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If people choose security over the ability to jailbreak they deserve whatever happens to them.
I think you have this backwards.
Um... you're on Edge there. 150kbps is pretty typical of Edge speeds.
That's the point - he was talking about how unlocking isn't really worth it in the US.
same here

mywi you have to pay $10 for. same with the sms apps. if i ever have a need to tether i'll just pay the $20 to AT&T for that month and expense from my employer. and i'm not paying $10 for smilies in texts.

I'd rather not lose my unlimited data plan, thanks :)

the themes look like they were done by a 5 year old and get old after 20 minutes

Most I've seen, don't - although I've mostly seen what other people here like, so that tends to pre-filter out the bad ones :)
 
I don't think this is so much about jailbreaking but more about someone being able to really mess with your phone by just going to a website. This puts million of users who don't even care about jailbreaking at risk. Not good at all.




I have dealt with Dell's business support and it has been hit or miss. By far the worst I have had to deal with is HP's. Since our company decided to switch to HP it has been one headache after another. We finally ended up just dropping them all together after a very short run with them.

troubleshooting RAM on a server with HP is always fun

get an alert that a RAM stick is bad
call HP support
they tell you to rearrange the RAM in different ports to see if the problem continues. or say you have a server with 32GB of RAM. they ask you to take it down to 8GB and then put the RAM back in two sticks at a time
 
Oh brother.

Yes! Yes! Turning on your phone will make it be teh haxor target!1!1

Wait :rolleyes: no it won't.

How likely are you to come up against a PDF from a legitimate website that has this exploit? (not astalavisa.box.sk/PDFEXPLOITiPHONETEST.pdf)

Not terribly likely, but trusted, legitimate sites have been hacked before and resulted in trojans and worms being spread to unsuspecting users. (Windows users, anyway.)

Better yet, does ANYONE have a sample of the payload in action besides the jailbreak?

Ah. Arguing from ignorance.

Aboslutely *anybody* can get the sample payload by visiting the jailbreak site with a browser set up to 'look like' Safari on iPhone.

I'm not saying this isn't serious, but foaming at the mouth fantasizing about exploding hacked iPhones is FUD.

Nope. It's a very real threat. Odds are Apple is busy running a 4.0.2 update through their testing process so they can release it ASAP.

Anywho, On some third party sites people are very skewed on the situation.
Hackers target SSH enabled phones with default passwords -> JailBroken iPhones hacked -> iPhones Hacked -> Headline: iPhone is the most unsecured phone on the planet nobody is safe.

True, that was bad reporting.

Jailbreak uses PDF exploit -> PDFs hack iPhone -> iPhones Hacked -> Headline : iPhone is the most unsecured phone on the planet doom is inevitable.

You're missing the first step to this chain though, which greatly changes the accuracy of the reporting.
iPhone has remote root exploit -> Jailbreak uses PDF exploit -> PDFs hack iPhone -> iPhones Hacked -> Headline : iPhone is the most unsecured phone on the planet doom is inevitable

BTW i'm 100% pro jailbreak because I know they are a talented bunch. Even if you disagree with "the movement", every time they exploit something that's another thing that Apple clearly missed and will have patched in the next revision. The time in between an exploits uncovering and it's patching may have you feeling vulnerable, but so far most (if not all?) exploits have been cooked up in the lab and POC to death-To date there haven't been any wild outbreaks that affect non-jb users.

I think the jailbreaking teams provide a useful service to people. Unfortunately, this isn't a route they should have used. This is an exploit that they should simply have alerted Apple to, rather than releasing an exploit to the wild.

Why? The way they did it, they have people *complaining* that Apple wants to fix an remote root exploit that doesn't even require an affirmative action from the user. Basic security 101 says that's the *worst* sort of exploit, and it should be fixed ASAP. In fact, this is the sort of fix that I'd support Apple 'forcing' on everyone by not letting them connect to the App Store until they'd done the update.

... my firm is fine, thanks. All of my boxes are tended to with TLC.

Hopefully not by you.

Tell you what. You show me one person who has gotten "owned" by this exploit in the wild and...
...Wait a minute. You didn't answer my question earlier. Do YOU have access to the payload? Can you link me? is there a white paper I can read? Exactly how many people have access to the exploit?

No way to know, but I can guarantee it's more than just the jailbreak team. (Someone posted the hex dump of the PDF file to an earlier thread, demonstrating that it is more than possible to get access to the exploit.) Should we assume that just because we don't know who has it, it's not dangerous? I agree with WRX. I hope for the sake of whatever company you work for, you have nothing to do with systems security. You simply don't seem understand even the most basic aspects of the issue.

Like I said earlier, this is a serious hole BUT there have been no outbreaks in the past and as far as we know Comex et al are the only ones on the planet (besides Apple) who know whats what , so pretending that people are walking around getting hacked is just plain silly.

Anybody who has used the jailbreak site has had their iPhone 'owned' by this exploit. The fact that the currently most known people who are utilizing this exploit are not malicious doesn't change the fact that the flaw is exceedingly dangerous.
 
In fact, this is the sort of fix that I'd support Apple 'forcing' on everyone by not letting them connect to the App Store until they'd done the update.

So wouldn't that mean that every affected iOS device would thereby need an update? Even those iOSs that Apple is no longer supporting (say version 3.1)?
 
Why? The way they did it, they have people *complaining* that Apple wants to fix an remote root exploit that doesn't even require an affirmative action from the user. Basic security 101 says that's the *worst* sort of exploit, and it should be fixed ASAP. In fact, this is the sort of fix that I'd support Apple 'forcing' on everyone by not letting them connect to the App Store until they'd done the update.

At least someone else is sane here. Good to hear someone knows something about network/computer security and understands the issue at hand here. There's a very thin line to cross between proof of concept exploit code in the wild and full on malware. Let's hope this is patched and users actually have the sense to update before someone decides to exploit this for more nefarious purposes. Let's hope the whole jailbreakme.com debacle doesn't make users think twice about updating.

And Eddy, yes, phones are being owned by this exploit, try jailbreakme.com. :rolleyes: The guy basically tells you before he does it, but it's no less exploiting the flaw and executing a payload on the phone. And if he knows about it and how to do it (and about anyone who's into security knows about it since Charlie Miller is the one who discovered this flaw and he has documented it) there are others that know too.
 
Lot of arguing in here.

For those of us who jailbreak, I don't think we're arguing that Apple don't fix the hole. They should, it's their product, and they should secure it.

But, it's really not asking a whole lot of Apple to have a switch somewhere that says:
"I understand that turning the vulnerability fix off makes me vulnerable, but I'm doing it for jailbreaking" Yes/no
... because we already know that the act of jailbreaking protects us from further exploits of the same kind.

But, the fact is, Apple won't do it and that's what pisses us off.

No matter, we just got a major OS upgrade and we're jailbroken and unlocked. This will keep us happy for a while to come...
 
Agree to an extent. My point is that they have zero care about people, the consumer. What they care about is the system that does benefit all parties involved but obviously great benefits Apple.

I think Apple cares about the overall experience people have because that is what makes them money. Their market share isn't large enough to warrant pure crap and still make a profit. What you are talking about is just capitalism. So many people here act like Apple is evil because of it. They aren't perfect, neither is anyone else. And in capitalism, we vote with our wallets.
 
Let's hope this is patched and users actually have the sense to update before someone decides to exploit this for more nefarious purposes. Let's hope the whole jailbreakme.com debacle doesn't make users think twice about updating.
Exactly. It's amazing the ignorance of some Apple fanboys. They roast Microsoft and Adobe for these kinds of holes and demand a fix because it puts them at risk, but when Apple does it, it's OK because it gives users a way to jailbreak.
 
troubleshooting RAM on a server with HP is always fun

get an alert that a RAM stick is bad
call HP support
they tell you to rearrange the RAM in different ports to see if the problem continues. or say you have a server with 32GB of RAM. they ask you to take it down to 8GB and then put the RAM back in two sticks at a time

To say the least. I do have to say, we have two "superdomes" that is what we call it, can't remember the correct name off the bat. HP has been down right outstanding when either of these two superdomes need anything done whether maintenance trouble shooting etc. The other stuff well they sucked and sucked really really bad. We still have the superdomes but we are phasing out all of the other computers/workstations/servers we purchased from them.
 
... because we already know that the act of jailbreaking protects us from further exploits of the same kind.

Umm... Slight misunderstanding here.

Jailbreaking alone doesn't protect you from further exploits of this kind.

Jailbreaking, *then* adding a utility that prompts you before opening a PDF, helps mitigate the problem by forcing you to explicitly allow a PDF to be opened. If you're not expecting to open a PDF, you just might say 'No'. If you say 'Yes', to a PDF that happens to exploit this vector, you'll still get bit.
 
To say the least. I do have to say, we have two "superdomes" that is what we call it, can't remember the correct name off the bat. HP has been down right outstanding when either of these two superdomes need anything done whether maintenance trouble shooting etc. The other stuff well they sucked and sucked really really bad. We still have the superdomes but we are phasing out all of the other computers/workstations/servers we purchased from them.


the rule is always the more it costs the better the support

we have a bunch of Proliants and will keep them. the trick is to install the HP Software on them. Use SmartStart to install WIndows or linux and install the HP drivers and the management software. if a hard drive goes bad just send HP the diagnostics report and they will send you a new one. same with any part where you can send a diagnostics report.

and update the firmware. it's as bad as windows and iphone. tons of bugs in the firmware and lately HP won't replace anything unless you have recent firmware on your RAID controllers, etc. a lot of fixes in their firmware for false reporting of "bad" hardware
 
I don't see the massive need for a jailbreak anymore. Skype calls over 3g, multitasking is here, cut and paste, spell check, wallpapers. I enjoy not having to worry if there will be issues or something going wrong due to jailbreaking. I must say it was a must living in Australia and having the 1st gen iphone back in 2007 but once the 3G came along with the app store it became less and less.

MyWi, even paying for tether does not give you an option to tether through wifi for your ipad or other devices.

Wireless Syncing.

Aside from that, this method of jailbreaking scares the hell out of me. It needs to go away quick.
 
I think you have this backwards.

Haha yeah I did have it backwards. Does make me sound a bit stupid.

I will take it.

I have never jailbroken one of my iPhones because I have never had a need to... I don't really care if others do, but I do think exploiting this whole to offer an easier way for people to jailbreak was a bad idea.

I think it also shows some questionable judgment on the part of the person or persons who did it, which would make me apprehensive about trusting them to make the right decisions in regards to this stuff in the future.

I would seriously advise anyone who wants to have their phone jailbroken to still upgrade this update and then look for alternative means to accomplish when available.

Leaving your system seriously vulnerable just to have it jailbroken is the wrong choice for pretty much everyone. Even if you do put in the "fix".

The problem is a decent percentage of people who have their phones jailbroken or even more specifically might have done it with this flaw because it was so easy are likely much less technical savvy then they would need to be to properly protect themselves. So this whole thing unnecessarily put people at risk.
 
Eh... I don't plan on upgrading my firmware for a while now that my iPhone is jailbroken and unlocked. No point in redoing the whole thing all over again. My proximity sensor works. Everything works. No need.

I don't read PDFs on my iPhone.
 
I'm 44. Still kicking.

ok, First: My Main language is Spanish. Sorry for all my typing errors.

second: I was trying to post a thought.

I've been using Macs since 1992, the Apple world has change a lot this days, My home office is an Apple store clone itself.

First Apple was the rebel corporation. I love that. That was my reason to join the club in a world full of PCs.

Then People get scared about the end of Apple, I was alone until Steve came back, saving Apple and introducing a "Think Different" Campaign (and by the way that was a mayor spelling error right there it should read "Think Differently" lol) I love that idea, white apple logo, artists and history icons where the symbolism of the new Apple corporation... and it was cool.

now, it's a MS mini me. "MORE Power and screw you too" are the new promo gimmicks.

People are starting to seeing Apple as another gadget company and not as the Wild and Brave corporation that wants to beat the big brother.

That's over.

That's what I meant in the other post.
 
Eh... I don't plan on upgrading my firmware for a while now that my iPhone is jailbroken and unlocked. No point in redoing the whole thing all over again. My proximity sensor works. Everything works. No need.

I don't read PDFs on my iPhone.

You do understand (of course you don't) that you don't need to actively read PDFs for this to harm you right ? Surf to a malicious website in Safari and the owner can use this vulnerability by simply linking the PDF in his HTML. No need to click or anything.

:rolleyes:
 
MyWi, even paying for tether does not give you an option to tether through wifi for your ipad or other devices.
THIS! THIS THIS THIS!!!!!!!!

It's the biggest reason why I jailbroke. Now that I've gotten a chance to make my folder size unlimited among other cool utilities, I'll never go back.
 
MyWi, even paying for tether does not give you an option to tether through wifi for your ipad or other devices.

Wireless Syncing.

Aside from that, this method of jailbreaking scares the hell out of me. It needs to go away quick.

You do understand (of course you don't) that you don't need to actively read PDFs for this to harm you right ? Surf to a malicious website in Safari and the owner can use this vulnerability by simply linking the PDF in his HTML. No need to click or anything.

:rolleyes:
LOL. Which brings an interesting irony in that, until the patch comes out, the only way of truly protecting yourself is with a jailbreak download. :D
 
It's interesting that despite there being 100 million iOS devices, not a single virus has yet infected 1. :D
 
It's interesting that despite there being 100 million iOS devices, not a single virus has yet infected 1. :D

The absence of proof is no proof of absence ^^

(For fans of the boondocks)

And this is the important things here... They found a bug/exploit that was usable from any webpage, and instead of telling Apple so they could secure the entire platform, they used it, releasing it to anybody that's interested in it.

They accepted the fact that from the release date to the moment Apple releases a patch, they were going to put any iOS device user in (more) danger of being hacked.
 
LOL. Which brings an interesting irony in that, until the patch comes out, the only way of partially protecting yourself is with a jailbreak download. :D

Fixed. How many would just click yes on the PDF warning or even install the app in the first place ?

Jailbroken phones are vulnerable, the app just gives you a warning before opening PDFs if you bothered to download and install it from Cydia.
 
You reply sorta hit me sides ways, I love my iP4.

So there are computer based apps, like Spirit, that will Jailbreak my iP4?

Sorry, but Spirit only jailbreaks the iPhone 2G/3G/3GS, all iPod Touches, and the iPad. No iP4 support yet, except for jailbreakme.com.
 
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