So you say Android it fragmented?

[sixteen12]

Installing Android on a Tablet or phone it's really not like installing Ubuntu, or Windows on PC. Essentially the drivers have to be coded into the OS. if the community has no interest in putting it on your phone, or you aren't fairly computer savy with a fair amount of free time, you won't get the latest release.

Yes for a lot of the better phones you can root and install a custom rom, but this has varying degrees of ease. Titanium Backup is nice to keep all your info from your apps saved, but it doesn't always work between phones.

 

[Zac7]

Dude, just get a new device. Kind of sound like a whiney child.

 

[blackhand1001]

The iPhone 1 is much less powerful then the 3Gs. Lightyears behind. Even iOS 3.0 made it get a bit slow and you're wanting it to run iOS 6? It couldn't even handle iOS 4 very well as seen by the iPhone 3G. Both the iPhone 3G and iPhone 1 have the exact same GPU/RAM/GPU configuration. If the iPhone 3G couldn't handle iOS 4 well, then the iPhone 1 certainly couldn't any better.



How is this unlike other platforms? I don't see Windows Mobile 6 devices getting Windows Phone 7. Android, I'm not even going to start on that. Symbian OS? You'd be lucky if Nokia even acknowledges your device exists after one year.



If Apple was to support ever old device, it'd turn into Microsoft with Windows XP and 2000. Both operating systems are over 10 years old.



The iPad 1G ceased to be a "major, powerful device" the moment the iPad 2 was released. Since then, it was all back seat.



Tablets made of cell phone internals? Only as long as a typical cell phone. Tablets made from a x86 CPU? As long as Microsoft keeps updating XP/7 it'll last. Don't forget ARM and x86 tablets are in completely different worlds. This could change when Windows 8 comes out, but it won't effect iOS very much.



The iPad 1 is very different from the 2 and 3. One has one CPU core and the others have two. One has 256Mb of ram and the others have 2x and 4x that amount. One's GPU is grossly underpowered where as the others are very powerful.



Locking out old features isn't something that just Apple does. Look at Vista's Areo features. They only work on good GPUs even though a poor GPU can render it.

Clearly you are uninformed. The requirement for vistas aero was having a wddm driver because that included support for directx scheduling which was necessary to run aero and another directx application at the same time. It was a not a software lock. As long as you gpu supported wddm which almost all of them since like 2003 do you had aero.

 

[pure3d2]

I'll just say one more thing:

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I hope Android takes over and matures as a platform to attract even more developers. I agree that the screen resolution, GPU and CPU power differences are a major hurdle for it. Google really should have set some strict standards that all licensed devices must follow, such as certain evenly divisible resolutions for smartphones, and others for tablets, all higher ones being twice the lower one, to ensure that apps can scale gracefully. I.e. smartphones: 640x480, 1280x960. Tablets: 1280x960, 2560x1920. They should also have demanded certain CPU and GPU standards at each resolution, measured using some official benchmarking program, to ensure that all devices meet a certain standard. Had those steps been taken, Android would have been an even better platform.

For now I gotta think about what to do. If I had $0 invested in actual software for the iOS platform, I would leave now, but since I have over $1000 in software, in addition to the $950 for the iPad 1, it's not as easy to cut my losses and leave.

Chances are I'll stay with the iPad 1 on iOS 5 and become more and more pissed off when apps start requiring iOS 6, then finally upgrade a year from now. Apple wins as usual.

Go and get an Android tablet then.

 

[Intell]

Clearly you are uninformed. The requirement for vistas aero was having a wddm driver because that included support for directx scheduling which was necessary to run aero and another directx application at the same time. It was a not a software lock. As long as you gpu supported wddm which almost all of them since like 2003 do you had aero.

It was an example. Windows isn't my strongest point.

 

[MythicFrost]

So you say don't buy an Android device because you won't get updates? So tell me, what good is it to buy an iphone or ipad if it's not gonna get the upgrade and features that come with the next OS? Or if it's not gonna have the hardware to run the new OS smoothly. I'll never tell another person stick with the iPhone because you'll get updates!! People in glass houses....

Why's that? The iPhone 3GS is STILL getting iOS 6. That means it's going to have received three additional full OS releases after what it was introduced with... that's good support.

 

[Jessica Lares]

iPhone and iPod Touch devices don't last forever. I think you'll find that most of these 2G and 3G devices on eBay and Craiglist are all cracked and damaged in some way. These are devices run apps that use the accelerometer, gyroscope, and gestures that require a lot of moving of the device in awkward ways. Sooner or later you break it, whether it be a year from when you bought it, or three. They are not computers that sit on your desk.

The iPad 1 is already getting slower with all the updates and tweaks being pushed to it. Apps are getting bigger too. I think for the most part, iBooks will be the main app that gets updated for it so they can still promote it for use in education.

iOS is not fragmented.

 

[aitte]

Dude, just get a new device. Kind of sound like a whiney child.

"Just get a new device" when the iPad 1 is really fast and not at all in need of an upgrade other than Apple saying that you must? I was planning to MAYBE upgrade to the iPad 4 in the future.

Like I said, I'd leave iOS now and go for a top of the line Android device (to be sure it'll have a fan following and receive custom ROMs), but am tied by having $1000 in iOS software, plus about a thousand more in music purchases on the same AppleID.

However, I had an idea...

- I paid $980 for the iPad 1 on launch day two years ago.
- You can get $350-380 second hand now, but that's the price BEFORE news about iOS 6 started spreading, so chances of sale will drop with each day as more and more people are informed of the limitation.
- The iPad 3 costs $840 new.
- If I manage to sell the iPad 1, that means an extra expense of $490 gets me from iPad 1 to iPad 3.
- But then I realized "Wait a minute, why should I pay $490 now when I don't have ANY interest in the iPad 3? My iPad 1 can run anything I throw at it..."

Hmm, an alternate path then would be to keep using the iPad 1, then go for the iPad 4 next year or the iPad 5 the year after that. Sure, the iPad 1 will keep dropping in price and might become completely unsellable when enough people know that it won't get iOS 6, but by skipping generations, I get more upgrade for my money later, without totally worthless expenses in the interim; the iPad 3 really doesn't offer any benefit for anything but gamers, or someone doing something weird that requires such a beefy CPU...

Hmm...

I think I'll remain an iOS user after all (solely because of my thousands of dollars in apps/music on this AppleID), and do the ".ipa" app update-avoiding dance where needed, and then finally upgrade the iPad 1-2 years from now as had already been planned... I just hope there are no severe security issues for iOS 5 in the interim.

What I like about iOS is how well it integrates with iTunes and Macs. What I dislike is how dang restricted the app choices are. Maybe this whole ordeal will make me try out jailbreaking for once. I've always avoided that because I don't trust unsigned code, but... hmm. It'd bring some of the Android freedom benefits over to iOS.

PS: If you look at just the price I and other early iPad adopters paid - $980 - and divide it by the two years of use, that's $490 a year or in other words *damn* expensive. Stretching it to four years (iPad 5) would make that $245/yr, and more in the ballpark of what I had expected to get out of it...

Thanks for the interesting debate. I can't leave iOS. Too much invested in it. I'll hold out, hope for no serious security vulnerabilities, and look into jailbreaking to get some of the other Android freedoms.

 

[12dylan34]

Did you know that iOS lockouts are an artificial limit set by the almighty Apple to lock people out and force them to throw away perfectly good devices?

Did you know that EVERY iOS version works with EVERY version EVER of the iPhone/iPad hardware?

Ever try to run iOS 4 on an iPhone 3G? Hope you aren't in a hurry to do anything. I would stand to dispute your last claim.

 

[Vegastouch]

At least you get several updates on iOS as soon as it's released. Android = maybe an upgrade 8 months after release.

You are getting a major update after one year since iOS 5 came out and this is what you get?

8 Months dont look so bad now does it? Many devices are getting updated to ICS and the Samsung GS2 just got theirs today for those saying they never give out updates.

I dont know....the GS3 is so far ahead of iOS right now, it isnt funny. iOS did really nothing to gain ground asside from a better Siri (thats debatable right now) and a better Nav than what they had.

I mean c-mon, i see people excited that Emoji got an update. Really????
Im not trying to be critical. Id really like to see Apple step it up for the compitition aspect but damn! I guess a bigger screen was their biggest deal and it will be a big deal but geezz. The GS3 was a huge upgrade overall.

 

[Jessica Lares]

You are getting a major update after one year since iOS 5 came out and this is what you get?

8 Months dont look so bad now does it? Many devices are getting updated to ICS and the Samsung GS2 just got theirs today for those saying they never give out updates.

I dont know....the GS3 is so far ahead of iOS right now, it isnt funny. iOS did really nothing to gain ground asside from a better Siri (thats debatable right now) and a better Nav than what they had.

I mean c-mon, i see people excited that Emoji got an update. Really????
Im not trying to be critical. Id really like to see Apple step it up for the compitition aspect but damn! I guess a bigger screen was their biggest deal and it will be a big deal but geezz. The GS3 was a huge upgrade overall.

Apple doesn't need to make major updates. They have a strong product as it stands. And it's much, much better than Android. And as Apple has shown today, it's the developers who matter the most. Without them, the iPhone and iPad would be nothing. Just like all those Android phones and tablets are nothing.

And that's coming from someone that owns both an Android phone and tablet.

 

[DodgeV83]

8 Months dont look so bad now does it?

In terms of updates, Android is quite literally the worst OS (mobile or not) being sold on the market today.

Installing an unofficial operating system, completely overwriting the operating system that shipped with the device, from a random guy posting in a message forum, is not a solution.

You wouldn't run a random .exe posted in a forum from someone claiming to have some really cool new features to show you, yet this is much worse.

 

[Vegastouch]

In terms of updates, Android is quite literally the worst OS (mobile or not) being sold on the market today.

Installing an unofficial operating system, completely overwriting the operating system that shipped with the device, from a random guy posting in a message forum, is not a solution.

You wouldn't run a random .exe posted in a forum from someone claiming to have some really cool new features to show you, yet this is much worse.

<YAWN>.....Sorry but ICS along with the GS3 is a huge upgrade. This iOS6 announcement is weak sauce.

It dont matter what you say, you are a broken record. Many Android devices are getting update now to ICS. The GS2 got theirs today, adding to the list... and you know what....even on my Vibrant i can update it tomorrow to ICS if i want (and i have) and yes, many of the Devs who make ROMs do a real good job. They arent some random guy on just any forum and they build ROMs from leaks from Samsung who do it on purpose.

Not sure if the iPhone devs(for which there are only around 3) have even been able to unlock the 4S yet.

 

[Technarchy]

You are getting a major update after one year since iOS 5 came out and this is what you get?

8 Months dont look so bad now does it? Many devices are getting updated to ICS and the Samsung GS2 just got theirs today for those saying they never give out updates.

I dont know....the GS3 is so far ahead of iOS right now, it isnt funny. iOS did really nothing to gain ground asside from a better Siri (thats debatable right now) and a better Nav than what they had.

I mean c-mon, i see people excited that Emoji got an update. Really????
Im not trying to be critical. Id really like to see Apple step it up for the compitition aspect but damn! I guess a bigger screen was their biggest deal and it will be a big deal but geezz. The GS3 was a huge upgrade overall.

You're being obtuse, or your really don't get it.

There is a reason iOS is the developers OS of choice.

While android users are looking for welfare "free" adware filled apps, and praying some basement made half ass ROM is made for their phone, iOS users are actually consuming content, staying loyal to the brand and OS, and are overwhelmingly satisfied.

Android is utterly horrible software, with an even worse business model. But hey, those live wallpapers are so useful.

 

[DodgeV83]

<YAWN>.....Sorry but ICS along with the GS3 is a huge upgrade. This iOS6 announcement is weak sauce.

It dont matter what you say, you are a broken record. Many Android devices are getting update now to ICS. The GS2 got theirs today, adding to the list... and you know what....even on my Vibrant i can update it tomorrow to ICS if i want (and i have) and yes, many of the Devs who make ROMs do a real good job. They arent some random guy on just any forum and they build ROMs from leaks from Samsung who do it on purpose.

Not sure if the iPhone devs(for which there are only around 3) have even been able to unlock the 4S yet.

Your response does not negate any of my claims.

 

[Tminusg]

So I just bought a HTC FLYER for my truck. Some poor sucker bought this devicelast year at full price for 499$, obviously overpriced but granted it is a nice 7" tablet (lovin that i got it for 185$ like new). Come to find out YA sweet it got Honeycomb upgraded from Gingerbread, too bad the gps stopped locking after the upgrade to Honeycomb. 1 year later gps fix is still not out and support for the device is being dropped lol, wow best 500$ someone ever spent. Broken main feature with no fix and dropped support. Go buy an android, but beware make sure its a flagship.

 

[roxxette]

Apple doesn't need to make major updates. They have a strong product as it stands. And it's much, much better than Android. And as Apple has shown today, it's the developers who matter the most. Without them, the iPhone and iPad would be nothing. Just like all those Android phones and tablets are nothing.

And that's coming from someone that owns both an Android phone and tablet.

A android fan/user will probably say the same thing you say my friend for YOU AND ME iOS is a better product , thats why whe are here because whe choose apple and continued to support the OS.....

 

[Vegastouch]

Your response does not negate any of my claims.

Those werent claims. They were your opinion which were actually kind of ridiculous that i doubt you even experienced with an Android.

 

[SprSynJn]

Here is something I don't get, why do people keep saying the new Galaxy is miles ahead of the iPhone? Samsung just copied the 4Ss functions and design. That spoken program is a copy of Siri. Their cloud service is the same as iCloud, albeit some missing features. Hell, even the phone itself looks like an iPhone. Unless I'm missing something here, there is nothing on that phone that stands out. Why all the praise for it and the hate for iOS?

 

[Vegastouch]

You're being obtuse, or your really don't get it.

There is a reason iOS is the developers OS of choice.

While android users are looking for welfare "free" adware filled apps, and praying some basement made half ass ROM is made for their phone, iOS users are actually consuming content, staying loyal to the brand and OS, and are overwhelmingly satisfied.

Android is utterly horrible software, with an even worse business model. But hey, those live wallpapers are so useful.

Did you use a poll to find this out? There are many of the same devs that make the same apps for the iPhone and there are also a ton of kids that use this forum that are looking for free apps so what are you talking about?

I dont care if an app costs money if it is good and the free ones with ads is a good way to try them out. If it is good, ill buy the better one. If i buy one and it isnt that good, ill get a refund.

I dont use live wallpapers either but you know ......i can if i want to. You cant and that is one of the beauties of Android. You think it is horrible, great! 900,000 Android activators per day dont agree with that number rising in 10 days.

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Here is something I don't get, why do people keep saying the new Galaxy is miles ahead of the iPhone? Samsung just copied the 4Ss functions and design. That spoken program is a copy of Siri. Their cloud service is the same as iCloud, albeit some missing features. Hell, even the phone itself looks like an iPhone. Unless I'm missing something here, there is nothing on that phone that stands out. Why all the praise for it and the hate for iOS?

I absolutely have nothing against the iPhone or Apple as i have other products and will get more but you have no clue what your saying here. The iPhone was not the first touchscreen phone for starters. And the 4S in fact copied functions from Android....like notifications which still arent as good.

They all copy.

 

[SprSynJn]

Then why don't you enlighten me? As someone who apparently does know what he/she is talking about, it would be pretty easy I'd imagine.

 

[Jessica Lares]

Did you use a poll to find this out? There are many of the same devs that make teh same apps for the Iphone and there are also a ton of kids that use this forum that are looking for free apps so what are you talking about?

I dont care if an app costs money if it is good and the free ones with ads is a good way to try them out. If it is good, ill buy the better one. If i buy one and it isnt that good, ill get a refund.

I dont use live wallpapers either but you know ......i can if i want to. You cant and that is one of the beauties of Android. You think it is horrible, great! 900,000 Android activators per day dont agree with that number rising in 10 days.

No there aren't. Go to the Google Play website and you will find that there are only the mainstream apps that you can get that are also on the iPhone. Most of the productivity apps aren't there, most of the camera apps aren't either. It's just a bunch of task, notes, and other useless apps that no one wants because they all are the same thing. Sure, there are people here that look for free apps, but there are actually apps that are free and also worth our time. That is not the case of Android. All the free apps are junk, covered in ads (push ads even that use the notification system for spam), and are mostly games that are made over and over again. Who wants to play the same Bejeweled game 50 times?

There is nothing worth buying either. I've only bought about 10 apps so far, the good ones at that. I spent about $1,000 on iOS apps since the first iPhone came out.

And just because there are 900,000 activations of Android everyday doesn't mean that a lot of those people don't take them back.

 

[Vegastouch]

Then why don't you enlighten me? As someone who apparently does know what he/she is talking about, it would be pretty easy I'd imagine.

I mentioned two things. Do a Google search. That seems to be a lost art in here.

 

[rjbeh]

wow... thunderstorms and tidal waves... lol... for me, i'd just buy every single of their iDevices no matter how locked up or "no freedom" whatever crap it is... If you have the extra money just get a new device every year. Thats what I did. Afterall the apps that you paid to , you can always redownload them to your new iDevices. So why the whining? Also, + 1 why Apple still win over Android devices are, 3rd party manufacturers will produce products that are compatible with iDevices MORE than Android devices. i.e look at iPhone cases... no matter where you go, there will be people selling them regardless of knock offs or originals. (i spent nearly 3 thousand dollars for my iDevice accessories, that doesn't stop me from hating apple). So stop whining and move on with the new updates

a little out of topic here, but who's anticipating the "new iPhone / iPhone 5" ? i know i am

 

[Tmelon]

I'd rather have a partial version of a new OS than be stranded at 2.3 Gingerbread on a <1 year old device.