So what exactly makes these not "Pro"?

[ZeuSGoKiL]

I agree. People suddenly complaining should have just left LONG AGO. "Media Pro" like Pixar needs Quadro specs. These have never existed in an Apple laptop.

People complains because they do care about Apple products. And they are giving what the majority visioned it to be in the new flagship line of MBP. Its the specifications underneath the hood of MBP that is very disappointing. With that kind of price people expecting a higher range of specs so that the MBP can at least with stand another 2 to 3 years..

Well providing Apple took a long number of years to upgrade MBP if any .

 

[Ethosik]

It's not that you are NOT a pro. But an Air would have sufficed for you. The Pro is overkill.

Really, an Air will let me produce 8 hour videos without any issues and in a timely manner ?
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People complains because they do care about Apple products. And they are giving what the majority visioned it to be in the new flagship line of MBP. Its the specifications underneath the hood of MBP that is very disappointing. With that kind of price people expecting a higher range of specs so that the MBP can at least with stand another 2 to 3 years..

Well providing Apple took a long number of years to upgrade MBP if any .

That is on Intel. And don't say they could have updated to Skylake a year ago. Remember what happened with the Surface Book?

 

[Count Blah]

Really, an Air will let me produce 8 hour videos without any issues and in a timely manner ?

You went from 5 second videos to 8 hours.

Get your story straight.

 

[Ethosik]

You went from 5 second videos to 8 hours.

Get your story straight.

5 second audio clips. You get your facts straight. They are sound effects mostly. They are 5 seconds but have a lot of effects applied to them.

And just like my 720p videos have a lot of scenes with particles and stuff going on from After Effects. Resolution and time does not mean anything when you are dealing with A LOT of Effects applied.

 

[vipergts2207]

5 second audio clips. You get your facts straight. They are sound effects mostly. They are 5 seconds but have a lot of effects applied to them.

And just like my 720p videos have a lot of scenes with particles and stuff going on from After Effects. Resolution and time does not mean anything when you are dealing with A LOT of Effects applied.

Your arguments here actually sound fairly akin to the arguments of people saying the MBP isn't powerful enough for them. Kind of ironic.

 

[Ethosik]

Your arguments here actually sound fairly akin to the arguments of people saying the MBP isn't powerful enough for them. Kind of ironic.

Yet I am able to get my work done on my 2013 rMBP. My desktop IS faster at doing these things but that should be obvious. Funnily enough, my 2013 rMBP is faster in some areas than my 2010 Mac Pro.

I don't think people fully understand how a lot of Pro software utilizes memory. I can throw 128GB of RAM at After Effects and it will use 124 of it.

 

[richpjr]

I do a lot of WORK on my 2013 rMBP from video editing, audio creation, and programming. I am also able to do a lot of work on an iMac with 8GB of RAM. Are these tasks not even possible to do on the new systems? Does Final Cut, Logic, and Xcode just fail to run at all? What makes these not Pro machines like everyone is saying? I can't even write one line of code? I can't even edit a 720p video? I can't even produce a 5 second audio clip?

If the specs on the new MBP work for you, than you have no issues. Others have different needs. Run a lot of VMs, use large music sample libraries, edit some large 4K files and 16 GB is not enough. For those, it's not pro enough.

 

[vipergts2207]

Yet I am able to get my work done on my 2013 rMBP. My desktop IS faster at doing these things but that should be obvious. Funnily enough, my 2013 rMBP is faster in some areas than my 2010 Mac Pro.

I don't think people fully understand how a lot of Pro software utilizes memory. I can throw 128GB of RAM at After Effects and it will use 124 of it.

Just pointing it out so that perhaps you can empathize with those people who may be heavily invested in Apple's ecosystem but may not have a great choice of computer to buy to remain in that ecosystem.

 

[Ethosik]

Just pointing it out so that perhaps you can empathize with those people who may be heavily invested in Apple's ecosystem but may not have a great choice of computer to buy to remain in that ecosystem.

If they truly need THAT MUCH power, get something else. Why spend all day on here complaining about it? I am still able to do all of the things I currently do with the 2016 models. That is the issue here. My memory pressure is not red, I am able to use 16GB just fine. These are still a Pro computers.

 

[richpjr]

If they truly need THAT MUCH power, get something else. Why spend all day on here complaining about it? I am still able to do all of the things I currently do with the 2016 models. That is the issue here. My memory pressure is not red, I am able to use 16GB just fine. These are still a Pro computers.

It's a public forum for people to post things they like and don't like about Apple products. Why spend time complaining about people complaining? The real issue is your needs are not the same as everyone else. For most people, the computer will work fine. For others it won't. Not a hard concept, yet it surely seems to bother some people a lot.

 

[Ethosik]

It's a public forum for people to post things they like and don't like about Apple products. Why spend time complaining about people complaining? The real issue is your needs are not the same as everyone else. For most people, the computer will work fine. For others it won't. Not a hard concept, yet it surely seems to bother some people a lot.

Then people shouldn't go around stating these are not Pro machines or real professionals would not buy these things. Everybody on these forums need to chill the **** out. THEY need to realize that other professionals have different needs instead of insulting or offending people.

 

[richpjr]

Then people shouldn't go around stating these are not Pro machines or real professionals would not buy these things. Everybody on these forums need to chill the **** out. THEY need to realize that other professionals have different needs instead of insulting or offending people.

The same thing works both ways - why does it bother you so much that they need more horsepower than you do?

If you are offended by what anonymous people post on forums because they have different opinions than you do, than you should spend less time on forums!

 

[Ethosik]

The same thing works both ways - why does it bother you so much that they need more horsepower than you do?

If you are offended by what anonymous people post on forums because they have different opinions than you do, than you should spend less time on forums!

This used to be a nice place to visit and chat with others. Not so much anymore with all the hate every other post.

 

[jeremiah256]

This used to be a nice place to visit and chat with others. Not so much anymore with all the hate every other post.

There are still plenty of threads with people asking for advice and for whom Apple provides 220% of their needs. Just avoid the threads that would bum you out.

 

[Altis]

Then people shouldn't go around stating these are not Pro machines or real professionals would not buy these things. Everybody on these forums need to chill the **** out. THEY need to realize that other professionals have different needs instead of insulting or offending people.

The difference is that the people who don't need more power can buy any other Mac... the retina MacBook, the Air, any model of Pro, and possibly any MacBook dating back several years.

If someone needs more capability, though, what other option do they have?

And that's their complaint. The latest $4000 MacBook "Pro" should do as much as possibly for as many as possible.

The "Pro" isn't specific to a job... you can be a "pro" blogger that uses a 2006 MacBook Pro running XP from a dumpster dive. Most people would agree that selling it new today as a "Pro" machine as their top-spec flagship wouldn't be satisfactory.

 

[rasputin1969]

At this point "pro" is mostly a marketing term, however I think one thing we can all agree on is that, for a "pro" user - time is money. If you're happy encoding an eight hour video in, say, three hours than good for you, but for quite a lot of other "pro" users they'd rather do it twice as fast, or process two files simultaniously, and have a thicker machine.

If your time isn't that constrained, or important, than obviously your milage may vary.

 

[vpro]

They offer many levels of pro, just wait for the second half of the mid generation updates for 2017 when more peripherals are ready out there to catch up.

 

[myscrnnm]

It's telling that even when posed directly with this question, no one has been able to tell OP why the 2016 MacBook Pro is not a computer for "professionals."

And of course it's all marketing. Has everyone forgotten that before the "MacBook Pro" moniker, the direct PowerPC predecessor was called the "PowerBook?" The PowerBook G4 was in many ways the same computer as the first generation MacBook Pro, but running on a different CPU architecture. Apple is in no way implying that this is the definitive computer for professionals. Professionals also come in many forms; the "Pro" designation serves only to differentiate it from the more consumer-oriented MacBook models.

 

[kinster]

Then such a machine is a "Pro" machine. A lawyer is a professional too. I just don't understand why only media types consider themselves as "Professional". There are plenty others who use computers for significant parts of their livelihood. Maybe that is why Apple has focused on providing Retina screens with thin and light laptops, cutting out top end graphics, memory and CPU's only needed by an insignificant few.

A lawyer is a professional, but does not need a Pro machine. The name isn't a a like for like match for professions.

A Pro sportsman does not require a MBP. These so-called machines are for people who need a little bit more power than the other (lower-end) machines.

 

[WolfSnap]

I'm so sick of reading about "Pro" users. I am a REALTOR® and am definitely a Professional -- or "Pro" in Apple parlance. I'm also, from a previous life, a network engineer/system administrator. I am literally the type of person who will push the heck out of a machine and find its limits. Sure, I don't do video/audio work, but, I need to work in Photoshop, use beefy CRMs, manage files and documents, and ensure that my computing world is working 100% of the time.

Apple MacBook Pro's let me keep working. From home, at the office, at a Starbucks with a client who's buying their first, second, or 20th home. If I can't write a deal and get it presented, I lose a commission. My commissions can be $15,000+. That's on one deal. I don't just do one deal a month either.... I need a computer that has 0 viruses, 0 hiccups. Windows is a piece of cr@p -- it just doesn't give me the battery life I get in the MBP, and it doesn't "just work".

Frankly, Apple could double the price -- and I'd still pay it. Few hundred in dongles? Don't care. All I care is that I can make sure that my deals get done, my marketing gets made, my text messaging/iMessages get delivered, and *EVERYTHING* is synced between all my devices.

As far as I'm concerned, the MBP is Pro enough for me. QED.

 

[ilian92]

The "Pro" thing is so overblown. Call a machine "Pro" and to some this means not only that it should rival a NASA supercomputer, but that you're only allowed to use/talk about one if your work requires a NASA supercomputer.

On another note, a €4,000 laptop (mind you, doesn't get anywhere near that without the storage upgrades, and that's just how much SSDs of that calibre cost), should have significantly more power to cater to those who need it. Ideally this thin/light/pretty-powerful-but-not-quite-bleeding-edge is supported by a slightly thicker, more powerful and overall more capable MacBook so that it's a viable easy-to-move solution for more power hungry tasks.

I can confidently say that for 85% of programmers/video editors/designers a top of the line 15'' MacBook Pro would do the job perfectly fine. It's a shame that the other 15% don't have a mobile option to deliver a bit more, but at the same time doesn't mean this computer is crap/shouldn't be called "Pro". And it's just a name anyway...

 

[kasakka]

I'm so sick of reading about "Pro" users. I am a REALTOR® and am definitely a Professional -- or "Pro" in Apple parlance. I'm also, from a previous life, a network engineer/system administrator. I am literally the type of person who will push the heck out of a machine and find its limits. Sure, I don't do video/audio work, but, I need to work in Photoshop, use beefy CRMs, manage files and documents, and ensure that my computing world is working 100% of the time.

You could easily get by with a lot less than the top end MBPs. Hell, you might be exactly the "pro" user that Apple intended. You don't have to run several virtual machines that consume lots of RAM and CPU time or have to operate on a complex 3D model with millions of polygons on screen on the go. It's those groups that Apple doesn't cater to with limitations of 16 GB RAM and a discrete GPU that in its base configuration has insultingly low amounts of memory and even the top end one is still a lot slower than many of Nvidias current mobile GPUs you find in laptops much cheaper than Apple's offerings.

 

[WolfSnap]

You could easily get by with a lot less than the top end MBPs. Hell, you might be exactly the "pro" user that Apple intended. You don't have to run several virtual machines that consume lots of RAM and CPU time or have to operate on a complex 3D model with millions of polygons on screen on the go. It's those groups that Apple doesn't cater to with limitations of 16 GB RAM and a discrete GPU that in its base configuration has insultingly low amounts of memory and even the top end one is still a lot slower than many of Nvidias current mobile GPUs you find in laptops much cheaper than Apple's offerings.

It's a LAPTOP! Not a desktop. If you're an engineer who needs millions of polygons, buy an iMac or Mac Pro.

Seriously, buy what's appropriate for your business. Not just what you want to use.

And, for the record, I use Parallels often enough on my 2013 rMBP. No issues with 16gb of ram.

Do you also complain that the base model car you buy can't keep haul as much lumber as a more expensive/larger truck?

 

[MRU]

Seriously though, what does it matter what other people think ?

Whether your a pro user or not (that 'pro' word has little meaning in of itself anyway) and the 13" MBP fits your needs, then buy it and use it and enjoy it.

If you have to justify all your purchasing decisions to the random pretentious committees of forum users (many with too much time on their hands, chips on shoulders and a lot of hate to share), then sadly you are in for a long boring frustrating journey.

Just remember the old adage "a poor mechanic blames his tools ...."

Buy the computer than suits your needs, and to hell with what anyone else thinks. Until those people are paying your bills, they have no say in your purchase; whether you consider yourself a pro or not, whether the machine has a 'pro' moniker or not, its neither here or there.

 

[Meicyn]

All I know is, I bought my Macbook Air for schoolwork, browsing, etc. Now I do music and video production, and the poor thing struggles to complete these tasks. The MBP is going to be one hell of an upgrade for me.