So what exactly makes these not "Pro"?

Discussion in 'MacBook Pro' started by xWhiplash, Nov 6, 2016.

  1. xWhiplash macrumors 68000

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    I do a lot of WORK on my 2013 rMBP from video editing, audio creation, and programming. I am also able to do a lot of work on an iMac with 8GB of RAM. Are these tasks not even possible to do on the new systems? Does Final Cut, Logic, and Xcode just fail to run at all? What makes these not Pro machines like everyone is saying? I can't even write one line of code? I can't even edit a 720p video? I can't even produce a 5 second audio clip?
     
  2. wksj macrumors member

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    You can do those on a 5+ year old machine too. Maybe you are not Pro?
     
  3. xWhiplash thread starter macrumors 68000

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    How does that make me not a pro?
     
  4. mtneer macrumors 68030

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    Not all "Pro"s crunch 4K videos and massive PS files all day. A lawyer, an author, actually anyone who uses their MBP as a significant part of generating their livelihood is a "Pro" user. Apple just caters to the needs to the vast majority of those, clipping out the top end who want smashing spec's and the bottom end who wants something for cheap.
     
  5. wksj macrumors member

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    People who are using their laptops for "Pro" purposes do more than write just one line of code, edit 720p videos (720p in 2016???), or produce a 5 second clip.
     
  6. xWhiplash thread starter macrumors 68000

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    And that is my point. How am I any less of a "Pro" user if I don't work on 4K videos?

    wksj: Yes, 720p videos are still VERY VERY popular for online streaming training sessions. Not everyone has fast bandwidth for even 1080p content.

    And what I listed was an example, ever heard of one?
     
  7. wksj macrumors member

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    A lawyer or an author does not need a Pro machine. They would most likely be okay with a quality keyboard, mouse/trackpad and a low-end computer.
     
  8. xWhiplash thread starter macrumors 68000

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    I can't produce 8 hour videos on a low end computer.....
     
  9. mtneer macrumors 68030

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    Then such a machine is a "Pro" machine. A lawyer is a professional too. I just don't understand why only media types consider themselves as "Professional". There are plenty others who use computers for significant parts of their livelihood. Maybe that is why Apple has focused on providing Retina screens with thin and light laptops, cutting out top end graphics, memory and CPU's only needed by an insignificant few.
     
  10. xWhiplash thread starter macrumors 68000

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    I guess not! I guess people here consider even gamers "professional" over lawyers or video training producers. Yeah, so why do I need to make my video training videos 4K exactly?
     
  11. Zenithal macrumors 603

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    Why would an author need a MBP when the majority of their work could be done on an Air? I get the bit about lawyers as I know many who require the grunt of a MBP or similar Windows machine to get their work done while going over dozens of large PDFs. But an author simply needs a word processor, a timeline app and maybe internet access. Oh, and music.
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    Only the ones who get six figure cash sponsorship plus free goodies.
     
  12. vipergts2207 macrumors 68000

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    Seems like this thread is just bait to lure in and argue with people unhappy with the new MBP's specs.
     
  13. aristobrat macrumors G5

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    The screen on the Pro blows away the screen on the Air. Seems like that'd be important to an author (since they'd be staring at it a lot)!
     
  14. xWhiplash thread starter macrumors 68000

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    I am just very curious how I am no longer classified as a pro user. Do I need to make my videos for 4K to be considered a professional? What is the benefit of having training videos at 4K resolution? Don't you dare tell me I am not a professional. I find everyone here insulting stating that we are not really professionals.
     
  15. frankgrimes macrumors 6502a

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    It's just a troll bait thread. The OP goes out of his way in other threads to defend anything about the 2016 MBP like there's nothing more important than that
     
  16. BenTrovato macrumors 68030

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    As soon as people stop defining the word "pro" then the happier we will be.
     
  17. xWhiplash thread starter macrumors 68000

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    Every single god damn thread lately has MANY MANY people stating that these aren't "Pro" machines or "real pros" don't get these. How is asking a question a troll bait? I am truly shocked how insulting and offensive people are being. How dare you people go around and tell us we are not professionals. What EXACTLY makes these not Pro machines?
     
  18. Zenithal macrumors 603

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    Again, I ask for what purpose? Black text on white background, a timeline app and possibly an app that holds their notes and image or audio clips that were taken for research purposes. They're not exactly running multiple Virtual Machines or digital instruments like music or software development professionals.
     
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    Find me a post where I did call anyone anything? I don't know you, you don't know me and that's fine!

    Also you really should start reading what people are actually saying, instead of creating a thread like this. For a so called Pro(fessional) machine there are limitations that shouldn't be there. Professional video editors would benefit heavily from 32 GB more RAM in the future, carrying around a dongle/hub can be a major pain in the ass if you have to carry around a lot of stuff (like students who may not be Pros but still benefit from great reliable screens), the keyboard is from the retina macbook so that means people that have to type a lot of essays or go through tons of PDFs and take notes will get tired of typing quickly because it doesn't have enough travel and like many people mentioned over and over again the radeon 460 is an average gpu and I'm sure some people could need more than that.

    So you can either accept that different people have different needs and not everyone is fine questionable choices
     
  20. xWhiplash thread starter macrumors 68000

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    Right there, right ******* there! Different people have different needs. You said it yourself. Don't go around generalizing that these are not Pro machines.

    Radeon 460 is not meant for gaming it is a Workstation class card. Just like a Quadro is considered an average card, but it kicks ass in PROFESSIONAL work. It takes a $5,000 Quadro to compete with a $1,000 Titan in gaming.

    People also need to understand how programs utilize memory. If I have 128GB of RAM on my system, Adobe After Effects uses 124GB of it. So we need laptops with 128GB of RAM at least. That is what you guys are saying?
     
  21. T5BRICK macrumors G3

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    Exactly. "Pro" at this point is just a marketing term. There are many laptops out there for a professional of any kind to choose from. Some are more suitable for certain tasks than other are.
     
  22. vipergts2207 macrumors 68000

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    Any professional, be it a doctor, lawyer, executive or any other thing absolutely could use these for their professional work. They could also probably use any other Mac as well. Seems to me that usually when people complain about this machine not being 'Pro' or people not being 'professionals', that it's referring more specifically to professionals doing computationally intensive work. The above mentioned examples can do professional work without needing 'professional-grade' hardware.
     
  23. mtneer macrumors 68030

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    If Apple had called the machine the MacBook "PhotoPro" or "MediaPro", then I think the disappointment is totally valid. However, it is a MacBook "Pro", and if that satisfies a large number of professionals not in any media related industry, then that the machine is good for the market Apple wants to chase. The "Pro" is Apple's choice in branding, they can choose what kind of professionals they want to cater to. (Not saying anything they do is right or wrong...)
     
  24. xWhiplash thread starter macrumors 68000

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    I agree. People suddenly complaining should have just left LONG AGO. "Media Pro" like Pixar needs Quadro specs. These have never existed in an Apple laptop.
     
  25. Count Blah macrumors 68040

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    It's not that you are NOT a pro. But an Air would have sufficed for you. The Pro is overkill.
     

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