So what if...

iMax

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I know that almost all of us are expecting a lot out of this next expo. I mean, we're hoping for a G5, if not a G4 that kicks some serious @$$, because apple needs to get it up to speed. Also, newer faster powerbooks, rackmount stuff, new digital device, price drops, etc...
What I'm asking is, what if all we get are some modest speed increases, like TiBook 667-800 mhz and an 80 GB drive, and G4's at 867mhz, 1ghz and 1.2 ghz? And that's all? What if almost none of the stuff we're dreaming about here is in the works, and apple is going to keep falling farther behind?

I mean, trust me, I am an apple user until I can't use them anymore, but I want the company to really fly... And I'm getting worried. What happens to Apple if this expo falls far under eveyone's expectations?
 

bonehead

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If that happens then you will see a lot of angry posts about Apple falling behind. The company will keep developing at its own pace and we will all be slobbering over what might appear at the next expo. One thing that won't happen is Apple going out of business any time soon. They have a ton of cash and high profit margins. Not to mention they have folks like us who can't wait to buy their stuff. Is there anyone who frequents these boards that won't buy a G5 when they finally become available?
 

Ensign Paris

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If all apple releases is a TiBook 667-800 mhz and an 80 GB drive, and G4's at 867mhz, 1ghz and 1.2 ghz I would be happy. not estatic, but I would also not slag them off.

Ensign
 

3rdpath

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Originally posted by Ensign Paris
If all apple releases is a TiBook 667-800 mhz and an 80 GB drive, and G4's at 867mhz, 1ghz and 1.2 ghz I would be happy. not estatic, but I would also not slag them off.

Ensign
if all we get is a modest speed bump for the g4 without any newer technology, i'm gonna being EXCEEDINGLY P-O'D. i'll buy a marked-down dual 1ghz and check back with apple in about 3 years....but i really think we're gonna see something big soon.

there's a larger picture they're putting together.
 

arn

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Re: So what if...

Originally posted by iMax
I mean, trust me, I am an apple user until I can't use them anymore, but I want the company to really fly... And I'm getting worried. What happens to Apple if this expo falls far under eveyone's expectations?
You just described MacWorld Expo NY 2001. :)

Seriously... you have to take rumor sites and rumors with a grain of salt... there is tons of speculation and rumor talk that go on for months... during the days before a MacWorld... it's insanity.

We try to sort through it all, and provide a realistic roundup prior to expos based on best evidence and common sense.

I personally would not expect a G5 at MWNY.

arn
 

Mr. Anderson

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What if...

The are no guarentees, so expect the worse and be happy when its better. No matter what happens, someone will complain about what they wanted and didn't get. When it all gets said and done, we really don't have much of a choice but to accept what Apple gives us.
 

AlphaTech

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I have a question for you... where are you going to find an 80GB drive that fits into a laptop??? After all, you did say "TiBook 667-800 mhz and an 80 GB drive". The largest laptop drive is IBM's 60GB TravelStar drive.
 

freedom

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Hey!

What about MWSF?
Wasn´t the new iMac a breaking release?
I think that all of us in the Mac-community can
be a tiny bit spoiled sometimes…
There can´t be major upgrades every
conferece/expo.
Don´t get me wrong, I like upgrades
and especially new models get me excited,
but as mentioned, it wouldn´t be as funny
with upgrades if they came too often…?
(Not to mention upgrading your own gear
to discover that they´re releasing a new
model within three months…)
 

mac15

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Re: Hey!

Originally posted by freedom
What about MWSF?
Wasn´t the new iMac a breaking release?
yeah everyone seems to forget that
How fast to we need computers
I read in another thread that 1.6ghz P4s were considered slow
thats a lie
they are fast enough for the average home user
 

groovebuster

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Re: Hey!

Originally posted by freedom
What about MWSF?
Wasn´t the new iMac a breaking release?
I think that all of us in the Mac-community can
be a tiny bit spoiled sometimes…
There can´t be major upgrades every
conferece/expo.
Don´t get me wrong, I like upgrades
and especially new models get me excited,
but as mentioned, it wouldn´t be as funny
with upgrades if they came too often…?
(Not to mention upgrading your own gear
to discover that they´re releasing a new
model within three months…)
They never upgraded too often in the past anyway, and I think that is good! But if they upgrade, it should be always really noticeable. The last speed bumps for the Towers were more kind of a joke. Processor speed increased just a few % since the introduction of the Quicksilvers a year ago. I don't see any reason why I should buy a new mac, when they don't come with a machine that is significantly faster than the current ones, and I guess I am not alone with that opinion. And Apple is dependant on their hardware sales, that's what makes cash for them.

And how fast the G5 really will be... nobody knows, but it's not that Intel and AMD will be sleeping in the meantime doing nothing.

groovebuster
 

iGav

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So what if...

I'm gonna batton down the hatches.......:p






I think MWNY we'll only get moderate increases in the Pro line (Powermacs and TiBooks)...... also OSX.2

No G5 til MWSF 03,.............

And I think people will be disapointed..... although it won't bother me too much as I'm not inline to get a new mac until next Feb.... (new mac every 24 months).......:D
 

sjs

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There are probably three posible scenarios for NY:

1. Just a bump on PowerMacs to 1.2 ghz. If that's all, you should be ticked, as it represents too little improvement.

2. A bump to 1.4 ghz plus DDR. That's probably what we will get, and it represents a tremendous improvement over where PowerMacs were one year earlier.

3. G5 plus DDR and etc. All of a sudden, there is no more "gap".
Probably MWSF 03.

I agree that there is a "plan" and when it all comes together in the next 8 to 18 months it will be a stunning achievement.

*G5's and DDR, etc.
*matured OSX 1.2+
*Digital Hub iApps and future new devices.

About that same time, in my hopes and dreams, there will really be only two companies with any "buzz" in the market place: Apple and Sony. Other companies like Dell and HP will still sell millions, but strictly as commodity items to price shoppers.
 

Mr. Anderson

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Re: Hey!

Originally posted by freedom
What about MWSF?
Wasn´t the new iMac a breaking release?
You haven't been reading much on the boards lately. Its not a matter about the consumer level machines as about getting a NEW Pro machine. The current G4s are outdated - CPUs/RAM/System Bus, etc.

Even though the new LCD iMac is 'cool', it doesn't suit me for what I and many others are looking for.

I've mentioned it before and others have agreed - I won't be truly happy with a new computer until I can do realtime radiosity rendering for a 3D animation. I also know full well that I'll probably be waiting 10 years for that day.;)

So I'll be joining the rant band wagon as it passes down my street.....
 

iGav

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Nice call dukestreet

MWNY needs to focus on the Pro line, I think after MWSF was a overhaul of the consumer line, then it's only right that the Pro line gets the updates they deserve!!

I'm with you on the realtime element though...... I remember reading on Macrumours ages and ages ago... people saying that the current macs are fast enough and do we really need xGhz etc etc!! :rolleyes:

Computers will never be fast enough until when you ask it to do something it does it...... no render bars ever again!!..... whether it be realtime radiosity rendering, or 400 layer compositing, as soon as you click the OK button... it does it....... no render bars......

Then and only then will computers be fast enough......:D

The G5 will just take us one step closer... that's all!!!:D
 

Mr. Anderson

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Re: Nice call dukestreet

Originally posted by iGAV
Computers will never be fast enough until when you ask it to do something it does it...... no render bars ever again!!..... whether it be realtime radiosity rendering, or 400 layer compositing, as soon as you click the OK button... it does it....... no render bars......

Then and only then will computers be fast enough......:D

The G5 will just take us one step closer... that's all!!!:D
Welcome to the rant wagon! Please step to the rear, keg's in the back....

Honestly, the G5, if half of its rumored performance capabilities are true, will more than please me. I render some things now that take several days to complete! If I didn't have another computer I would be out of luck and waste more time doing all the other things that I'm working on, only rendering at night.

Just the though of being able to run something overnight and have it ready in the morning is exciting.:D
 

mcrain

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Strangely enough, the main advantage of updating computer lines isn't the repeat customers, of which there are many. The main advantage to updating your computer lines is that consumers (like me) who were looking at a product, are more likely to purchase when that model is recently updated.

Take me for an example. I've been looking at TiBooks no since about October or November of last year. In that entire time, the main updates to the line have been airport related. I think I missed the 667 speed bump.

Anyway, I'm pretty much ready to purchase something, and I've decided that Apple makes a better product, however, I'm not going to buy a laptop that isn't "new." I'd prefer to wait until there is some sort of update so I don't feel like I've gotten ripped off paying for top of the line when in a few weeks it's no longer top of the line and thus less expensive. Furthermore, I'd rather have either a less expensive great machine or the top of the line machine (with some comfort that it is going to be top of the line for a while).

Basically, I'm on the fencepost waiting for something to encourage me to purchase.

I'm sure there are lots of macusers out there who hope, want, need more computer, and are also waiting for updates, but you guys are unlikely to cross over and purchase a PC.

People like me, on the other hand, can't afford to wait too long. If HP or Dell or Compaq or IBM or someone else came out with a fantastic (at least on paper) new computer while nothing happened with the Apple, a lot of people will likely purchase the PC.

I would guess, without any marketing research, that that is partially why PC's have such a large market share. More regular updates feed into consumer desires, and push people to buy more often than Apple's more stately pace of innovation.

Anyway, that's my take.
 

jelloshotsrule

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it'd be a let down for sure. i am not in line to get a new computer any time soon, but it's always good to see the progress so i know that in a few years when it IS time, the technology will be that much more ahead of what it is now...

also, i think my brother is planning to get a comp, so i could always jump in on his just for kicks. ha
 

iGav

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hey dukestreet

Welcome to the rant wagon! Please step to the rear, keg's in the back....
The moonshine is just fine..... watch u'r driving' now ya hear!! :p

I think the G5 will be something pretty special..... especially if everything pans out the way we hope.... in a way I do hope it is released at MWNY as the Rev B's will be released around MWSF when I'm due to upgrade my mac..... my next purchase isn't going to be Rev A, I want any problems ironed out on the G5 before I part with my wedge!!:D

As for rendering, I used to have access to After Effects on a G4 with an ICE card.....(6x Processors) the rendering was severely smarting on ICE effects..... those were days..... :D

A similar card on a G5.......... = WHOOSH!!! :p
 

AlphaTech

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Originally posted by mcrain
What if the G5 only maxes out at about 500 Mgz???
Not gonna happen... I believe that the original offerings of the G5 are slated to be at over 1GHz (1.3GHz?) with speeds projected up to the area of 3GHz+.

Who knows what will actually come out with the release and where it will stop.
 

mcrain

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Originally posted by AlphaTech
I believe that the original offerings of the G5 are slated to be at over 1GHz (1.3GHz?) with speeds projected up to the area of 3GHz+.
Do you have a link to a moto site or information on the plans for thew new chip? Or is that conjecture? If you have a link, I'd appreciate it.
 

AlphaTech

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