So you say Android it fragmented?

[Abazigal]

No, it's what a kid does to take the. easy way out. Ask someone to find things for them. There is a thread that's been going on for days on this. I told you the title, go find it. Your the one who is wasting ones time. I dont have any fascination. I know what's different, you are the one in the dark who thinks Apple invented Siri.
Typically laziness.

I respectfully disagree.

I have always found it irritating whenever someone makes a claim or argument in a public forum, then when asked to back it up, simply tells the poster to search for it himself. The onus is really on you to supply the facts which you claim will support your stance, and it doesn't help that you proceed to call them names for not doing something which really is your responsibility in the first place!

Not to mention that your tone is rude and abrasive, making it all the more difficult for people to take you seriously or treat your words as little more than a whiny troll.

To me, it is rude, dismissive, and how will you know that the person in question will end up locating and reading the articles you have in mind? You of all people would know best what sort of articles you have in mind, and so should be in the best position to retrieve them for the benefit of a healthy discussion. However, it seems you are not interested in that.

The only time I do this is if I am posting from my iphone and don't have the links on hand to replicate, and the interface does not make copy-and-pasting conducive. Else, it is not really that difficult to locate the sites. In addition, once you have done it, replicating the same thing is even easier (should you be faced with a similar debate in future), because you can always just link back to your original post.

If those articles really were so important and relevant to your case, how hard would be it to simply keep a simple text file containing links to those posts? Then recall them as appropriate.

 

[SprSynJn]

Vegas, you are one confused individual. I never said Apple "invented" Siri. I'm not sure where you got that from. Anyway, abazigal basically summed up what I was trying to tell you several posts ago. Please read and dwell on it. Thank you.

 

[DodgeV83]

You said:



Overall, perhaps. There are many, many different android devices and they all arent going to get the big updates. You want them, get a flagship phone or a nexus line phone. Apple has one phone and it takes a year to get a major update....and those , the last two have been underwhelming.

Is it the worst OS on the market today? Well no, its OS is right now better than iOS. So, i call that an Opinion!



Random guy? I take it you dont go to the XDA site. Those devs use leaks from Samsung(which has been the phone ive used) so they make custom ROM's based off of Samsungs OS leaks and use that script. So you wouldnt do it, and like i said, things i doubt you have done with an Android.

So, ill call that an Opinion.





* WTH are you even talking about here? Like i said, things i doubt you have done with an Android and most likely never been to XDA, so you really dont know.
*Its a lot like not looking at somebodys rating and record buying or selling something on eBay. Use your head. Ive never had a any trouble with the devs at XDA and many watch out for trouble makers or whiners whe nthey show up.... and the devs and other posters are actually quite helpful.*

They put a lot of work into those custom ROMs and want you to try their work so they arent going to screw you over. They want to expand themselves. Some even go on to develope Apps or just perhaps maybe like to get a small donation for all the work they have done.

Again, ill call that an Opinion!

Classic Strawman argument:

A straw man argument attempts to counter a position by attacking a different position – usually one that is easier to counter. The arguer invents a caricature of his opponent’s position – a “straw man” – that is easily refuted, but not the position that his opponent actually holds.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

My statement:

In terms of updates, Android is quite literally the worst OS (mobile or not) being sold on the market today.

The statement you are countering:

Is it the worst OS on the market today? Well no, its OS is right now better than iOS. So, i call that an Opinion!

My statement:

Installing an unofficial operating system, completely overwriting the operating system that shipped with the device, from a random guy posting in a message forum, is not a secure solution.

The statement you're countering:

So you wouldnt do it, and like i said, things i doubt you have done with an Android.

So, ill call that an Opinion.

How is it my opinion that the ROMs are posted by random guys?

Do you personally know them?

If so, is it verifiable that they work for Samsung/Google...whoever?

What makes you believe what they've posted is from a Samsung leak, because they told you?

Even if it were an official link, how do you know they haven't added something malicious to the code after receiving it, because they told you?

How do you know the link you're downloading is the same link the 100 people before you downloaded, which they claim is safe, because they told you?

Even if it's the same link, how do you know the 100 people before you, who claim it's safe, are real accounts? Because you can't believe that hackers would make 100 fake usernames?

How hard would it be for a hacker to make a new ROM, make a name for him/herself for a year, then put a Rootkit key logger in the newest release for a new phone? *How hard would it be for that person to silently switch the download link they are pointing to, only for a few minutes a month, long enough to infect 10 or so users, then switch back?

Forums get hacked all of the time, how can you verify that the username you've been trusting for new updates to the ROM hasn't been compromised, and the new download really is from them?

Many phones out there have custom ROMs posted by relatively new people, how can you verify them?

Our devices have a huge amount of personal information on them, including email passwords (which are stored in the clear on Android), credentials to our bank, old emailed tax returns, credentials to our Paypal/Ebay/Amazon/AppStore...etc. accounts. Someone could easily find your social security number and address (tax returns) and go to town.

This is very big business, there is an unfathomably huge financial incentive for someone to gain access to our phones. I suggest checking out http://krebsonsecurity.com/ - he's written stories of "Kingpins" who have built a fortune consisting of hundreds of millions of dollars through digital identity theft. Some groups have hijacked a a combined worth of over $1 billion.

Some of these people actually have websites where you can buy stolen credit cards/Paypal accounts...etc in bulk. Heck if you buy enough they even give you a discount.

This is why big businesses don't allow rogue devices on their network.

UK banks incur nearly $5 million loss from Zeus Trojan

Arena firm loses $217,000 from a key logger installed from an email attachment.

KrebsonSecurity has a separate link specifically for attacks on small business

Here's a common example of a hacked email address leading to bank fraud

Furthermore, it has already been documented that the process of rooting your phone to add a custom ROM, can inherently make your phone less secure:

New Android Malware Attacks Custom ROMs

By using permissions granted to apps which are signed with the same private keys as the ROM itself, an app can update itself or install and uninstall other apps without user interaction.

Considering the recent rise of Malware in the Google Play store, and rise of people downloading fake versions of Instagram, which end up installing a Trojan, it's clear there are people out there trying to infect our phones, what makes you think they wouldn't try to slip something into a custom ROM that people are downloading in large numbers?

Think about it, an entire group of people, who will download unverified copies of an operating system, from an easily anonymized source (a web forum) to put on the one device that has access to literally everything they do online?

When there was a large demand for the RC version of Widows 7, that's exactly what happened.

And your entire argument against that, is that they claim to be working with Samsung leaks, and they claim to not have modified them maliciously, and since I personally wouldn't do it, it constitutes my opinion?

My statement:

Replacing the entire operating system with one posted by a random guy on a message forum, is worse than running a .exe posted by a random guy on a message forum.

This is purely a technical argument. Technically, you are more at risk of Trojan Horses, Rootkits and undetectable Malware, when replacing your entire operating system with rogue code, than when running a .exe file. Yet, if a random guy posted a .exe file to a forum, claiming it will unlock cool new Windows features and you've got to try it, it wouldn't fly. The post would probably be deleted by the mods, since they already prohibit uploads of .exe files for that very reason.

Literally nothing you responded with is relevant to my statement, but you ended it with:

They put a lot of work into those custom ROMs and want you to try their work so they arent going to screw you over....

Again, ill call that an Opinion!

 

[Abazigal]

In addition, I agree that I wouldn't trust downloading an update from a disreputable source (ie: any file that does not originate from the parent company).

Let's say for a moment that the person offering the update is not a hacker. He is really just a well-intentioned individual who is willing to invest time and effort in releasing software upgrades for the benefit of other people. Even then, it does not necessarily mean that those software will be bug-free or incompatible with your android phone.

And if anything goes wrong, it sounds like it would be an uphill battle to restore your phone, especially when not everyone may be as tech-inclined as some of the posters claim to be. I am sure many have had similar experiences on Windows. You download this file for a mising codec, it solves one problem, but leads to another because of some clash with another program. And the problem snowballs the more you try to resolve it.

The way I see it, the reason why Apple is taking so long to introduce what some deem as merely 'incremental' upgrades is because they have a lot of factors to take into consideration. They want a safe environment, they want to ensure the software will run as smoothly on your apple devices as possible for a pleasant user experience. They want to make sure the apps cannot be used to compromise the integrity of your devices in any way. And more importantly, they need the consider how the app fits into the bigger overall picture. I can image how these doctrines can be as much of an impediment to software design as they have been crucial to preserving the 'Apple experience'.

Contrast with android, where it is really 'anything goes'. Anyone with an iota of dev knowledge can easily release their own apps, because they do not face any such restrictions.

I feel that as Apple users, this is something we have to acknowledge and accept as the tradeoff for a safe and secure user experience.

 

[Vegastouch]

I respectfully disagree.

I have always found it irritating whenever someone makes a claim or argument in a public forum, then when asked to back it up, simply tells the poster to search for it himself. The onus is really on you to supply the facts which you claim will support your stance, and it doesn't help that you proceed to call them names for not doing something which really is your responsibility in the first place!

Call them names? Who refered who as a kid first? That is the only "namecalling i see"...asside from me saying "typical laziness", which i stand by.

Not to mention that your tone is rude and abrasive, making it all the more difficult for people to take you seriously or treat your words as little more than a whiny troll.

And you got that from reading some text? I been here a while now. I dont think anyone considers me a troll

To me, it is rude, dismissive, and how will you know that the person in question will end up locating and reading the articles you have in mind? You of all people would know best what sort of articles you have in mind, and so should be in the best position to retrieve them for the benefit of a healthy discussion. However, it seems you are not interested in that.

Thats right, i was busy and didnt have time. Didnt you read what i said? It was said twice!

The only time I do this is if I am posting from my iphone and don't have the links on hand to replicate, and the interface does not make copy-and-pasting conducive. Else, it is not really that difficult to locate the sites. In addition, once you have done it, replicating the same thing is even easier (should you be faced with a similar debate in future), because you can always just link back to your original post.

Bingo! Now perhaps you can relate. Is it starting to be more clear now?

If those articles really were so important and relevant to your case, how hard would be it to simply keep a simple text file containing links to those posts? Then recall them as appropriate.

Not important to me. He is the one who wanted somebody to enlighten him. I didnt have the time.

 

[Vegastouch]

Classic Strawman argument:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

My statement:



The statement you are countering:



My statement:




The statement you're countering:



How is it my opinion that the ROMs are posted by random guys?

Do you personally know them?

If so, is it verifiable that they work for Samsung/Google...whoever?

What makes you believe what they've posted is from a Samsung leak, because they told you?

Even if it were an official link, how do you know they haven't added something malicious to the code after receiving it, because they told you?

How do you know the link you're downloading is the same link the 100 people before you downloaded, which they claim is safe, because they told you?

Even if it's the same link, how do you know the 100 people before you, who claim it's safe, are real accounts? Because you can't believe that hackers would make 100 fake usernames?

How hard would it be for a hacker to make a new ROM, make a name for him/herself for a year, then put a Rootkit key logger in the newest release for a new phone? *How hard would it be for that person to silently switch the download link they are pointing to, only for a few minutes a month, long enough to infect 10 or so users, then switch back?

Forums get hacked all of the time, how can you verify that the username you've been trusting for new updates to the ROM hasn't been compromised, and the new download really is from them?

Many phones out there have custom ROMs posted by relatively new people, how can you verify them?

Our devices have a huge amount of personal information on them, including email passwords (which are stored in the clear on Android), credentials to our bank, old emailed tax returns, credentials to our Paypal/Ebay/Amazon/AppStore...etc. accounts. Someone could easily find your social security number and address (tax returns) and go to town.

This is very big business, there is an unfathomably huge financial incentive for someone to gain access to our phones. I suggest checking out http://krebsonsecurity.com/ - he's written stories of "Kingpins" who have built a fortune consisting of hundreds of millions of dollars through digital identity theft. Some groups have hijacked a a combined worth of over $1 billion.

Some of these people actually have websites where you can buy stolen credit cards/Paypal accounts...etc in bulk. Heck if you buy enough they even give you a discount.

This is why big businesses don't allow rogue devices on their network.

UK banks incur nearly $5 million loss from Zeus Trojan

Arena firm loses $217,000 from a key logger installed from an email attachment.

KrebsonSecurity has a separate link specifically for attacks on small business

Here's a common example of a hacked email address leading to bank fraud

Furthermore, it has already been documented that the process of rooting your phone to add a custom ROM, can inherently make your phone less secure:

New Android Malware Attacks Custom ROMs



Considering the recent rise of Malware in the Google Play store, and rise of people downloading fake versions of Instagram, which end up installing a Trojan, it's clear there are people out there trying to infect our phones, what makes you think they wouldn't try to slip something into a custom ROM that people are downloading in large numbers?

Think about it, an entire group of people, who will download unverified copies of an operating system, from an easily anonymized source (a web forum) to put on the one device that has access to literally everything they do online?

When there was a large demand for the RC version of Widows 7, that's exactly what happened.

And your entire argument against that, is that they claim to be working with Samsung leaks, and they claim to not have modified them maliciously, and since I personally wouldn't do it, it constitutes my opinion?

My statement:



This is purely a technical argument. Technically, you are more at risk of Trojan Horses, Rootkits and undetectable Malware, when replacing your entire operating system with rogue code, than when running a .exe file. Yet, if a random guy posted a .exe file to a forum, claiming it will unlock cool new Windows features and you've got to try it, it wouldn't fly. The post would probably be deleted by the mods, since they already prohibit uploads of .exe files for that very reason.

Literally nothing you responded with is relevant to my statement, but you ended it with:

Everything you posted as an arguement is your OPINION! Again, if you dont go to XDA and mingle around and get to see who is reputable, then your not doing your homework and since you obviously are unwilling to do those things, and in fact, dont do it then you cant relate. I dont need to know anything more than that.

Opinion! I get it, you wont try it. I dont care what type of arguement you want here. Its just your opinion that doing those things isnt safe...FOR YOU! If your scared to root your phone and try different things, great! Im not.

And once again, i dont do my banking on my phone or use Paypal.I dont use Instagram either. Why are you assuming i do use those things? Your posting articles from a year ago. Think maybe that got fixed?
I think....and yes this is my Opinion, ...that it is nuts to do those things(Paypal & Banking) on your phone, but you ....obviously do so tell me how you trust doing those things?

 

[Abazigal]

Bingo! Now perhaps you can relate. Is it starting to be more clear now?

Well, if you could be bothered to type such a long and condescending post, why not, in the same time, simply explain your circumstance instead? I certainly don't see the harm in that.

When I post in my gaming forums, and if I am unable to supply a relevant link or quote for any reason, I will just state it out loud. Write that I regret that I cannot provide said information (eg: I may not have the info on hand to countercheck, am rushing for a class, or simply not convenient), but that I will do so at the earliest possible convenience (which I fully intend to do).

To me, it is not an issue of laziness, just that you are in a positon to make things easier for not just the addressee, but also any number of other users who also happen to be following said thread, rather than expect each and every one of them to go and carry out their own research.

 

[Vegastouch]

Vegas, you are one confused individual. I never said Apple "invented" Siri. I'm not sure where you got that from. Anyway, abazigal basically summed up what I was trying to tell you several posts ago. Please read and dwell on it. Thank you.

Directly no. But this is pretty close imo:

Here is something I don't get, why do people keep saying the new Galaxy is miles ahead of the iPhone? Samsung just copied the 4Ss functions and design. That spoken program is a copy of Siri.

Maybe im wrong but it looks to me that you are saying Siri is a Apple design and one of their functions...which it is their function, but they didnt design it at all.

If you didnt mean that, i appologize but many here dont seem to know that Apple didnt develope Siri. Perhaps i jumped the gun here.

Bottom line is that Apple has copied from others and copied from Android with the 4S but there is no lawsuit from Android or any Apple fans complaining about that. Its only when they think Apple was copied from someone else.

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Well, if you could be bothered to type such a long and condescending post, why not, in the same time, simply explain your circumstance instead? I certainly don't see the harm in that.

Again, i didnt have the time. There is a lot to counter there and it is in many threads if he just wanted to look. Its in any GS3 thread or any android vs iPhone thread. There are many of them. Look, many times posters are told to do a Google search. This isnt new when there is a lot of info/threads on what they are saying/asking.


Here is a link

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1374076/

Here is another:

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1375553/

Another

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1360457/

Thats just three links that took me about a minute to find and paste. Plenty of info in those.

 

[DodgeV83]

Everything you posted as an arguement is your OPINION! *Again, if you dont go to XDA and mingle around and get to see who is reputable, then your not doing your homework and since you obviously are unwilling to do those things, and in fact, dont do it then you cant relate. I dont need to know anything more than that.

Opinion! I get it, you wont try it. I dont care what type of arguement you want here. Its just your opinion that doing those things isnt safe...FOR YOU! If your scared to root your phone and try different things, great! Im not.

And once again, i dont do my banking on my phone or use Paypal.I dont use Instagram either. Why are you assuming i do use those things? Your posting articles from a year ago. Think maybe that got fixed?
*I think....and yes this is my Opinion, ...that it is nuts to do those things(Paypal & Banking) on your phone, but you ....obviously do so tell me how you trust doing those things?

I'm sorry VegasTouch, but your recent posts and use of logical fallacies to make your point, have shown you do not understand the difference between a fact and an opinion.

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-the-difference-between-fact-and-opinion.htm

Generally speaking, a fact is something that has actually happened or that is empirically true and can be supported by evidence. An opinion is a belief; it is normally subjective, meaning that it can vary based on a person's perspective, emotions, or individual understanding of something. For example, biological differences between males and females are a fact, while a preference for one gender over the other is opinion.

Definition of opinion:

http://www.google.com/search?q=definition+opinion&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&client=safari

A view or judgement formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.

Definition of fact:

http://www.google.com/search?q=defi...&bih=672&q=definition+fact&oq=definition+fact

A thing that is indisputably the case.

It is a fact that in terms of frequency of updates, timeliness of updates, and how long the devices a supported with updates, iOS wins. This is a hard number, not an opinion. This is as much opinion as 2+2 = 4 is an opinion.

Definition of security:

http://www.google.com/search?q=definition+security&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&client=safari

Freedom from risk or danger; safety.

Examples of computer insecurity:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_insecurity

Trojans, viruses, rootkits, key loggers.

It is a fact that installing custom ROMs increases the risk of installing Trojans, viruses, rootkits and keyloggers, it therefore compromises the security of the device.

This is not an opinion, my personal view of ROMs do not change the definition of the words used above. You personally thinking the additional risk is acceptable, does not translate to your actions not compromising the security of your device.

My last claim is completely technical. Technically, it is a fact that you are more at risk of Trojan Horses, Rootkits and undetectable Malware, when replacing your entire operating system with unverified code, than when running an unverified .exe file. This is technically just how operating systems work, I'm not sure which part of this you believe to be my opinion.

 

[SprSynJn]

Vegas, I think you read too much into my posts. What I said makes absolutely no reference to who made what first. What I said, which is blatantly obvious I'd think, is that Samsung copied the program. What I was implying was that people praised it as innovation for the Android platform, yet it's been on iOS well before. That was reference to someone saying that Android is light years ahead of iOS. Just to clarify, no one is ahead of anyone as far as I'm concerned. All that is offered on Android is cosmetic changes that Apple does not prefer on their phones or tablets.

For example, people note that notifications on iOS are a backwards step compared to what is on Android. I simply disagree. I think they're done much better on iOS, even on the iPad. That's preference though. I also think how Android 4.0 does that little animation when you shut off the screen is a very nice addition that would look great on iOS. Each to their own. People really should stop saying Apple is "always late to the party" and Android is "what's innovating" and all that nonsense.

Thank you for the links by the way.

 

[mrsir2009]

They got my money for a "desktop replacement" tablet a mere two years ago. It is now worth as much as a doorstopper. The second hand value is about $250 for a 64gb wifi model where I live, and that was before the announcement that it will no longer get iOS updates. Expect that to drop further.

Just because it can't get the latest iOS operating system doesn't mean it's a doorstop. Far from it. What do you want to do on your iPad 1 that you can't do with iOS5? Personally I'd be happy to go with iOS5 on my iPhone 4S forever. I'm not too fussed by iOS6.

 

[gpat]

2. Cut all my losses (the $980 for the iPad and the $1000 in iOS software) and leave for Android, where this kind of pure rat-behavior will never happen (since you can always manually upgrade devices and will NEVER be left in the dust - note that I am NOT talking about official upgrades here, I mean installing the latest vanilla Android). Excellent choice, except that it means a huge loss in software costs and time, sigh.

About this one:
Don't think that you can just root your Android phone and install Vanilla android. It's not like that. A custom ROM with vanilla Android requires an enormous amount of effort, reverse engineering, work, and coding by programmers with BIG balls. I didn't have CyanogenMod (which is a custom rom with stock Android for the extent of this discussion) fully working on my Galaxy S2 (International version) until Samsung released its official Android upgrade AND its sources, because before that it had LOTS of issues, including video recording/playback not working, battery draining, and HW video acceleration not working. It still has a lot of issues, including TV-out not working, worse battery compared to the Samsung firmware, and the accelerometer freaking out sometimes, and still it featured weeks of work from highly experienced developers, which achieved something useful only after Samsung did a lot of job.

You can't simply void an Android phone of its crap and expect it to work like you do with e.g. a Windows 7 PC. I'm telling all of this to you as an insider.

 

[roxxette]

Fragments ?

 

[gpat]

ces?

Did you know that EVERY iOS version works with EVERY version EVER of the iPhone/iPad hardware?

Did you know that iOS 6 could run on the iPhone 1?

All it takes is a small hack of the firmware to remove the artificial installation lock and allow it to be installed on an older device.

Please provide a source for this.

 

[cjmillsnun]

Everything you posted as an arguement is your OPINION! Again, if you dont go to XDA and mingle around and get to see who is reputable, then your not doing your homework and since you obviously are unwilling to do those things, and in fact, dont do it then you cant relate. I dont need to know anything more than that.

Opinion! I get it, you wont try it. I dont care what type of arguement you want here. Its just your opinion that doing those things isnt safe...FOR YOU! If your scared to root your phone and try different things, great! Im not.

And once again, i dont do my banking on my phone or use Paypal.I dont use Instagram either. Why are you assuming i do use those things? Your posting articles from a year ago. Think maybe that got fixed?
I think....and yes this is my Opinion, ...that it is nuts to do those things(Paypal & Banking) on your phone, but you ....obviously do so tell me how you trust doing those things?

Do you use email on your phone?

if so, this is the one password you really don't want to be grabbed. It should be your most secure password of all. The reason, it is where do all your other passwords get sent to?. This alone is a reason to run STOCK firmware and nothing else.

IMO banking and paypal are far safer done on something like an iPad or an iPhone (non jailbroken/rooted/custom firmware) than a Windows PC or a Mac. The web browser runs in its own sandboxed environment, and as long as you're using a SSL connection (and either 3G or encrypted WiFi), it's totally encrypted.

Flash or Java and other browser plugins are notorious for exploits, and the iPad/iPhone don't support them. Automatically you are more secure.

 

[Vegastouch]

I'm sorry VegasTouch, but your recent posts and use of logical fallacies to make your point, have shown you do not understand the difference between a fact and an opinion.

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-the-difference-between-fact-and-opinion.htm



Definition of opinion:

http://www.google.com/search?q=definition+opinion&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&client=safari



Definition of fact:

http://www.google.com/search?q=defi...&bih=672&q=definition+fact&oq=definition+fact



It is a fact that in terms of frequency of updates, timeliness of updates, and how long the devices a supported with updates, iOS wins. This is a hard number, not an opinion. This is as much opinion as 2+2 = 4 is an opinion.

Definition of security:

http://www.google.com/search?q=definition+security&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&client=safari



Examples of computer insecurity:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_insecurity



It is a fact that installing custom ROMs increases the risk of installing Trojans, viruses, rootkits and keyloggers, it therefore compromises the security of the device.

This is not an opinion, my personal view of ROMs do not change the definition of the words used above. You personally thinking the additional risk is acceptable, does not translate to your actions not compromising the security of your device.

My last claim is completely technical. Technically, it is a fact that you are more at risk of Trojan Horses, Rootkits and undetectable Malware, when replacing your entire operating system with unverified code, than when running an unverified .exe file. This is technically just how operating systems work, I'm not sure which part of this you believe to be my opinion.

Wow, when you said you were a geek, you werent kidding but dude much of this is a waste of time. You are to literal for your own good.

So...ill address a few things(dont know why im wasting my time).

It is a fact that in terms of frequency of updates, timeliness of updates, and how long the devices a supported with updates, iOS wins. This is a hard number, not an opinion. This is as much opinion as 2+2 = 4 is an opinion.

Is this what this is all about? You want to win to feel better about your phone? Apple has one phone It gets updated....once a year with a major update. So? Is that something extraordinary?
Android gets major OS's twice a year and the flagship phones get them. Not all the cheaper ones do. If you want them, you need to get a higher end phone and you will get huge updates, not weak sauce ones that Apple has been coming out with the past TWO years.

But, you win if it makes you feel better. It doesnt bother me. Its not about winning for me. Its about what you like better and i like Android better....for my phone with what both platforms offer.

It is a fact that installing custom ROMs increases the risk of installing Trojans, viruses, rootkits and keyloggers, it therefore compromises the security of the device.

Technically,... you can say that but i know NO ONE that has gotton those things from where i go. Until you can show me a FACT that there was a Trojan or a Virus that came from the devs that do Samsung ROM's at XDA ...you have NO FACTS, didnt show any in this regard but want credit for posting what the definition of a fact is? Your lame definitions links are useless.
Im only saying it is possible but Any Dev doing crap like that would be reported and banned and that isnt what they are there for but your more than welcome to show me where a Dev there has made things that gave Trojans and Virus' at the Samsung section. I installed that Security app that also scans for virus and malware that was free that i posted before(Lookout) and after using it, my phone has no issues and ive had it two years. It scans everything immediately(Apps and such) after i install it.

So again i will repeat, you havent done it, havent been to the development site, havent seen what they do, havent been involved so you acting like this is some ROM that i(and other who go there) am getting from Craigslist from some Joe who we know nothing about and i just answered his add saying he "made this great ROM please try it out"... and i/we downloaded it blindly is ridiculous. I am sorry but you are talking out of your behind on this one.

The XDA developers side of that site has been a great place and they have made some spectacular things so please...you have no clue what you are talking about other than to say it is more risky. Not everything you do is risk free but i this case, it is very small and if something isnt compatible...i know how to fix it and if i need help, there are plenty there who are more than willing to help.

This is not an opinion, my personal view of ROMs do not change the definition of the words used above. You personally thinking the additional risk is acceptable, does not translate to your actions not compromising the security of your device.

What do you care what i do with MY device? You just keep repeating yourself is all you do.

 

[steviem]

2. Cut all my losses (the $980 for the iPad and the $1000 in iOS software) and leave for Android, where this kind of pure rat-behavior will never happen (since you can always manually upgrade devices and will NEVER be left in the dust - note that I am NOT talking about official upgrades here, I mean installing the latest vanilla Android). Excellent choice, except that it means a huge loss in software costs and time, sigh.

If you go for no. 2, might I suggest you only go for Nexus products. This way you know you'll have an unlocked boot loader and won't be stifled by the manufacturer when you want to get the latest update or root yourAndroid devices. It does mean you'll have to wait for a Nexus tablet, but perhaps there'll be on after Google IO. Not all Android devices are as open as we'd hope. However, your superior skill and knowledge over us mere mortals means you'll have your own AOSP derived build anyway... Hey, maybe you won't need to ditch your iPad's hardware, you could hack it to put ICS on there yourself

I did have the same feeling as you when the original iPhone didn't get a proper A2DP profile, it had Bluetooth on it, Apple was screwing little old me over! So I went with a Galaxy. Boy was that a mistake. Couldn't run any of the decent updates or apps that google gave, because the difference between 1.6 and 2.0 was pretty huge, Drakaz was trying hard, but couldn't get anywhere, so I bought a 3G a friend was selling and was happy when I could access my video again and didn't have to worry about rooting.

When the iPad was announced, I was smitten. I was working at an international publisher and one of the managers had visited New York and brought back an iPad. I'd used the iPad 4 times there and when it was released in the UK, I was at Westfield drinking free lattes and waiting to get my hands on my own one.

I did get tired of 2 devices, sold the iPhone and iPad in December that year and got a Galaxy Tab (the original 7). It could've been great if Samsung hadn't left it hamstrung with Touchwiz and a difficult method to reflash it. Sold it and got an Orange San Francisco (ZTE Blade) and kept my money for an iPad 2. That was actually my best Android phone. Next up, I moved to the US. My new work got me an ipad 2 for a very good price. My wife added me to her family plan on Sprint and all they had was the Epic 4G. Yuck. Touchwiz did it again. GPS was poor on it, battery life, unacceptable even with just 3G running. A leaked build of Gingerbread helped a little, but Apple announce the iPhone on Sprint and I went and laid down $600 (inc tax) on an iPhone 4. A week later, Samsung released their Gingerbread build for the Epic 4G, but it really was too little, too late.

My intention now is to upgrade on every other generation for my iPad and iPhone. I have too much invested in the ecosystem now to be so bitchy about apple's upgrade cycle. Your iPad hasn't mysteriously stopped working, do you even have iOS 6 installed?

 

[DodgeV83]

Wow, when you said you were a geek, you werent kidding but dude much of this is a waste of time. You are to literal for your own good.

So...ill address a few things(dont know why im wasting my time).




Is this what this is all about? You want to win to feel better about your phone? Apple has one phone It gets updated....once a year with a major update. So? Is that something extraordinary?
Android gets major OS's twice a year and the flagship phones get them. Not all the cheaper ones do. If you want them, you need to get a higher end phone and you will get huge updates, not weak sauce ones that Apple has been coming out with the past TWO years.

But, you win if it makes you feel better. It doesnt bother me. Its not about winning for me. Its about what you like better and i like Android better....for my phone with what both platforms offer.



Technically,... you can say that but i know NO ONE that has gotton those things from where i go. Until you can show me a FACT that there was a Trojan or a Virus that came from the devs that do Samsung ROM's at XDA ...you have NO FACTS, didnt show any in this regard but want credit for posting what the definition of a fact is? Your lame definitions links are useless.
Im only saying it is possible but Any Dev doing crap like that would be reported and banned and that isnt what they are there for but your more than welcome to show me where a Dev there has made things that gave Trojans and Virus' at the Samsung section. I installed that Security app that also scans for virus and malware that was free that i posted before(Lookout) and after using it, my phone has no issues and ive had it two years. It scans everything immediately(Apps and such) after i install it.

So again i will repeat, you havent done it, havent been to the development site, havent seen what they do, havent been involved so you acting like this is some ROM that i(and other who go there) am getting from Craigslist from some Joe who we know nothing about and i just answered his add saying he "made this great ROM please try it out"... and i/we downloaded it blindly is ridiculous. I am sorry but you are talking out of your behind on this one.

The XDA developers side of that site has been a great place and they have made some spectacular things so please...you have no clue what you are talking about other than to say it is more risky. Not everything you do is risk free but i this case, it is very small and if something isnt compatible...i know how to fix it and if i need help, there are plenty there who are more than willing to help.




What do you care what i do with MY device? You just keep repeating yourself is all you do.

The debate was never about what you do with your device, nor was it about my feelings, nor your assumptions about which websites I have visited. It wasn't about you personally knowing someone who has contracted malware from a specific site, nor any specific devs at XDA, nor security apps. It wasn't about some XDA developers doing great things, nor your knowing how to fix problems, nor how many people are willing to help if something goes wrong.

The debate was about the accuracy of my statements, which you now admit were correct.

 

[Vegastouch]

The debate was never about what you do with your device, nor was it about my feelings, nor your assumptions about which websites I have visited. It wasn't about you personally knowing someone who has contracted malware from a specific site, nor any specific devs at XDA, nor security apps. It wasn't about some XDA developers doing great things, nor your knowing how to fix problems, nor how many people are willing to help if something goes wrong.

The debate was about the accuracy of my statements, which you now admit were correct.

Is that what I did? Lol. You still haven't presented any facts for where I go to get custom roms. I just said it was possible but it's possible to get a virus from iTunes App store as well.
But if it means I don't have to read your repetitive posts any longer, then by all means you can be the winner..... Of whatever it is your seeking.