac fanboy heaven like you seem to be.

They are concerned quality products that help them be more productive, not with which company has more balls. Whatever the hell that means. Touch bar when computers have full fletched touch screens is quite ballsy indeed.

 

[altaic]

Speaking of this thread's title, is there any way to hide/ignore entire threads?

 

[thesaint024]

Too bad most 'pro' users aren't living in some PC vs Mac fanboy heaven like you seem to be.

They are concerned quality products that help them be more productive, not with which company has more balls.

Same dumb name calling I hear when someone gets shutdown. "Fanboy". Read some threads, stop crying, and buy a 2015. Offended that it meets my needs and a record breaking others? Lot of "fanboys" I guess. I own PC's too, *friend*.

Edit: A guardian angel suggested I tone it down. Thanks.

 

[AdonisSMU]

- The complaints about price are thoughtless. The price increased in 2012 and it will go down with time.
- The complaints about processor performance have no ground. Apple are using the latest 28W and 45W chips.

(The 15" CPU doesn't see much improvement due to the fact it is using the non-Iris Pro chips).​

However, the complaints regarding a non-removable SSD and the lack of ports are valid, they are features that have been taken away and could have been implemented into the new model. It may be a surprise for some, but even the 12" MacBook is thick enough to have a USB-A port if Apple wanted to do that.

Obviously Apple want to go to USB-C for everything but that doesn't justify just 4 ports and no SD card slot.
If they spent more time with the internal design, they could fit a removable SSD in both models so really there is no excuse.
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They made the 11" Air into the RMB but they made the 13" Air into the base MBP.

Ummm the price in 2012 dollars is the same as the 2012 machine was when it came out. Just thought I'd point out that there is a time value with money that one must consider. When I did the math the 2016 machine is actually cheaper than the 2012 machine.

 

[crunklejanken]

Critique =/= complaint.

Critique is important, and ignoring it is dangerous. There are legitimate issues, and the only way Apple is going to hear about it is if people bring it up.

Discussion is also important, because it means the community is alive.

 

[bab5139]

Now if we are talking ideal... A slightly larger variant that comes with a Kabby Lake Quad core proc since they worked an exclusivity deal with Intel and that is the reason why the public release date had slipped. Options up to 32 gigs of ram that isn't soldered on. The support for third party external video card enclosures. Slightly more travel on the keyboard. A light on the front to tell you when the device is asleep. A battery indicator. MagSafe charging port right behind the usb-c ports on the left side of the laptop. A display port for the poor people that have the cinema display. The headphone port somewhere other than the right of the laptop. A user serviceable hard drive. USB-A port or a USB-A to USB-C dongle in the box. The full power cord. An Nvidia video card, the 1060 or 1080. A cooling system that ensures that the bottom of the laptop never gets hot. A battery that lasts 10 hours when using it with my type of workload.

Then some bonus areas: E-INK keyboard keys that still light up white. A full HD face time camera with infrared for facial authentication. And while we are at it, a 4k OLED that doesn't burn in

Yea, all of that would be really nice.

Oh and it needs to weigh less than 2 pounds but feels sturdy like it weighs 5

 

[dashwin]

There is so much complaining on here about the new macbook pro's ...

So I received my 15' TB and honestly it beats any expectation I had.. is the 2.7 / 460. It's fast and also battery is great (posted in another thread 2 hours ago - still have 12 hours on apples flakey time)

Anyway - those on the fence, try it out ... beats my 2012 one

Note that your experience may differ from others and people come to a forum like this to see if there are solutions. Obviously you'd have more issue threads than non-issue threads. If you didn't have an issue you'd be doing something else with your shiny new Mac.

And when has 're-installing Mac OS Sierra' been a fix for a new Apple product release? Users expect things to work out of the box.

There wouldn't be so many complaints if Apple had not made so many changes all at once and/or if it was gradual. For example, if they had provided an excellent low profile all-in-one dongle to replace the older ports (like when they removed the Superdrive), then maybe that's one way to address users concerns.

I think complaining is great and it helps those of us who bought the MBP understand the various issues that they may not otherwise immediately notice. So lets not stop complaining!

 

[kwandrews]

There is so much complaining on here about the new macbook pro's ...

So I received my 15' TB and honestly it beats any expectation I had.. is the 2.7 / 460. It's fast and also battery is great (posted in another thread 2 hours ago - still have 12 hours on apples flakey time)

Anyway - those on the fence, try it out ... beats my 2012 one

Yes. A lot of people are upset. I'm not. I swapped my 13" for power in a quad core 15" and am very please. Just a minor issue so far with the battery life, but a clean install of 10.12.1 seems to have addressed it. I've been on battery for the last 50 minutes, still at 98% and showing 8:45 left. I'm good with that.

I too came from a pair of 2012's (MBA 13" and Mini i7 quad 16G and SSD). Blows them away (of course). If I had a 2015 MBP, there would not be a reason to upgrade at all. Maybe not even a 2014. I do tend to keep Macs and hand them down for a quite a while. Right now, we have the following in the house....

2016 MBP 15" (mine)
2012 MBA 13" (my old one, now my wife's)
2010 MBP 13" (wife's old one, now my son's)
2008 iMac 24" (son's old one, which used to be mine and now I may just use for a file server)
forget year, but a G4 mini that still runs is in my office. Spin it up for fun once and a while

 

[Queen6]

I would argue that you are a small minority given the sales figures. I know you guys think they are 50% overstated because there will be a mass of returns because of dissatisfaction, but history says that's unlikely. I have no issue with people thinking this is not worthy of an upgrade in anyone's particular case. If I had a '15, I don't think I'd be upgrading. But I also don't think I'd be on this forum beating that point to death. Not you in particular but a certain contingent that may or may not include you. Why? You think Apple will really change course?

Time will tell, as for change I have already started...

Q-6

 

[Works4Me]

Ah well, might as well add my two cents. In my case, it was simply the price increase and ports. It just wasn't worth it for me, so I bought a refurb 15. It will do the job for a few years and I saved significant $$$.

 

[Appleaker]

Ummm the price in 2012 dollars is the same as the 2012 machine was when it came out. Just thought I'd point out that there is a time value with money that one must consider. When I did the math the 2016 machine is actually cheaper than the 2012 machine.

I don't know how you worked it out, but that's incorrect. In 2012 dollars, the machine would be $100 cheaper. Regardless, it is irrelevant to the fact that there was a $400 premium with the 2012 rMBP, which decreased by $200 over time but simultaneously improved the specs. And there is a $400 premium now, which, if Apple listens to everybody, will decrease by over $200.

 

[maflynn]

I would argue that you are a small minority given the sales figures. I know you guys think they are 50% overstated because there will be a mass of returns because of dissatisfaction, but history says that's unlikely. I have no issue with people thinking this is not worthy of an upgrade in anyone's particular case. If I had a '15, I don't think I'd be upgrading. But I also don't think I'd be on this forum beating that point to death. Not you in particular but a certain contingent that may or may not include you. Why? You think Apple will really change course?

That's what we'll see shake out once we see a fuller financial report. I think it was in their best interest to proclaim how great the sales are, so those on the fence may buy them.

I wouldn't be surprised to see higher then usual return percentages, but even so, I think the sales figures will be fairly positive for apple. The general consumer will see that apple updated the computer and will just buy it, just because of apple's reputation. I don't think the bottom will fall out, even though many of us core apple users are disappointed

 

[JohnnyGo]

Ah well, might as well add my two cents. In my case, it was simply the price increase and ports. It just wasn't worth it for me, so I bought a refurb 15. It will do the job for a few years and I saved significant $$$.

Great post. Objective and personal at the same time.

As others pointed out, there is a premium for the newer tech that overtime will decrease. No one is being forced to pay the premium and/or to upgrade.

Those with pre-2012 MBPs (non retina) or MBAs will gain the most but they can still opt to buy a 2015 model from many retailers, refurbs from Apple or get one used from a friend that is upgrading his current MBP.

If there is a specific need (eg 32GB RAM) you have to look elsewhere. But Apple has never offered 32GB in a laptop and there are serious technical limitations on Intel CPUs so I understand Apple staying with the "main market" and not catering to fringe cases.

 

[Ulenspiegel]

There is so much complaining on here about the new macbook pro's ..

Criticism ≠ complaining.

 

[jerryk]

My 2 cents is in 6 months or less most of the issues with drivers, availability of USB-C/TB-3 devices will be be gone. That leaves things like the new keyboard and value for money as the deciding factors.

 

[bjet767]

But I've had 16 gigs since 2011 and I've been hitting a wall for the last 2 years.

In another thread I challenged the posters to prove their need for more than 16 gig of memory (other than running multiple VMs) using the current 64 bit processors and OS X.

It was crickets and now you write, "I've been hitting a wall..."

So please inform us how, what programs and what you are doing which absolutely uses over 16 gigs of memory.
And please don't say Final Cut Pro or other rendering programs use it before you check your memory used. These programs are CPU intensive at times, but do not require additional memory to run.

Just so you know I will eat my words and say, "yes I was wrong" if you or anyone else's can show that, besides running multiple VMs, more than 16 gig does something huge benefit in our 64 bit OS X world.

 

[maflynn]

So please inform us how,

Does it really matter?

If someone states he needs more then 16GB of ram, and you're requiring them to prove that need? I don't think that's really necessary, if they say then need over 16GB of ram, then that's sufficient.

This picture comes to mind, because its along the same lines, someone on the internet has to prove something to you, otherwise its not a real need.

 

[bjet767]

they were really superficial and not worth it.

Superficial????

You must be correct and nobody noticed thee four small ports on the sides and the lighted bar on the keyboard.

Like or hate them just those two changes are huge!

If you don't think so look at how many comments they have generated. You are just wrong on this.