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So, now that the D4 is officially announced...
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I'm also very keen to see dynamic range improvements, things are beginning to look up.
I saw a terribly unexposed RAW file (almost black) from a Pentax K-5 pulled up to near perfect, the practical application of what this example illustrates (and what the future holds) is very promising.
I reckon it's pretty close to the mark, the 5DII can currently be had for around $2000 from some vendors.
With a new model released that's sure to fall even more.
I saw a terribly unexposed RAW file (almost black) from a Pentax K-5 pulled up to near perfect, the practical application of what this example illustrates (and what the future holds) is very promising.
I reckon it's pretty close to the mark, the 5DII can currently be had for around $2000 from some vendors.
With a new model released that's sure to fall even more.
I really get confused with many of your posts (been reading for a while). You seem to be all over the place in regards to what you want. One min you want to change camera systems for a len, before that it was something else, now you would be happy to get a Canon 5DII or Nikon D700 if they lower the price. There seems to be no consistency to your decisions. I think the Canon D1X is an outstanding camera and in some ways bests the new D4, but would I be willing to change out of my current Nikon system for a few more mega-pixels? I can easily buy 2 or 3 D4's if I want however I have the lens trinity, and am quite invested in Nikon based on brand (loyalty), performance (I know how I like to shot and Nikon suits my style), quality, etc... You appear to be unsettled in how you shoot, or what you want. For me, it is kind of hard to take you serious when you ask questions. Not trying to pick a fight, but I really can't get what you want most of the time.
Haven't had a single crash in 2 1/2 years with my 5DII - over 25000+ shots. Are you using third party lenses?
You're not the only person who missed something. The only crash related to my camera gear sent my 24-70/f2.8 to Nikon Service for a $300 tuneup.
Hi,
I posted again in the other thread. You can read it if you like. I explain a bit more in the last post.
Let's see, I need an extra bit of cash, and weigh in my other options. At the end, when I have made my purchase, we may see consistency : ) !!!
Kind regards,
igmolinav : ) !!!
I posted again in the other thread. You can read it if you like. I explain a bit more in the last post.
Let's see, I need an extra bit of cash, and weigh in my other options. At the end, when I have made my purchase, we may see consistency : ) !!!
Kind regards,
igmolinav : ) !!!
Not to nitpick, but you may be taking this the wrong way around. You seem to have invested SOME money into Nikon and according to your own posts the d50 body is more than enough for your needs.. since you , apparently, know the system and can h angle the camera, why switch to another body and not buy a lens for your D50 NOW.. since I don't think yoga reshooting much since your kit lens broke?
Whiskey-Echo....
I'll try to remember not to get sucked into these road to no where threads. Anyway, all the best.....
You have the patience of a holy man.... I've long given up trying to figure out these ramblings. I will notice the name and just move on.
BTW, send you a PM.
Here are a few samples:
http://www.alinpopescu.eu/blog/more-samples-nikon-d4/
Looks pretty decent - and better than the D3s at 12,800 ISO. I'll put up a sample of that maybe tonight for comparison - but it's worth remembering that my shots are usually at night where it is more demanding, while those daytime samples are far less demanding.
With these enormous ISO settings, the key to getting a great image is correct exposure, even maybe slight over-exposure. You can easily clean up the noise with Photoshop Camera Raw and get good results.
Edit: Another batch of samples:
http://www.bezergheanu.com/TestNikon/Nikon-D4Nikkor-8518-af-s/20915871_LhHTdj#
Wash your mouth out!!
Don't you know it's a sin to say that.
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The D4 and 1DX both look like great cameras but I really have everything I need in my 5DII. I'm praying for Canon to not update it because I want to continue feeling I have a 'current' camera without a devil on my shoulder telling me to get the latest and greatest.
I'm very happy to see Nikon finally announce something. Although I'm not interested in a D4 or a D800 at the rumoured specs, I am interested in picking up a second D700, or maybe even a D3s used or reduced when they become relegated to "last years" model. The D700 is a truly fantastic camera.
Now I want Leica and Fuji to make some announcements so I can decide what to do with my M8. Will I be able to upgrade it to full frame as Leica suggested several years ago, or will I be dumping Leica for the Fuji X pro interchangeable lens system that is being talked about?????
Now I want Leica and Fuji to make some announcements so I can decide what to do with my M8. Will I be able to upgrade it to full frame as Leica suggested several years ago, or will I be dumping Leica for the Fuji X pro interchangeable lens system that is being talked about?????
Hi,
Thank you for your messages : ) !!!
Yes, as I previously said in a previous thread, it is a fantastic camera. I was previously a Canon film camera user and the first digital camera I purchased was the Nikon D50. At the time the price was 500. A a friend and I paid for the camera. It still belongs to both of us, (or more to him, since he paid 300). The camera is very good, and after five years with it we ask ourselves how to go ahead with things. There is no question about it, we will buy a lens and perhaps another camera body. We are five people altogether who support and lend each other with what we have. In order to invest in the more expensive lens, my other friend(s) and I have to buy it together. Even though I am the only mac forum user of all of them, we truly appreciate your posts and we apologize for what may be perceived as the inconsistency of our posts. We appreciate all your help and thoughtfulness. It is really nice of some of you to look into several of our previous posts in order to give an opinion and help us.
Thank you again, kind regards,
igmolinav : ) !!!
I see a lot of people using a Sony NEX with Leitz or Zeiss lenses. Just in case the next Leica M is not what you are expecting. People talk about the image quality of Leitz and Zeiss lenses. Do you think you'll like more the quality of the Fuji lenses ??
Thank you for your messages : ) !!!
Yes, as I previously said in a previous thread, it is a fantastic camera. I was previously a Canon film camera user and the first digital camera I purchased was the Nikon D50. At the time the price was 500. A a friend and I paid for the camera. It still belongs to both of us, (or more to him, since he paid 300). The camera is very good, and after five years with it we ask ourselves how to go ahead with things. There is no question about it, we will buy a lens and perhaps another camera body. We are five people altogether who support and lend each other with what we have. In order to invest in the more expensive lens, my other friend(s) and I have to buy it together. Even though I am the only mac forum user of all of them, we truly appreciate your posts and we apologize for what may be perceived as the inconsistency of our posts. We appreciate all your help and thoughtfulness. It is really nice of some of you to look into several of our previous posts in order to give an opinion and help us.
Thank you again, kind regards,
igmolinav : ) !!!
I see a lot of people using a Sony NEX with Leitz or Zeiss lenses. Just in case the next Leica M is not what you are expecting. People talk about the image quality of Leitz and Zeiss lenses. Do you think you'll like more the quality of the Fuji lenses ??
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I don't want to hijack the thread, but I will answer your question.
It may be heresy to many who read photo forums, but I didn't get the Leica because of the lenses. I was very interested in the technique of using a rangefinder, zone focusing in particular. I also wanted a camera that would force me to slow down and think more, and because of the Leica's stripped down controls, force me to learn more about photography, exposure etc. I managed to find one used for an acceptable price, I have 1 lens, a voigtlander 28mm f2, it's absolutely fine, plenty sharp enough. I am not interested in pixel peeping, photographing tree bark, brick walls, and pieces of stone. I enjoy street photography and reportage/photojournalism and documentary photography, I look to Cartier-Bresson and for a more modern twist David Allan Harvey. Recently I have been trying to show the feel of a place rather than what it looks like.
My experiment with the Leica has been successful, it took some time, but I am now confident using it, and really enjoy it. I am looking toward Fuji for a more reliable camera in the tradition of a rangefinder, with some modern conveniences. I'm not married to the Leica at all, but I have managed to enter into the system reasonably cheaply. Let's see what 2012 will give us.
As an aside for those who go on about what pros use etc. David Allan Harvey recently completed a project in Rio using an iPhone, GF1, and D700.
I'm still rocking my D40, and taking great pictures (amateur obviously) I put my money into lenses, and when I finally have all of the lenses I want, I'll buy a used body and let someone else take the early adoption hit for me
I have a Canon 5D MKII and an Olympus PEN E-P3. The PEN can't hold a candle to the 5D MKII in terms of IQ and handling. I can easily switch from setting to setting in the 5D MKII, but a lot of the PEN features take having to go into in camera menus to change.
I ride a motorcycle and one of the things I do is shooting images for an online travel and food blog. It's very inconvenient to take the 5D MKII with me as I have to remove the battery grip and it takes up an entire bag on it's own. That's the reason I got the PEN. Other than that, I can shoot easily at 3200-6400 ISO with the 5D MKII where is I can't with the PEN. A 24-70 f/2.8 can get me some beautiful images with a shallow DOF where I can't do that anywhere near as well with the PEN.
PEN
Vs 5D MKII with 17-40 f/4L @ 40mm and f/4
D4 is a cool camera but I have no need to buy one.
I'm very happy with my D700 and think I can get several more years out of it at least. It has low enough noise for me, even at high ISO (and i can photoshop if I absolutely need it) and I have plenty of good lenses that will keep me happy
In regards to the 3rd gen cameras... they're promising but I'm not convinced they will ever replace DSLRs. If anything, I'd say they'd replace the Point and Shoots or will simply form a third market segment between the P&S and SLRs. But they're not bad cameras at all, esp the Panasonic, Sony, and Samsung offerings (the new nikons look nice too!)... i just wish they had faster lenses. If they did, i'd seriously consider switching my DSLR or just buying it to go alongside what i have now.
I'm very happy with my D700 and think I can get several more years out of it at least. It has low enough noise for me, even at high ISO (and i can photoshop if I absolutely need it) and I have plenty of good lenses that will keep me happy
In regards to the 3rd gen cameras... they're promising but I'm not convinced they will ever replace DSLRs. If anything, I'd say they'd replace the Point and Shoots or will simply form a third market segment between the P&S and SLRs. But they're not bad cameras at all, esp the Panasonic, Sony, and Samsung offerings (the new nikons look nice too!)... i just wish they had faster lenses. If they did, i'd seriously consider switching my DSLR or just buying it to go alongside what i have now.
D4 is a cool camera but I have no need to buy one.
I'm very happy with my D700 and think I can get several more years out of it at least. It has low enough noise for me, even at high ISO (and i can photoshop if I absolutely need it) and I have plenty of good lenses that will keep me happy
In regards to the 3rd gen cameras... they're promising but I'm not convinced they will ever replace DSLRs. If anything, I'd say they'd replace the Point and Shoots or will simply form a third market segment between the P&S and SLRs. But they're not bad cameras at all, esp the Panasonic, Sony, and Samsung offerings (the new nikons look nice too!)... i just wish they had faster lenses. If they did, i'd seriously consider switching my DSLR or just buying it to go alongside what i have now.
M4/3 and Sony's NEX format either have faster 1st party lenses or can be adapted to work wonderfully with a multitude of 3rd party lenses including cheap fast legacy glass. So your wish has came true.
Perhaps I should have been a little more clearer and wrote that I wanted a better/bigger selection of fast lenses. While I'm aware of the pancake prime lenses, I would prefer something more like the 24-70mm f/2.8 and the 80-200mm f/2.8 lenses I currently use with my D700.
Yes an adaptor could work, but I would think it would feel really weird in terms of balance and I would have to worry about the crop factor as well.
I'm waiting on the D800. If same sensor, smaller body, then I'm happy with that. Don't care much for the video recording (yet?).
Quite frankly I'm unimpressed with the specs of the D4. It doesn't seem to make a whole lot of improvements for the price they are asking, especially in today's market
Looking at some preview images, it seems the noise at high ISO settings is reduced, so that even ISO12,800 is dependable.
But at US$6000 (probably more like AUD$8500 by the time it lands here, with inflated AU prices, I think I can wait.
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