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Software Update to Move Inside Mac App Store in OS X Mountain Lion

funkdis said:
1 year after last update? and expected to shell out more money?. :mad:
I purchased SL, lion as they were only $30, over 2 years thats pretty cool. If this turns into a yearly cycle it will end up doubling the cost to keep up to date, then add in some hidden costs such as in app purchases for osx and we'll be back to pre 2008 prices of OSX.
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That's why I only update every few years based on the quality of the features that I will use. I'm still running 10.6 and have no plans to update yet.

OSX needs a major redesign from the ground up. Apple have been tacking things on for years and it's such a hodge podge of aesthetics now. It's about time all the gel UI elements from 10.0 were gone. They look really dated now.

Even iOS looks dated using all the cutesy gel effects and that's only been around four years.
 
jayhawk11 said:
They're going to have to. This is getting brutal for families and developers.
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..and it is particularly bad if you have multiple Apple Ids using obscure email addresses that you don't normally use.

Why can't move go to a username basis and disengage the email address as the logon?
 
pixpixpix said:
..and it is particularly bad if you have multiple Apple Ids using obscure email addresses that you don't normally use.
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Which you can change. Apple moved toward email based accounts becasue it allowed for more unique names that most people can remember. Most people keep the same email address around for a reason.
 
Not sure I totally like this. Software Update feels like an actual part of the OS whereas the Mac App Store feels like an add-on.
 
I'm a Mac end-user in a primarily Windows corporation. My company blocks the App Store (along with iTunes) and I'm a Final Cut Pro X user. I've been trying for 4 months to get the App Store unblocked so I can receive updates for Final Cut. Now I read that OS 10.8 is using App Store for updates.

Other than getting the App Store unblocked, are their other options to deliver updates? Can Remote Desktop push specific app updates (Final Cut Pro X?) Help me educate my IT folks. Thanks for any input.
 
I've chosen not to use the MAS, I do so on principle - so that's that between the Macintosh and me.

I can't upgrade, thus I will sooner or later hit a brick wall with some program.

There's of course no technical reason for this change of policy at Apple, they just want your info and your credit card number.

Neither of which I feel obliged to surrender to them. My information, my money. :cool:
 
Bear said:
I suspect Apple will still have support for enterprise type installations.

I do suggest that companies buy at least pay for one developer to get early access to new versions of Mac OS. And then when features go missing you can bug report them as missing features and use the other feedback mechanisms that developers have.
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...Hopefully Software Update Server is still there too... downloading ML Server now to see what they've fixed and what they've got rid of completely... Hopefully SUS and NetBoot are still there... but you never know with Apple
 
Ok so this "feature" is beyond crap aka huge step backward. What Apple should do is to provide Software Update access to all MAS apps so if you like all your apps are updated automagically via OS X software update. With this MAS update you need to do it manually and stay alert for that little badge so you know if you have updates available. Seriously, this one hell of idiotic feature!
 
Just another marketing ploy... you want your update? Well now you get to see all the new items to buy while you're simply trying to up date your OS.:D
 
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hollerz said:
I don't mind this at all, but I don't want the App Store in my dock all the time. Hopefully it'll provide push notifications in notification centre.
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I've thought this for awhile. Pretty ironic that the only iOS app I can think of that doesn't offer push is the App Store - created by Apple. iOS and Mac could
Both could stand for push notifications (or at least a badge update when the app isn't running) for app updates.
 
It's kind of a surprise given the switch to consumer all the way, and consumers' general dislike of logging in to all sorts of things, but I guess that's changing these days, and good on Apple if they can integrate it there - finally a feature I actually like the sound of :D. Now if they can just fix the UI of the MAS, damn non-standard titlebar.
 
I don't really care either way how I get the update, but one thing I haven't seen mentioned - with this new method, will users still be able to download an installer file when one exists? Either downloading it from MAS or being able to go to the web page with the installer would be fine. I like to have the installer handy because I often update multiple machines and I like to keep the installer file around in case I need to reinstall later (or revert to an earlier version of an app!).
 
faroZ06 said:
All they are doing is combining the Software Update with the Mac App Store. It's not any kind of anti-competitive force. It just makes sense that you'd get your Apple updates from the Mac App Store.
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Except that it's the wrong direction for "improvement", I'd much rather see software update be made available for all developers to use, whether they're going through the Mac App Store or not. It could even be used to update apps in more unusual ways, for example by auto-updating third-party plugins installed within an app or similar things.

Instead they're ditching what could have been open, inclusive service, in favour of locking it down into the Mac App store. Aside from being annoying from a development standpoint, it's backwards, as instead of improving the platform it's just simplifying the Mac App Store. It's a fairly worrying sign of Apple's priorities when it comes to trying to force us to use Apple everything, rather than on actually improving OS X.
 
I really like this idea. I wish all the updates to all the software on my Mac were handled in one place. It would make my life SO much easier.

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haravikk said:
Except that it's the wrong direction for "improvement", I'd much rather see software update be made available for all developers to use, whether they're going through the Mac App Store or not. It could even be used to update apps in more unusual ways, for example by auto-updating third-party plugins installed within an app or similar things.

Instead they're ditching what could have been open, inclusive service, in favour of locking it down into the Mac App store. Aside from being annoying from a development standpoint, it's backwards, as instead of improving the platform it's just simplifying the Mac App Store. It's a fairly worrying sign of Apple's priorities when it comes to trying to force us to use Apple everything, rather than on actually improving OS X.
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I agree from a developer / openness perspective. Seems like your comments are spot on. It will be great for users to have consolidation, but the particular type of consolidation is not as open and malleable as it should be.
 
I have tried Lion multiple times and always reverted back to Snow Leopard because it was buggy and had useless / bad features. Now this. I will never, ever use the Mac App Store. Linux, here I come! :rolleyes:
 
zephonic said:
So now you need an Apple-ID to keep your system up to date? :mad:
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But you need an Apple ID to download Mountain Lion.

So, you'd already have one.

Most people would have an Apple ID when they purchased Lion.. unless it was via a new machine or USB key.
 
Be more like iOS?

Personally I would have liked the system updates (in fact all updates) to update automatically when plugged into power and connected to wifi for example. A few options on this would be nice such as limiting to when the computer is not being used or between midnight and 6am etc.

Nothing frustrates me more than other people's software being out of date.
 
pancakedrawer said:
Personally I would have liked the system updates (in fact all updates) to update automatically when plugged into power and connected to wifi for example. A few options on this would be nice such as limiting to when the computer is not being used or between midnight and 6am etc.

Nothing frustrates me more than other people's software being out of date.
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I would HATE that. It's a pet peeve I have about Windows. When you're trying to sneak out of work so the boss can't ask you to work the weekend, and it tells you "Please don't turn off your computer. Installing update 1 of 23".

Or, I'd be working hard in a VM window, and suddenly the computer starts to shut down, because it was installing updates in the background and one of them required a restart.

I like that Apple by default says "you have updates", but you can easily say "remind me later."

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Stella said:
But you need an Apple ID to download Mountain Lion.

So, you'd already have one.

Most people would have an Apple ID when they purchased Lion.. unless it was via a new machine or USB key.
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Why'd you have to get all logical on us?
 
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