So you say Android it fragmented?

[crushvic]

this is awesome, ios6 is a really big update .... i love apple.... now you can compete very well with android 2.2 FROYO ..
suck that android fan you cannot catch us you are 4 years behind
when the iphone 5 is release the galaxy y /mini and other android mid range device will be put in shame.



IOS: y you no update android.

ANDROID: because even android 2.2froyo is enough to compete to ios6, ios7, ios8 and the future update of your os

 

[DodgeV83]

Those werent claims. They were your opinion which were actually kind of ridiculous that i doubt you even experienced with an Android.

My claims are not based on my opinion. Claim #1 is based on comparing numbers, #2 refers to standard security protocol in the computer industry, and #3 is based on what is technically possible with an infected .exe installer vs an infected OS installer.

Claim #1: In terms of updates (how long it takes to receive them on your device once released, how long your device is supported...etc), Android is quite literally the worst OS (mobile or not) being sold on the market today.

Claim #2: Installing an unofficial operating system, completely overwriting the operating system that shipped with the device, from a random guy posting in a message forum, is not a secure solution.

Claim #3: Replacing the entire operating system with one posted by a random guy on a message forum, is worse than running a .exe posted by a random guy on a message forum.

 

[Vegastouch]

My claims are not based on my opinion. Claim #1 is based on comparing numbers, #2 refers to standard security protocol in the computer industry, and #3 is based on what is technically possible with an infected .exe installer vs an infected OS installer.

Claim #1: In terms of updates (how long it takes to receive them on your device once released, how long your device is supported...etc), Android is quite literally the worst OS (mobile or not) being sold on the market today.

You said:

In terms of updates, Android is quite literally the worst OS (mobile or not) being sold on the market today.

Overall, perhaps. There are many, many different android devices and they all arent going to get the big updates. You want them, get a flagship phone or a nexus line phone. Apple has one phone and it takes a year to get a major update....and those , the last two have been underwhelming.

Is it the worst OS on the market today? Well no, its OS is right now better than iOS. So, i call that an Opinion!

Claim #2: Installing an unofficial operating system, completely overwriting the operating system that shipped with the device, from a random guy posting in a message forum, is not a secure solution.

Random guy? I take it you dont go to the XDA site. Those devs use leaks from Samsung(which has been the phone ive used) so they make custom ROM's based off of Samsungs OS leaks and use that script. So you wouldnt do it, and like i said, things i doubt you have done with an Android.

So, ill call that an Opinion.

Claim #3: Replacing the entire operating system with one posted by a random guy on a message forum, is worse than running a .exe posted by a random guy on a message forum.

WTH are you even talking about here? Like i said, things i doubt you have done with an Android and most likely never been to XDA, so you really dont know.
Its a lot like not looking at somebodys rating and record buying or selling something on eBay. Use your head. Ive never had a any trouble with the devs at XDA and many watch out for trouble makers or whiners whe nthey show up.... and the devs and other posters are actually quite helpful.

They put a lot of work into those custom ROMs and want you to try their work so they arent going to screw you over. They want to expand themselves. Some even go on to develope Apps or just perhaps maybe like to get a small donation for all the work they have done.

Again, ill call that an Opinion!

 

[SprSynJn]

I mentioned two things. Do a Google search. That seems to be a lost art in here.

Looks like you edited your post. Nice one.

I never said the iPhone didn't copy. I was just trying to point out that Android does as well. Yet when something is released in that camp, people praise it like it's new. It's not new, it never is. Nor is the Galaxy miles ahead of the iPhone. Siri is something of an innovation. Live screen wallpaper, or whatever it's called, and widgets are not. You still haven't pointed out what makes the Galaxy, and other Android devices, so much better. I can see how they might be for people wo love to customize, but what else? I would like to know.

P.S. notifications were around before Android was. If you're referring to the Notification Center, yes that was obviously taken from Google. But Google took it from some other phone company, did they not? As a matter of fact, most of their features have come from other companies if I'm not mistaken. Hell, even their web services are nothing new.

 

[Vegastouch]

Looks like you edited your post. Nice one.

I never said the iPhone didn't copy. I was just trying to point out that Android does as well. Yet when something is released in that camp, people praise it like it's new. It's not new, it never is. Nor is the Galaxy miles ahead of the iPhone. Siri is something of an innovation. Live screen wallpaper, or whatever it's called, and widgets are not. You still haven't pointed out what makes the Galaxy, and other Android devices, so much better. I can see how they might be for people wo love to customize, but what else? I would like to know.

P.S. notifications were around before Android was. If you're referring to the Notification Center, yes that was obviously taken from Google. But Google took it from some other phone company, did they not? As a matter of fact, most of their features have come from other companies if I'm not mistaken. Hell, even their web services are nothing new.

It's been discussed many times in here so sorry if i dont want to repeat it yet again. The information is there so do a Google search which many like you are told to do often.
You said all Samsung did was copy the 4s which is just laughable. There are threads on this all over. Go find one.

 

[SprSynJn]

It's been discussed many times in here so sorry if i dont want to repeat it yet again. The information is there so do a Google search which many like you are told to do often.
You said all Samsung did was copy the 4s which is just laughable. There are threads on this all over. Go find one.

You keep referring to other posts, but that doesn't mean diddly squat to justify that sort of comment. I have seen many articles on what the phone does, and what Android's newest operating system does. I've played around with it too. It was great eye candy, that's for sure. But other than that, I saw nothing else. There's face recognition in it, so that I'll say is something worth mentioning. However, my old standard phone that I purchased here in Japan back in 2007 did that as well. It's nothing new. Something like Siri has not been done on a phone, so that is something new. I'm sorry, but your logic is quite flawed if you think a few cosmetic upgrades is worth calling it advanced.

 

[Vegastouch]

You keep referring to other posts, but that doesn't mean diddly squat to justify that sort of comment. I have seen many articles on what the phone does, and what Android's newest operating system does. I've played around with it too. It was great eye candy, that's for sure. But other than that, I saw nothing else. There's face recognition in it, so that I'll say is something worth mentioning. However, my old standard phone that I purchased here in Japan back in 2007 did that as well. It's nothing new. Something like Siri has not been done on a phone, so that is something new. I'm sorry, but your logic is quite flawed if you think a few cosmetic upgrades is worth calling it advanced.

Lol, i guess your lazy. Exactly why I refuse to find the things you want to see for you. And Siri was a app in iTunes two years before the 4s came out so it isn't something innovation. They didn't invent it.

Do a search Son. There are many topics. Just go to the thread for the gs3 hands on review. Plenty there for you to read since you clearly have no idea. If not, have a nice day. I've got a busy day starting so no time to hold your hand.

 

[cjmillsnun]

So you say don't buy an Android device because you won't get updates? So tell me, what good is it to buy an iphone or ipad if it's not gonna get the upgrade and features that come with the next OS? Or if it's not gonna have the hardware to run the new OS smoothly. I'll never tell another person stick with the iPhone because you'll get updates!! People in glass houses....

Hang on. The 3GS gets this release. That is a 3 year old phone.

Admittedly the iPad (First Gen) doesn't and that is a disappointment.

 

[nooaah]

So you say don't buy an Android device because you won't get updates? So tell me, what good is it to buy an iphone or ipad if it's not gonna get the upgrade and features that come with the next OS? Or if it's not gonna have the hardware to run the new OS smoothly. I'll never tell another person stick with the iPhone because you'll get updates!! People in glass houses....

The phone you bought in 2009 (3GS) will have the current operating system through 2013 and you're whining? Can't make everyone happy, I guess.

 

[SprSynJn]

So this is what a kid with a blind fascination for a certain product posts like. Thank you for showing me Vegas. You go ahead and enjoy your "revolutionary" phone and keep trying to think of reasons as to why it's better. I'm sure you'll come up with some, eventually. Man, what a waste of time you turned out to be. All arrogant with nothing to show for it.

 

[cjmillsnun]

Did you know that EVERY iOS version works with EVERY version EVER of the iPhone/iPad hardware?

Did you know that iOS 6 could run on the iPhone 1?

All it takes is a small hack of the firmware to remove the artificial installation lock and allow it to be installed on an older device.

Absolute Bullcrap!

Show me iOS5 running on an iPhone 3G.

If it was an artificial lockout, someone in the jailbreak community would've removed it and the latest version of iOS would be running and available to download for me to put on my wife's iPhone 3G..

Oh... It's not available!

 

[steviem]

So this is what a kid with a blind fascination for a certain product posts like. Thank you for showing me Vegas. You go ahead and enjoy your "revolutionary" phone and keep trying to think of reasons as to why it's better. I'm sure you'll come up with some, eventually. Man, what a waste of time you turned out to be. All arrogant with nothing to show for it.

I'm sure that made sense before going through Google translate.

 

[Vegastouch]

So this is what a kid with a blind fascination for a certain product posts like. Thank you for showing me Vegas. You go ahead and enjoy your "revolutionary" phone and keep trying to think of reasons as to why it's better. I'm sure you'll come up with some, eventually. Man, what a waste of time you turned out to be. All arrogant with nothing to show for it.

No, it's what a kid does to take the. easy way out. Ask someone to find things for them. There is a thread that's been going on for days on this. I told you the title, go find it. Your the one who is wasting ones time. I dont have any fascination. I know what's different, you are the one in the dark who thinks Apple invented Siri.
Typically laziness.

 

[Sir Ruben]

Haha keep drinking the Apple Kool aid if you think an iPhone 3GS is more powerful than an iPad 1. You seem to think that's the case, since you think the list of supported devices is "fair".

Did you know that iOS lockouts are an artificial limit set by the almighty Apple to lock people out and force them to throw away perfectly good devices?

Did you know that EVERY iOS version works with EVERY version EVER of the iPhone/iPad hardware?

Did you know that iOS 6 could run on the iPhone 1?

All it takes is a small hack of the firmware to remove the artificial installation lock and allow it to be installed on an older device.

Ever asked yourself why Apple does things like "no multitouch swipe to switch application on iPad 1" and then re-activates the feature after public outrage?

Ever asked yourself why the iOS 6 upgrade has features like "6. Offline Reading List will be available on iPhone 4 or later and iPad 2 or later." - a freaking bookmarking feature that "magically" requires higher models than the iPhone 3GS?

Apple artificially locks portions of their software for older models, just to sell newer models. Moreover, they completely lock out certain models, again just to sell models.

They are scum, little freaking rats that can't give people what they paid for - it would take them *one* little click to enable the update for all old devices, but instead it's up to hackers to make the change.

So, early adopters of the iPad 1 bought it thinking they got a "post-PC device", a desktop replacement revolution, and are now - two mere years later - totally out of sh~t luck thanks to Apple being little rats that artificially limit what devices can install the software - despite *all* devices running the same ARM architecture and *all* devices being able to run *every* feature of iOS 6.

There isn't even ANYTHING in iOS 6 that the iPad 1 can't do, hardware-spec wise.

Again: Apple are scum.

Thousands of dollars invested in hardware and software in my iPad 1 and now they made the iPad 1 unsellable, and soon software will be requiring iOS6. Again: Apple are scum. If I didn't have a huge collection of iOS software, I would sell all my iOS devices and be on Android tomorrow.

And don't sidestep my arguments with some lame "oh wow another Android fanboy, you'll be back soon" or similar thing - I used to strongly dislike Android and utterly loved iOS, until I saw that my brother's Android tablet was far more free (as in freedoms), software-upgradable, customizable and capable than iOS. No limits on what type of software they allow - such as torrenting, video players, emulators, etc - all allowed. And anyone can install the latest Android OS version (even if the manufacturer hasn't officially released a version yet) by installing a vanilla Android build.

There's NEVER any risk of devices becoming ARTIFICIALLY obsolete when you run Android. I wish I could take back all my investment in iOS and ditch this evil platform.

Just have a look at all the features Apple artificially locks you out of, and then try telling me again that they're the good guys. No way.




"As far as you know" is not good enough - Go to http://www.apple.com/ios/ios6/ and scroll down to the bottom:



These are all artificial locks. Every device is capable of running all these features, as proven by hacking the firmware to enable the features even on older devices that Apple would prefer you upgrading away from.

Oh Aitte you have just given me a right old chuckle with that uber rant. I knew I was in for a decent rage out when you said "They are scum, little freaking rats" I think I spluttered at my desk at that one

Dude you are freaking out that your 2 yr old tablet (and lets remember how fast tech is moving on) is becoming less and less supported? Man I have images of how angry you looked sitting there typing all that. Pure comedy gold. It doesnt stop working just because you cant install IO6 so all of your current apps that you spent so much cash on will continue to work.

Saying that, if I were you, Id turn that frown upsidedown, flog that old tablet on the cheap, and treat yourself to a retina display ipad 3, I feel like Im having my eyeballs massaged by angels every time I use it

 

[Prof.]

Was I the only one who read the OP in a condescending Wonka voice?

 

[nomik2]

They are only bringing the software update to products that they are currently selling.

I thought that was obvious...

 

[steviem]

this is awesome, ios6 is a really big update .... i love apple.... now you can compete very well with android 2.2 FROYO ..
suck that android fan you cannot catch us you are 4 years behind
when the iphone 5 is release the galaxy y /mini and other android mid range device will be put in shame.



IOS: y you no update android.

ANDROID: because even android 2.2froyo is enough to compete to ios6, ios7, ios8 and the future update of your os

Yeah, so the Samsung Galaxy (i7500) and the iPhone 3GS both announced in June 2009. Samsung supported the Galaxy to an amazing Android 1.6. Even the 3GS with 'fake' iOS 6 is miles better than that...

 

[Parise]

Yeah, so the Samsung Galaxy (i7500) and the iPhone 3GS both announced in June 2009. Samsung supported the Galaxy to an amazing Android 1.6. Even the 3GS with 'fake' iOS 6 is miles better than that...

I do like Android, but man this fragmentation thing is going to kill them.

It's nice knowing that when I hear about an app/feature being released, I dont have to worry about it not working on my phone.

 

[cynics]

Yeah, so the Samsung Galaxy (i7500) and the iPhone 3GS both announced in June 2009. Samsung supported the Galaxy to an amazing Android 1.6. Even the 3GS with 'fake' iOS 6 is miles better than that...

OG Droid got an update back in November. It won't get ICS obviously due to hardware and small amount of people still using it (I only know two people personally). Regardless it's still getting updates.

Also a lot of google functions aren't tied into the OS. You can get updates for maps, google voice, google search, google play, google music, gmail app, email app, google movies, books, etc etc etc without getting a whole new OS.

I think A LOT of people over look that fact.

Basically everything noted about iOS 6 are common updates with Android. Just your OS version number doesn't increase.

 

[cwood1009]

Haha keep drinking the Apple Kool aid if you think an iPhone 3GS is more powerful than an iPad 1. You seem to think that's the case, since you think the list of supported devices is "fair".

Did you know that iOS lockouts are an artificial limit set by the almighty Apple to lock people out and force them to throw away perfectly good devices?

Did you know that EVERY iOS version works with EVERY version EVER of the iPhone/iPad hardware?

Did you know that iOS 6 could run on the iPhone 1?

All it takes is a small hack of the firmware to remove the artificial installation lock and allow it to be installed on an older device.

Ever asked yourself why Apple does things like "no multitouch swipe to switch application on iPad 1" and then re-activates the feature after public outrage?

Ever asked yourself why the iOS 6 upgrade has features like "6. Offline Reading List will be available on iPhone 4 or later and iPad 2 or later." - a freaking bookmarking feature that "magically" requires higher models than the iPhone 3GS?

Apple artificially locks portions of their software for older models, just to sell newer models. Moreover, they completely lock out certain models, again just to sell models.

They are scum, little freaking rats that can't give people what they paid for - it would take them *one* little click to enable the update for all old devices, but instead it's up to hackers to make the change.

So, early adopters of the iPad 1 bought it thinking they got a "post-PC device", a desktop replacement revolution, and are now - two mere years later - totally out of sh~t luck thanks to Apple being little rats that artificially limit what devices can install the software - despite *all* devices running the same ARM architecture and *all* devices being able to run *every* feature of iOS 6.

There isn't even ANYTHING in iOS 6 that the iPad 1 can't do, hardware-spec wise.

Again: Apple are scum.

Thousands of dollars invested in hardware and software in my iPad 1 and now they made the iPad 1 unsellable, and soon software will be requiring iOS6. Again: Apple are scum. If I didn't have a huge collection of iOS software, I would sell all my iOS devices and be on Android tomorrow.

And don't sidestep my arguments with some lame "oh wow another Android fanboy, you'll be back soon" or similar thing - I used to strongly dislike Android and utterly loved iOS, until I saw that my brother's Android tablet was far more free (as in freedoms), software-upgradable, customizable and capable than iOS. No limits on what type of software they allow - such as torrenting, video players, emulators, etc - all allowed. And anyone can install the latest Android OS version (even if the manufacturer hasn't officially released a version yet) by installing a vanilla Android build.

There's NEVER any risk of devices becoming ARTIFICIALLY obsolete when you run Android. I wish I could take back all my investment in iOS and ditch this evil platform.

Just have a look at all the features Apple artificially locks you out of, and then try telling me again that they're the good guys. No way.




"As far as you know" is not good enough - Go to http://www.apple.com/ios/ios6/ and scroll down to the bottom:



These are all artificial locks. Every device is capable of running all these features, as proven by hacking the firmware to enable the features even on older devices that Apple would prefer you upgrading away from.

They are artificial locks because apple doesnt want you to install ios6 on a iphone1 and then call and complain because its unusably slow. The reason that some of the newer devices get more features is because they can run the new features effortlessly. You cant expect a ipad 1 to do the graphics processing of a multicore ipad 2 or 3. Siri's not included on iphone 3gs/4 so you wont get any features connected to that. The main reason Siri's not on iphone 3gs/4 is processing voice takes alot. I dont agree that its not on the ipad 2 however. Apple is and always will be about the experience. They will not support letting a device run these features that will just not work right on that device.

 

[cjmillsnun]

You said:



Overall, perhaps. There are many, many different android devices and they all arent going to get the big updates. You want them, get a flagship phone or a nexus line phone. Apple has one phone and it takes a year to get a major update....and those , the last two have been underwhelming.

Is it the worst OS on the market today? Well no, its OS is right now better than iOS. So, i call that an Opinion!

Apple has three phones for sale at the moment. One of which was released in 2009. ALL are getting the update.

Random guy? I take it you dont go to the XDA site. Those devs use leaks from Samsung(which has been the phone ive used) so they make custom ROM's based off of Samsungs OS leaks and use that script. So you wouldnt do it, and like i said, things i doubt you have done with an Android.

So, ill call that an Opinion.

You said it yourself. They make CUSTOM ROMS based on Samsung's OS leaks. Ergo they dick around with it... That is a major security risk. That's not an opinion, that is fact.

WTH are you even talking about here? Like i said, things i doubt you have done with an Android and most likely never been to XDA, so you really dont know.
Its a lot like not looking at somebodys rating and record buying or selling something on eBay. Use your head. Ive never had a any trouble with the devs at XDA and many watch out for trouble makers or whiners whe nthey show up.... and the devs and other posters are actually quite helpful.

They put a lot of work into those custom ROMs and want you to try their work so they arent going to screw you over. They want to expand themselves. Some even go on to develope Apps or just perhaps maybe like to get a small donation for all the work they have done.

Again, ill call that an Opinion!

Again, they can hide any sort of spyware/keyboard logger or that sort of thing in their firmware and you wouldn't know.

Someone other than the manufacturer or you (if you know what you're doing) dicking around with the OS on your phone is a major security risk. That's not opinion, that's fact.

That doesn't mean that the people at XDA devs have done that, just that there is the potential for them to do that, and it is unlikely you would even know they had.

 

[Greenman85]

I just said I wished I could. I've silently tolerated devices being killed off in the past, like the iPhone 3G because it really was a much slower device and at least kind of understandable. But when they artificially kill off the mere 2 year old, very powerful iPad 1, I just saw them for who they really are.

I paid $980 for my iPad 1 as I was one of the very very early adopters. I've also spent about $1000 in iOS software.

There are now 3 options:
1. Try to sell the iPad 1 for $1 to someone dumb enough to want a device that Apple doesn't allow to be upgraded, then spend that $1 towards the iPad 4. This is what Apple wants.
2. Cut all my losses (the $980 for the iPad and the $1000 in iOS software) and leave for Android, where this kind of pure rat-behavior will never happen (since you can always manually upgrade devices and will NEVER be left in the dust - note that I am NOT talking about official upgrades here, I mean installing the latest vanilla Android). Excellent choice, except that it means a huge loss in software costs and time, sigh.
3. Keep using the iPad 1 with iOS 5 until more and more software requires iOS 6, thereby feeding into the urge to get a newer device that can run the newer OS - exactly the reason why Apple artificially limits the OS in this way in the first place.


Another option is to always sell your iOS devices about 3 months before the new one is released, to unsuspecting buyers, while the value is still high, and then always stay on the bleeding edge of latest hardware releases, to never be shafted on updates by Apple. But that's a huge cost to pay, with the constant hardware upgrades.

In short: Apple sure makes it hard to like them.

Damn man. You are one stupid consumer. You bought products you hate.

 

[SprSynJn]

I'm sure that made sense before going through Google translate.

English not your first language?

No, it's what a kid does to take the. easy way out. Ask someone to find things for them.

Exactly what you did "son". Not sure you meant to label yourself there, but you did well. Now I know who to avoid next time I want a good discussion.

 

[surma884]

So you say don't buy an Android device because you won't get updates? So tell me, what good is it to buy an iphone or ipad if it's not gonna get the upgrade and features that come with the next OS? Or if it's not gonna have the hardware to run the new OS smoothly. I'll never tell another person stick with the iPhone because you'll get updates!! People in glass houses....

This is what most people don't get. Fragmentation is unavoidable when it comes to different generations of the SAME PRODUCT. Apple only sells ONE PHONE. That one phone has multiple generations, and as that ONE phone evolves the older phones will not have all the features of the latest phone.

With Android there are MULTIPLE PHONES from different manufacturers and they all run different hardware, screens, and OS versions.

 

[Vegastouch]

Exactly what you did "son". Not sure you meant to label yourself there, but you did well. Now I know who to avoid next time I want a good discussion.

Funny, Your the one who wants to know something but I took the easy way out?

Ive been in on many of these discussions. I just didnt have time today. There are many threads on this and you can Google it to find what you want, you just dont want to. At least browse thru the threads, there is plenty to find. So if you want to avoid me, i dont care and it wont hurt my feelings. There are plenty of others here. You thought Apple invented Siri and i just told you they didnt and that it was just an App in the App store two years ago. I told you that Apple didnt invent the touch screen and werent the first ones to have it. I would think you might want to know more and do a search but nooo.

I dont think telling you to do a Google search is out of line. If you dont like seeing that, you wont like it here because if your unwilling to search, it wont be the last time you see it.