iPhone X So Xr’s screen is only 720p...

[MICHAELSD]

Very honest comments

All of the apps he complains about are upscaled and not optimized for the XR, which is why it lacks sharpness in those apps. While the upscaling could have been handled better, app developers are mostly to blame.

His experience is one that I expect a lot of consumers to have: they’ll see the unoptimized Facebook, Instagram, etc. apps not knowing it’s an issue with scaling and return the device thinking it’s due to the sub-1080p display. Unfortunately Facebook rolled back native support for all its apps right before Christmas so there are a lot of popular apps lacking sharpness.

 

[davedvdy]

I like Jonathan Morrison, but he compared a $300 Pocophone to a XR that costs $749 (up to $899).
Yes, there's more to a screen than resolution or PPI, but that's all that proves.
If he put the One Plus 6T display up against it, I think this would've ended differently, and that phone is a good deal cheaper than the XR. That phone is running Android, and not iOS, so I'm not claiming anything else about price, but he pulled one of the cheapest Android phones on the market.

 

[cababah]

Very honest comments

Well...that’s just like his opinion, man.

 

[Shanghaichica]

I like Jonathan Morrison, but he compared a $300 Pocophone to a XR that costs $749 (up to $899).
Yes, there's more to a screen than resolution or PPI, but that's all that proves.
If he put the One Plus 6T display up against it, I think this would've ended differently, and that phone is a good deal cheaper than the XR. That phone is running Android, and not iOS, so I'm not claiming anything else about price, but he pulled one of the cheapest Android phones on the market.

Exactly. When you look at the Xr’s price it’s actually a flagship price and more comparable to an S9 or pixel 3. I think we all know that the display on the Xr doesn’t hold up to the displays on those phones.
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All of the apps he complains about are upscaled and not optimized for the XR, which is why it lacks sharpness in those apps. While the upscaling could have been handled better, app developers are mostly to blame.

His experience is one that I expect a lot of consumers to have: they’ll see the unoptimized Facebook, Instagram, etc. apps not knowing it’s an issue with scaling and return the device thinking it’s due to the sub-1080p display. Unfortunately Facebook rolled back native support for all its apps right before Christmas so there are a lot of popular apps lacking sharpness.

Agreed this has to do with apps not being optimised for the XR. On its own the XR is a decent display. It’s when you put it next to other phones that you will see it’s shortcomings. Also I just feel it should have been a higher resolution display for its price point. I wonder what most consumers actually think because they probably don’t know what resolution the display is. To be fair most consumers aren’t that picky so will just be happy with the phone. It’s only tech enthusiasts that pick into the details.

 

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They have black crush.

 

[davedvdy]

You mean the two phones that have way over saturated colors and horrible black crush and smear?

No, OLED screens are not "oversaturated", unless they aren't calibrated properly.
Many LCD screens are just washed out. Tom's Guide and Displaymate both have said that the XS Max
screen is one of the best. I haven't seen any black crush present, do you have some examples on the XS/XS Max?

Also, especially in this video you can see how washed out the color reproduction is in the XR, as I posted previously which can easily be seen@9:46:

Furthermore... Sony, Samsung, Oneplus, HTC, Huawei, LG, and nearly every other manufacturer use OLED in their flagship phones.

 

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I mean S9/Pixel.

 

[Shanghaichica]

Dude I just said the S9 and Pixel 3. I’m aware of calibration.

The S9 isn’t oversaturated. You can adjust the display setting to a more natural look if you find it too vibrant.

 

[44267547]

I just said the S9 and Pixel 3. .

No, you didn’t. You actually didn’t indicate _any_ specific phone at all to Davedvy, you said this:

You mean the two phones that have way over saturated colors and horrible black crush and smear?

That’s what provoked the response in explaining OLED calibration above.

 

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Wasn't talking to him.

 

[Shanghaichica]

I wasn’t even talking to davedvy. I replied immediately to the previous poster that had the statement about the S9 and Pixel 3 right at the very bottom of her post, pre-edit. But hey let’s call the sleuths over this super important detail!

P.S. love your post!!!!

Also that video keeps getting posted again and again, probably by the same poster. I assume they are unaware of how different display technologies react differently to cameras (like the line you might see when filming a CRT), and the calibration of both the XR and the XS are pretty much on point in person. Obviously the backlight is the only real major difference. An example of an actual washed out LCD calibration would be something like the Nexus 4 or 5.
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You basically just said it is oversaturated right there. It’s either correct out of the box or it’s not.

It’s about giving the user the choice to set the display as they want it. Correct is subjective. The point still stands the S9 and pixel 3 have better displays than the Xr despite being in the same price bracket.

 

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Correct is actually objective.

 

[Shanghaichica]

Correct is actually objective, but okay. I would take an XS or XR calibrated display every time over the competition.

If we are taking about ‘correct’ display mate rate both the pixel 3 and the S9 higher than the Xr.

I would take an Xr over the S9 or the pixel 3 because it runs iOS despite the display being inferior on the Xr.

 

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Calibration is an art.

 

[Gilligan's last elephant]

Ahhh... the Huawei P20. A good friend of mine has one of these and we spent some time looking/chatting about it. A few things that we noticed:

* Lots of people bang on about the camera but to us the camera over processes every photo. Pictures look like oil paintings.

* It’s unintuitive to navigate. Eg the home button is used for just about everything. You never know where you are.

* Hideous lag, especially on web pages.

* Terrible inconsistencies with font and menu sizes. Some think iOS has gone downhill in these areas. Wait until you see this.

* The screen is oversaturated. Nice resolution but it looks cartoonish.

Of course these were just our observations. but yeah, the screen has good resolution and the phone is shiny shiny.

I have the P20 Pro but I am sure the P20 will be similar.

Navigating with the Home button for everything is an option and can be changed back to conventional on screen 3 navigation buttons. Mine came set up the conventional way but I prefer the Home button for all option.

Screen being oversaturated. There is an option to set screen to Vivid or Normal. I have it set to Normal.

Dont understand at all the comment about menus and fonts.

As for camera, I find it the best phone camera I have ever used. The low light operation is excellent in particular giving much better results than my Sony compact camera which tends to use flash in comparable conditions and gives uneven exposture. However if you are using the P20 and not the Pro, it has a less capable camera

Don't have issues with lag.

 

[milover]

My phone has a 2k monitor. I just test it out by watching the same youtube video in 1080 comparing to 720. In 1080 the skin details of the human is much clearer than 720. I can feel the skin texture is much more real in 1080. I even try to watch in 1440 and there is improvement again but not as big as 1080 vs 720.

 

[Gilligan's last elephant]

The S9 isn’t oversaturated. You can adjust the display setting to a more natural look if you find it too vibrant.

This is a standard Android setting. Lots of people like the vivid setting. TVs come with this option as well (as one of several settings) to suit different tastes. I never have an issue with options.

 

[milover]

If we are taking about ‘correct’ display mate rate both the pixel 3 and the S9 higher than the Xr.

I would take an Xr over the S9 or the pixel 3 because it runs iOS despite the display being inferior on the Xr.

iOS is too buggy in this year, so many big bugs that affects daily normal use. My family uses both iphone and android so I know. It looks like Apple "econ" has been going down for this year so they spend much more resource on how to make more money instead of making iOS stable and good.

 

[Shanghaichica]

This is a standard Android setting. Lots of people like the vivid setting. TVs come with this option as well (as one of several settings) to suit different tastes. I never have an issue with options.

It’s always better to have options than not have them. I’d rather have things and not use them than not have them.
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I have the P20 Pro but I am sure the P20 will be similar.

Navigating with the Home button for everything is an option and can be changed back to conventional on screen 3 navigation buttons. Mine came set up the conventional way but I prefer the Home button for all option.

Screen being oversaturated. There is an option to set screen to Vivid or Normal. I have it set to Normal.

Dont understand at all the comment about menus and fonts.

As for camera, I find it the best phone camera I have ever used. The low light operation is excellent in particular giving much better results than my Sony compact camera which tends to use flash in comparable conditions and gives uneven exposture. However if you are using the P20 and not the Pro, it has a less capable camera

Don't have issues with lag.

I’ve not used a Huwawei phone before but I do know that Kirin chips they use in their phones are very capable and are said to be better than the current snapdragon chip. So I can’t imagine it being laggy.

Is it correct that the home button can be used as a trackpad on the p 20 pro?

 

[PeteS1963]

The S9 isn’t oversaturated. You can adjust the display setting to a more natural look if you find it too vibrant.

For my eyes the colours on the S9 are inaccurate, whatever I do. It’s not just about being oversaturated. And the iPhone XR has better colour accuracy. For me and the work I do that’s more important than any issue with resolution.
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I have the P20 Pro but I am sure the P20 will be similar.

Navigating with the Home button for everything is an option and can be changed back to conventional on screen 3 navigation buttons. Mine came set up the conventional way but I prefer the Home button for all option.

Screen being oversaturated. There is an option to set screen to Vivid or Normal. I have it set to Normal.

Dont understand at all the comment about menus and fonts.

As for camera, I find it the best phone camera I have ever used. The low light operation is excellent in particular giving much better results than my Sony compact camera which tends to use flash in comparable conditions and gives uneven exposture. However if you are using the P20 and not the Pro, it has a less capable camera

Don't have issues with lag.

It’s not simply over saturation. Can’t commnet on the Pro but for me the colours on the P20 are inaccurate and certainly not as accurate as the XR. It’s doesnt matter what setting you have. For me (the “for me” is important) this is a deal breaker. I’m not the only one who thinks colour accuracy is good on the XR. I’d also rate colour accuracy above the XS and MAX.

https://www.gsmarena.com/iphone_xr-review-1842p3.php

“We also measured the color accuracy and we're happy to report the XR's LCD is one super accurate LCD. The average DeltaE against an sRGB target was a negligible 0.6 with near perfect whites - nice.

The display has outstanding color performance and when Apple says it has an industry-leading color performance for an LCD, we believe it. Besides just calibrating the display properly, Apple also has support for color management baked into both the software and the hardware. This, along with the wide color support, means the phone can display content in its native color profile without the user having to manually switch modes”.

 

[Gilligan's last elephant]

Is it correct that the home button can be used as a trackpad on the p 20 pro?

It isn't a track pad as such.

It can as an option perform the three normal navigation buttons which are onscreen on P20 Pro.
Short press BACK
Long press HOME
Swipe left to right. RECENT APPS

I like it and it frees up the bottom of the screen.

 

[Shanghaichica]

For my eyes the colours on the S9 are inaccurate, whatever I do. It’s not just about being oversaturated. And the iPhone XR has better colour accuracy. For me and the work I do that’s more important than any issue with resolution.
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It’s not simply over saturation. Can’t commnet on the Pro but for me the colours on the P20 are inaccurate and certainly not as accurate as the XR. It’s doesnt matter what setting you have. For me (the “for me” is important) this is a deal breaker. I’m not the only one who thinks colour accuracy is good on the XR. I’d also rate colour accuracy above the XS and MAX.

https://www.gsmarena.com/iphone_xr-review-1842p3.php

“We also measured the color accuracy and we're happy to report the XR's LCD is one super accurate LCD. The average DeltaE against an sRGB target was a negligible 0.6 with near perfect whites - nice.

The display has outstanding color performance and when Apple says it has an industry-leading color performance for an LCD, we believe it. Besides just calibrating the display properly, Apple also has support for color management baked into both the software and the hardware. This, along with the wide color support, means the phone can display content in its native color profile without the user having to manually switch modes”.

GSM arena are not experts in display technology.

Displaymate rate the XS/Xs max screen to be better than the Xr. However I don’t disagree that the colour acccuaracy is good on the Xr. Apple have always had very accurate displays be they LCD or OLED. The Xr is one of the best LCD displays on the market but it doesn’t stand up to a good OLED panel. However for most the Xr will be good enough.

 

[Gilligan's last elephant]

It’s not simply over saturation. Can’t commnet on the Pro but for me the colours on the P20 are inaccurate and certainly not as accurate as the XR. It’s doesnt matter what setting you have. For me (the “for me” is important) this is a deal breaker. I’m not the only one who thinks colour accuracy is good on the XR. I’d also rate colour accuracy above the XS and MAX.

https://www.gsmarena.com/iphone_xr-review-1842p3.php

“We also measured the color accuracy and we're happy to report the XR's LCD is one super accurate LCD. The average DeltaE against an sRGB target was a negligible 0.6 with near perfect whites - nice.

The display has outstanding color performance and when Apple says it has an industry-leading color performance for an LCD, we believe it. Besides just calibrating the display properly, Apple also has support for color management baked into both the software and the hardware. This, along with the wide color support, means the phone can display content in its native color profile without the user having to manually switch modes”.

I cannot comment on the P20 either as it is a different phone to the P20 Pro. I wasn't sure if you just weren't writing Pro. People often do.

P20 has LCD display, Pro has OLED.
Different cameras.
Pro has 6Gb ram instead of 4Gb.

P20 is a mid range phone rather than the flagship the P20 Pro was on release. Although I do understand one can only have one flagship

 

[agente46]

I like Jonathan Morrison, but he compared a $300 Pocophone to a XR that costs $749 (up to $899).
Yes, there's more to a screen than resolution or PPI, but that's all that proves.
If he put the One Plus 6T display up against it, I think this would've ended differently, and that phone is a good deal cheaper than the XR. That phone is running Android, and not iOS, so I'm not claiming anything else about price, but he pulled one of the cheapest Android phones on the market.

But that is exactly his point. Everyone here is complaining about ppi and resolution. There is no mention about quality of the panel or color accuracy. All people care about are the numbers on the specs and he was just trying to debunk that. Obviously if he picked a nicer display the results would be different but he picked a cheap display to prove that ppi and resolution is not the only important factor of a screen.

It amazes me why non Xr users continue to bash the Xr screen when there are options out there so they can decide to buy it or not. Apple didn’t have to release the Xr which would give consumers fewer options.

 

[milover]

But that is exactly his point. Everyone here is complaining about ppi and resolution. There is no mention about quality of the panel or color accuracy. All people care about are the numbers on the specs and he was just trying to debunk that. Obviously if he picked a nicer display the results would be different but he picked a cheap display to prove that ppi and resolution is not the only important factor of a screen.

It amazes me why non Xr users continue to bash the Xr screen when there are options out there so they can decide to buy it or not. Apple didn’t have to release the Xr which would give consumers fewer options.

As I point out in my testing above, the details disappear in 720 comparing to 1080 or 1440. So it is pointless to talk about how good is the panel when all details disappear in 720. I have checked out the XR many times and I cannot tell the panel quality is good at all, it is just average.