So whats the PPC community's two cents on the new announcements?

[sanfrancisofont1984]

And the lack of native ARM applications (even Office is emulated AFAIK) makes that a deal breaker. x86-64 applications don't run either yet.

Now more essential than ever — the role of the Windows PC has changed

This year brought an incredible amount of change to people’s lives. The way each of us is working, learning, creating, even how we’re connecting has changed. Many of you have turned to Windows PCs as an essential tool in these times, driving Wind

blogs.windows.com

"We will also expand support for running x64 apps, with x64 emulation starting to roll out to the Windows Insider Program in November."

What interests me right now is running PC games released before 2010. There is no built in OpenGL beyond 1.1. Not sure about older DirectX versions (8 or earlier) either.

 

[Amethyst1]

I did, but their support told me in no uncertain terms that it's an NVME drive and will absolutely not work on 10.12 and below.

The "Late 2013" retina MBPs shipped with 1 TB SSDs which are AHCI drives (since they ran on Mavericks). If these also fit a 2014 11" MBA, that's your ticket.

And there's the Transcend JetDrive 820/825 which is AHCI and comes in a 960 GB model. They list it as compatible with the 2013/2014 MBA11".

JetDrive 820 | SSD Upgrade Kits for Mac - Transcend Information, Inc.

Transcend's JetDrive 850 SSD utilizes the PCIe Gen3 x2 interface, resulting in compelling performance of up to 950MB/s read, instantly revitalizing your MacBook.

us.transcend-info.com

 

[Amethyst1]

"We will also expand support for running x64 apps, with x64 emulation starting to roll out to the Windows Insider Program in November."

I don't care if it's in beta right now. My point is: It's not been released yet.

 

[iluvmacs99]

Citation needed.

You can go to the website "RethinkX" and download the whole "humanity book" which has amazing research data and future predictions. Right now we are on the chart which is known as the "Rupture Point". A lot of social unrest and populism and a lot of protectionist idealism caused a lot of disorganization and leaderless actions. This wasn't the first Rupture Point though. In the early 1920s, we went through a similar rupture point and then we chose a higher path which had led us to today. We are in the precipice to again choose the next Rupture Point. Do we sink into the dark ages and languish for a 100 years or else we embrace new technology and innovations and organize our efforts together to grow upwards and onwards? That's the choice the population has to make as they had always made from centuries to centuries.

The Future of Humanity | RethinkX

Join RethinkX on the forefront of humanity's transformation towards a sustainable future. Explore insights and predictions for a world of prosperity.

www.rethinkx.com

 

[sanfrancisofont1984]

I don't care if it's in beta right now. My point is: It's not been released yet.

Well sure. I would not recommend Windows on ARM to a random person yet. For someone buys/uses PPC Mac while speaking positively about Windows it seems like a cool toy to have though.

 

[B S Magnet]

You can go to the website "RethinkX" and download the whole "humanity book" which has amazing research data and future predictions. Right now we are on the chart which is known as the "Rupture Point". A lot of social unrest and populism and a lot of protectionist idealism caused a lot of disorganization and leaderless actions. This wasn't the first Rupture Point though. In the early 1920s, we went through a similar rupture point and then we chose a higher path which had led us to today. We are in the precipice to again choose the next Rupture Point. Do we sink into the dark ages and languish for a 100 years or else we embrace new technology and innovations and organize our efforts together to grow upwards and onwards? That's the choice the population has to make as they had always made from centuries to centuries.

The Future of Humanity | RethinkX

Join RethinkX on the forefront of humanity's transformation towards a sustainable future. Explore insights and predictions for a world of prosperity.

www.rethinkx.com

Curious. This entire time I was discussing the imperative for stronger consumer protection, stronger public regulation over the tech (namely, Apple) sector implementing consumer-hostile platforms, and as needed, anti-trust action on behalf of the public interest — not a wholesale halting of the subjective concept of “progress” (whose progress?, to what end? and so on).

Whilst the above is a worthwhile hypothesis for another topic elsewhere and one where we can all discuss “civilizations” (note: there isn’t solely one in 2020, no matter how folks wish to play that reductive card), I am straining to connect the relationship between the necessity for stronger consumer protection from the largely unregulated tech sector and, uh, the rupture/breaking point of (a) “civilization”. Help me with those dots, if you could? Thanks.

[Also, since you mentioned it: in the early 1920s, the interwar period, folks widely followed a much lower path with respect to their relationship with technology (e.g., the “science” of eugenics, the proliferation of chemical weaponry, the systemization of genocide with manufacturing tech, open-stream manufacturing and waste, using marginalized populations to conduct medical “experiments”, the invention of planned obsolescence, the feasibility of nuclear weaponry, and so on). Consequently, this necessitated a forceful, but still reactive response at a multi-state level to slow down this path (it couldn’t halt the path or “put the genie back into the bottle”). The evidentiary outcome (that is, the result, the products) of that path was rapidly seen as unfathomable and abhorrent. Even so, even after a giant war, many of these practices continued onward with a more sotto voce tone, some to this very day.]

 

[repairedCheese]

https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...y-other-mac-in-single-core-benchmark.2268575/

Without a doubt, it's certainly fascinating to see how it all plays out. It's entirely possible that the coming Mac hardware will be as good as they promise, but I for one still wouldn't want one, simply because there's absolutely no way to upgrade the hardware, and I can't imagine repairs are going to be on the table. Given the mess with the iPhone 12, I can't imagine the M1 Macs will be any easier to swap parts with.

And even if that's not how it shakes out for now, I don't expect it to stay that way for long.

 

[iluvmacs99]

Curious. This entire time I was discussing the imperative for stronger consumer protection, stronger public regulation over the tech (namely, Apple) sector implementing consumer-hostile platforms, and as needed, anti-trust action on behalf of the public interest — not a wholesale halting of the subjective concept of “progress” (whose progress?, to what end? and so on).

Whilst the above is a worthwhile hypothesis for another topic elsewhere and one where we can all discuss “civilizations” (note: there isn’t solely one in 2020, no matter how folks wish to play that reductive card), I am straining to connect the relationship between the necessity for stronger consumer protection from the largely unregulated tech sector and, uh, the rupture/breaking point of (a) “civilization”. Help me with those dots, if you could? Thanks.

[Also, since you mentioned it: in the early 1920s, the interwar period, folks widely followed a much lower path with respect to their relationship with technology (e.g., the “science” of eugenics, the proliferation of chemical weaponry, the systemization of genocide with manufacturing tech, open-stream manufacturing and waste, using marginalized populations to conduct medical “experiments”, the invention of planned obsolescence, the feasibility of nuclear weaponry, and so on). Consequently, this necessitated a forceful, but still reactive response at a multi-state level to slow down this path (it couldn’t halt the path or “put the genie back into the bottle”). The evidentiary outcome (that is, the result, the products) of that path was rapidly seen as unfathomable and abhorrent. Even so, even after a giant war, many of these practices continued onward with a more sotto voce tone, some to this very day.]

To summarize, we are facing the end of the age of extraction. Companies that relied on this extraction process now realized that they are basically trying to extract blood out of a stone. The lack of or shying away for stronger consumer protection demonstrated the lack of innovation and excitement that once generated the enthusiasm that were once the pillars of home computing. And the age of extraction is based on company's making profits, profits, profits for their shareholders rather than the well being of the community it supports. In the age of freedom, it is the community that dictates how the company should behave and make communities not as pawns and ATMs for the companies they serve, but rather serving the entire community and focusing on the well being of consumers. COVID really showcased how blatantly ugly these corporations treat customers. I mean, my money that I paid for an airline ticket and pandemic travel insurance and pooh; overnight they simply took my money without delivering the services because they felt it was their right to keep my money so the companies can survive and that was how they justified the behavior. It is this selfish and self centered behavior, which is prevalent in the age of extraction, but this behavior can only accommodate the wealth of roughly half the population, where the other half is languishing in poverty or felt there were no stronger consumer protection. Basically, the current economy had maxed out its capacity and COVID showcased the eugenics control of the population and most companies exploit this. In the last war, Nazi Germany was an example to the world of superiority and pre-destination and even with that experience, the world generally moved on with the same extraction behavior and a general eugenics approach still that made consumers the ATM machine to corporations rather than treating consumers as human beings with some inalienable rights. Which is why the next age in civilization development will bring that change. Basically, how corporations and governments act are representing the consciousness of the civilization and how civilizations want to be treated. If the civilization want to keep extracting, then the lessons from the 1920, the great war and today's populism would be for nothing. It's like 3 strikes and you're out and we had hit the last strike. It's either we pivot to a new age or else like many great civilizations before us plunge into the next dark age. Personally I know that America is very resilient and hopefully Americans forgive and then pivot into a more egalitarian approach with the age of freedom where consumers are treated as members of the community. We can only wish that desire to pivot. Or else we'll have frequent warfare, famine, uprising and corporations behaving like the fictional OmniCorp in Robocop.

What Apple is doing with the M1 and onwards is basically extracting every last efficiencies it can get from binary computers.

 

[r6mile]

The "Late 2013" retina MBPs shipped with 1 TB SSDs which are AHCI drives (since they ran on Mavericks). If these also fit a 2014 11" MBA, that's your ticket.

And there's the Transcend JetDrive 820/825 which is AHCI and comes in a 960 GB model. They list it as compatible with the 2013/2014 MBA11".

JetDrive 820 | SSD Upgrade Kits for Mac - Transcend Information, Inc.

Transcend's JetDrive 850 SSD utilizes the PCIe Gen3 x2 interface, resulting in compelling performance of up to 950MB/s read, instantly revitalizing your MacBook.

us.transcend-info.com

I have an AHCI SSD in my 2008 Mac Pro and it works fine under El Capitan. The drive itself is pulled from my 2013 Macbook Air which shipped with Mountain Lion. But I have also tried the drive from a 2015 rMBP 13 and works just as well as it's the same technology - this is a good guide to Apple proprietary SSDs https://beetstech.com/blog/apple-proprietary-ssd-ultimate-guide-to-specs-and-upgrades#hdr-15

The AHCI SSD however is not detected in Snow Leopard, which makes sense.

 

[Amethyst1]

The AHCI SSD however is not detected in Snow Leopard, which makes sense.

Not really - AHCI SSDs should work in Leopard and later versions. Tiger unfortunately doesn't like them.

Samsung XP941 M.2 (NGFF) PCIe SSD in a Mac Pro tower

real world speed test results for performance minded Macintosh users

barefeats.com

(OS compat info in footnotes.)

 

[r6mile]

Not really - AHCI SSDs should work in Leopard and later versions. Tiger unfortunately doesn't like them.

Samsung XP941 M.2 (NGFF) PCIe SSD in a Mac Pro tower

real world speed test results for performance minded Macintosh users

barefeats.com

(OS compat info in footnotes.)

So I just tested and I had misremembered and you are of course correct - the AHCI SSD is detected. However, Snow Leopard doesn't see any of my other installs under Startup disk (Mojave, El Capitan, or even Windows 10 - all but Mojave are on regular SATA HDDs). No big deal but very strange! (Sorry didn't mean to derail this thread)

 

[RogerWilco6502]

So I just tested and I had misremembered and you are of course correct - the AHCI SSD is detected. However, Snow Leopard doesn't see any of my other installs under Startup disk (Mojave, El Capitan, or even Windows 10 - all but Mojave are on regular SATA HDDs). No big deal but very strange! (Sorry didn't mean to derail this thread)

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IIRC sometime in between SL and El Cap, they changed how the boot files are handled. When I had SL and El Cap on the same disk on my MacBook, SL wouldn't recognize the El Cap install. I can't speak on Windows 10, but I assume something similar is going on.

 

[B S Magnet]

To summarize, we are facing the end of the age of extraction. Companies that relied on this extraction process now realized that they are basically trying to extract blood out of a stone. The lack of or shying away for stronger consumer protection demonstrated the lack of innovation and excitement that once generated the enthusiasm that were once the pillars of home computing. And the age of extraction is based on company's making profits, profits, profits for their shareholders rather than the well being of the community it supports. In the age of freedom, it is the community that dictates how the company should behave and make communities not as pawns and ATMs for the companies they serve, but rather serving the entire community and focusing on the well being of consumers. COVID really showcased how blatantly ugly these corporations treat customers. I mean, my money that I paid for an airline ticket and pandemic travel insurance and pooh; overnight they simply took my money without delivering the services because they felt it was their right to keep my money so the companies can survive and that was how they justified the behavior. It is this selfish and self centered behavior, which is prevalent in the age of extraction, but this behavior can only accommodate the wealth of roughly half the population, where the other half is languishing in poverty or felt there were no stronger consumer protection. Basically, the current economy had maxed out its capacity and COVID showcased the eugenics control of the population and most companies exploit this. In the last war, Nazi Germany was an example to the world of superiority and pre-destination and even with that experience, the world generally moved on with the same extraction behavior and a general eugenics approach still that made consumers the ATM machine to corporations rather than treating consumers as human beings with some inalienable rights. Which is why the next age in civilization development will bring that change. Basically, how corporations and governments act are representing the consciousness of the civilization and how civilizations want to be treated. If the civilization want to keep extracting, then the lessons from the 1920, the great war and today's populism would be for nothing. It's like 3 strikes and you're out and we had hit the last strike. It's either we pivot to a new age or else like many great civilizations before us plunge into the next dark age. Personally I know that America is very resilient and hopefully Americans forgive and then pivot into a more egalitarian approach with the age of freedom where consumers are treated as members of the community. We can only wish that desire to pivot. Or else we'll have frequent warfare, famine, uprising and corporations behaving like the fictional OmniCorp in Robocop.

What Apple is doing with the M1 and onwards is basically extracting every last efficiencies it can get from binary computers.

Uhm, ok. Go off, then.

 

[1042686]

To summarize, we are facing the end of the age of extraction. Companies that relied on this extraction process now realized that they are basically trying to extract blood out of a stone. The lack of or shying away for stronger consumer protection demonstrated the lack of innovation and excitement that once generated the enthusiasm that were once the pillars of home computing. And the age of extraction is based on company's making profits, profits, profits for their shareholders rather than the well being of the community it supports. In the age of freedom, it is the community that dictates how the company should behave and make communities not as pawns and ATMs for the companies they serve, but rather serving the entire community and focusing on the well being of consumers. COVID really showcased how blatantly ugly these corporations treat customers. I mean, my money that I paid for an airline ticket and pandemic travel insurance and pooh; overnight they simply took my money without delivering the services because they felt it was their right to keep my money so the companies can survive and that was how they justified the behavior. It is this selfish and self centered behavior, which is prevalent in the age of extraction, but this behavior can only accommodate the wealth of roughly half the population, where the other half is languishing in poverty or felt there were no stronger consumer protection. Basically, the current economy had maxed out its capacity and COVID showcased the eugenics control of the population and most companies exploit this. In the last war, Nazi Germany was an example to the world of superiority and pre-destination and even with that experience, the world generally moved on with the same extraction behavior and a general eugenics approach still that made consumers the ATM machine to corporations rather than treating consumers as human beings with some inalienable rights. Which is why the next age in civilization development will bring that change. Basically, how corporations and governments act are representing the consciousness of the civilization and how civilizations want to be treated. If the civilization want to keep extracting, then the lessons from the 1920, the great war and today's populism would be for nothing. It's like 3 strikes and you're out and we had hit the last strike. It's either we pivot to a new age or else like many great civilizations before us plunge into the next dark age. Personally I know that America is very resilient and hopefully Americans forgive and then pivot into a more egalitarian approach with the age of freedom where consumers are treated as members of the community. We can only wish that desire to pivot. Or else we'll have frequent warfare, famine, uprising and corporations behaving like the fictional OmniCorp in Robocop.

What Apple is doing with the M1 and onwards is basically extracting every last efficiencies it can get from binary computers.

Spoiler: Not about PPC or M1. Political in nature.

Ohh this is an especially creative & colorful take on neo-Marxist, utopia. And it’s called “the age of freedom” no less. Of course the summary goes out of its way to say that the age of freedom is not an economic or class struggle (but it really is.)

California or Seattle? The CHAZ dumpster fires of leftist anarchy & ideology in the US are poised to be leaders in the “age of freedom” ?!? Are you freaking kidding me lol I guess if you want to live in a tent city & smell your neighbor. Laughed out loud at that. Yeah they lost me there but I did get a good laugh out of the site. Is this their way of controlling a narrative? Well I guess an obnoxious Capitalism-bad website is better than a bunch of Oscar Meyer weiners burning down our urban centers, demonizing our LEOs & attempting to rewrite history.

 

[retta283]

Late to this thread, but the real question I have is what fans of Tiger's UI think of Big Sur's UI. Personally I think it's ghastly, so much white wasted space and horrible icons that you can't change anymore.

 

[Amethyst1]

Late to this thread, but the real question I have is what fans of Tiger's UI think of Big Sur's UI.

Since I'm probably the biggest fan of Tiger's UI I'll repeat what I said above - BS' transparent menu bar goes along nicely with Tiger's Aqua Blue wallpaper. But apart from that, it's... horrible beyond words.

 

[JMacHack]

Spoiler: stupid wankery ahead

To summarize, we are facing the end of the age of extraction. Companies that relied on this extraction process now realized that they are basically trying to extract blood out of a stone. The lack of or shying away for stronger consumer protection demonstrated the lack of innovation and excitement that once generated the enthusiasm that were once the pillars of home computing. And the age of extraction is based on company's making profits, profits, profits for their shareholders rather than the well being of the community it supports. In the age of freedom, it is the community that dictates how the company should behave and make communities not as pawns and ATMs for the companies they serve, but rather serving the entire community and focusing on the well being of consumers. COVID really showcased how blatantly ugly these corporations treat customers. I mean, my money that I paid for an airline ticket and pandemic travel insurance and pooh; overnight they simply took my money without delivering the services because they felt it was their right to keep my money so the companies can survive and that was how they justified the behavior. It is this selfish and self centered behavior, which is prevalent in the age of extraction, but this behavior can only accommodate the wealth of roughly half the population, where the other half is languishing in poverty or felt there were no stronger consumer protection. Basically, the current economy had maxed out its capacity and COVID showcased the eugenics control of the population and most companies exploit this. In the last war, Nazi Germany was an example to the world of superiority and pre-destination and even with that experience, the world generally moved on with the same extraction behavior and a general eugenics approach still that made consumers the ATM machine to corporations rather than treating consumers as human beings with some inalienable rights. Which is why the next age in civilization development will bring that change. Basically, how corporations and governments act are representing the consciousness of the civilization and how civilizations want to be treated. If the civilization want to keep extracting, then the lessons from the 1920, the great war and today's populism would be for nothing. It's like 3 strikes and you're out and we had hit the last strike. It's either we pivot to a new age or else like many great civilizations before us plunge into the next dark age. Personally I know that America is very resilient and hopefully Americans forgive and then pivot into a more egalitarian approach with the age of freedom where consumers are treated as members of the community. We can only wish that desire to pivot. Or else we'll have frequent warfare, famine, uprising and corporations behaving like the fictional OmniCorp in Robocop.

What Apple is doing with the M1 and onwards is basically extracting every last efficiencies it can get from binary computers.

Or maybe the SoC can't address more than 16GB of ram, it's on the chip because it's an SoC and requires fast access, LPDDR chips don't come on SO-DIMMs, and the SSD controller is integrated into the CPU itself.

But don't let me rain on your parade, keep thinking you're smarter than you are.

 

[Imixmuan]

They look every inch the 1st gen, low-end models that they are. No reason to buy.

Agreed...I've been watching some youtube reviews and while the performance of Apple Silicon is at least on paper impressive, I personally don't do anything that remotely requires said performance. Plus, statements like "Safari opens really fast" or "youtube playback is great" make me laugh my middle-aged Irish/British ass off. Guess what? Firefox 83 on my 2008 t400 Thinkpad ALSO opens really fast, youtube playback is phenomenal at 720p, which is of course all my screen can even display. Most computer users would be fine with a ten year old machine and a decent OS, a few scientists, content creators and other professionals would need newer machines, but hey.....that's not capitalism, or consumerism. Guess that makes me a socialist frugalist.

 

[dextructor]

Guess what? Firefox 83 on my 2008 t400 Thinkpad ALSO opens really fast, youtube playback is phenomenal at 720p, which is of course all my screen can even display.

It's my case too. I have a few T400 and one that my wife uses as a daily machine but with T9900 + low latency DDR3 + SSD with Windows 10 and Arch Linux the performance it's superb to open Firefox and other apps since I don't hear any complains, but open a video on a Browser I think it's a waste of resources and we use mpv with browser extensions, so playing 1080p 60fps it's a breeze even with Intel integrated graphics. Of course the new M1 machines are fast since they are the product of years of engineering of P.A. Semi that Apple bought in 2008 after releasing their only Power ISA chip and designed every mobile SoC in Apple products since then, the M1 it's only the beginning if "performance" it's what meters to your computer needs, but it's not my case.

 

[sanfrancisofont1984]

Why would tech savvy people give themselves slower than contemporary computers as daily machines. If I want to save money I would buy "cheap but fast" such as certain generations of xeon workstations or boards.

 

[mmphosis]

To summarize: https://github.com/zamaudio

 

[dextructor]

To summarize: https://github.com/zamaudio

I don't understand it

 

[sanfrancisofont1984]

I would guess it was referring to issues with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Management_Engine

 

[r6mile]

But even if most people don't notice increased performance in their daily use (though I would argue that now that many are working from home, apps like Zoom and MS Teams push computers a fair bit), they will notice much cooler and quieter devices, and much improved battery life.

Clearly it comes at the expense of upgradeability and repairability, which is disappointing, but in my view there's no denying what a massive technological leap this is.

 

[Tratkazir_the_1st]

To summarize: https://github.com/zamaudio

I can see only horned angry pink horse. Is that what you wanted to show?