Okay, you've whined, ranted and insulted people ... Now you're looking to argue? You've sold your rMBP ... Now go buy one you like and get over it.
No need to call everyone blind because you dont like your notebook while others like theirs.
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Okay, you've whined, ranted and insulted people ... Now you're looking to argue? You've sold your rMBP ... Now go buy one you like and get over it.
No need to call everyone blind because you dont like your notebook while others like theirs.
It's the same reason people return 7 ipads complaining about yellow screens/backlights/gnat poop behind the glass kind of thing.
+1. The OP isn't helping himself. The best would be to either move on or write a letter to Apple expressing his concerns.
... and you're clearly anything but a "PRO" yourself.
lol
True pro users get what they need and stick with it. We upgrade every year or whenever we feel like the current machine don't work anymore. We don't really worry about $ as much as just getting stuff done because you make more money working than worrying about the little things on the machines.
You're both out of your frakking gourd if you think the Retina is a huge step above the latest 17" MBP. You lose the ability for double the internal storage, a larger AND matte display, Expresscard for eSATA capability, as well as easy to swap drives and FW800. Don't give me this "dongle" crap. The processor is practically the same, the RAM is the same, etc. The GPU advantage is negated by the scaling it has to do,
And yes, I am a pro. If 3 feature films, 3 Nat Geo series, and 7 documentaries under my belt isn't pro, then I don't know what is. "
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it is trial time baby
can't agree more! thank you for the passion and truth! yes!
this is trial period and test run for apple, they are getting a kick out of this, they are making mass profits from iOS and current OS X via the retina macbooks, i purposefully leave out the pro part because the only pro are the late 2011 17" MBPs seriously.
in all honesty, apple is happy making all this extra dough because they really wanna put all the technological innovation into the next 17" rMBP, by then they would have gotten everything just perfect, no secret, it is apple's track record ^_^
can't agree more! thank you for the passion and truth! yes!
this is trial period and test run for apple, they are getting a kick out of this, they are making mass profits from iOS and current OS X via the retina macbooks, i purposefully leave out the pro part because the only pro are the late 2011 17" MBPs seriously.
in all honesty, apple is happy making all this extra dough because they really wanna put all the technological innovation into the next 17" rMBP, by then they would have gotten everything just perfect, no secret, it is apple's track record ^_^
You're both out of your frakking gourd if you think the Retina is a huge step above the latest 17" MBP. You lose the ability for double the internal storage, a larger AND matte display, Expresscard for eSATA capability, as well as easy to swap drives and FW800. Don't give me this "dongle" crap. The processor is practically the same, the RAM is the same, etc. The GPU advantage is negated by the scaling it has to do,
And yes, I am a pro. If 3 feature films, 3 Nat Geo series, and 7 documentaries under my belt isn't pro, then I don't know what is. "
The New Retina is a hugh upgrade from the 2011 models, although it might not fill the need for some who wants to upgrade (optical Bay). I bought the cMBP (2012), only because it want to do upgrades and already ordered 16G Ram from OWC and Samsung 830 256G SSD from Newegg. I just love to tinker.
but:
Retina Awesome
Thin From Factor Awesome
SSD Awesome
Ivy Bridge Awesome
2 Thunderbolts Awesome
HDMI Awesome
Light weight Awesome
In the end I probably would have been happy with the 8G/256G SSD Retina, but for now I lOVE my cMBP
Maybe Retina next year with Haswell and pass curent 2012 cMBP to wife.
Lets collaborate please!
You sound real interesting and I love this passion to your artistic drives. I'm a full time world music artist. I have over 15+ solo albums produced on a single 2007 17" MBP. Doesn't get more pro then that bro. Check out my profile on here for details - let me know what you think, I'm always glad to get constructive feed back as opposed to hate messages on here
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blinded by happy trigger buying power i guess? buy before you see or buy before you think - just buy buy buy until you are completely content, but that isn't possible is it?
You're both out of your frakking gourd if you think the Retina is a huge step above the latest 17" MBP. You lose the ability for double the internal storage, a larger AND matte display, Expresscard for eSATA capability, as well as easy to swap drives and FW800. Don't give me this "dongle" crap. The processor is practically the same, the RAM is the same, etc. The GPU advantage is negated by the scaling it has to do,
And yes, I am a pro. If 3 feature films, 3 Nat Geo series, and 7 documentaries under my belt isn't pro, then I don't know what is. "
You sound real interesting and I love this passion to your artistic drives. I'm a full time world music artist. I have over 15+ solo albums produced on a single 2007 17" MBP. Doesn't get more pro then that bro. Check out my profile on here for details - let me know what you think, I'm always glad to get constructive feed back as opposed to hate messages on here
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blinded by happy trigger buying power i guess? buy before you see or buy before you think - just buy buy buy until you are completely content, but that isn't possible is it?
The New Retina is a hugh upgrade from the 2011 models, although it might not fill the need for some who wants to upgrade (optical Bay). I bought the cMBP (2012), only because it want to do upgrades and already ordered 16G Ram from OWC and Samsung 830 256G SSD from Newegg. I just love to tinker.
but:
Retina Awesome
Thin From Factor Awesome
SSD Awesome
Ivy Bridge Awesome
2 Thunderbolts Awesome
HDMI Awesome
Light weight Awesome
In the end I probably would have been happy with the 8G/256G SSD Retina, but for now I lOVE my cMBP
Maybe Retina next year with Haswell and pass curent 2012 cMBP to wife.
Retina Awesome - Not at the cost of performance which is the problem now.
Thin From Factor Awesome - Doesn't matter for actual pros who prefer power over thinness
SSD Awesome - I have a faster one in my 17" than the retina has.
Ivy Bridge Awesome - Not noticeably faster with the exception of USB 3, which I don't use.
2 Thunderbolts Awesome - yeah, you need two to get your Gigabit Ethernet and FW 800 ports back
HDMI Awesome - TB-HDMI adapter fixes this
Light weight Awesome - Not at the cost of capability and performance.
Not to mention the loss of a larger screen, cooler operation, superior speakers, matte option, ExpressCard bay for those of us who shoot with SxS cards, etc. You're referring to the retina as a "look at how cool I am" machine, not a "look at how productive and versatile I am" machine, which the 17" MBP is.
Your argument is now null in void.
Only for apps that aren't optimised / efficiently coded.
Moot point.
Honestly, who cares as long as it's superfast on both?
Then you're missing out.
People still use those?
Why wouldn't you just use TB for TB and HDMI for HDMI? Oh, wait, if you're still living 10 years ago, your TB ports are already in use. Silly me.
Since when did 16GB RAM with SSD + Ivy Bridge = lesser performance / capability?
If screen size is a problem for you, you might want to reconsider calling your device a 'portable desktop' instead of a notebook.
The speakers are excellent. Have you used them? They go quite loud and still retain excellent quality. Better than most, if not all, Windows laptops, especially due to the size of the speakers.
If you're having issues with 'cooler operation' you're either using your discrete graphics (which generates a lot of heat no matter what computer) or you're not getting enough ventilation through the fans. I would suggest using smcFanControl for that, along with gfxCardStatus. Problems solved. Not to mention laptop computers by design are flawed, in that humans generate heat, and when you put it on your lap you're going to incubate that.
If you're going to state your opinion that the rMBP is a 'look how cool I am machine' as fact, you've clearly not used it for long enough. Mine has practically replaced my desktop in all facets of both versatility and productivity. But I guess there's just no pleasing some people.
Now to actually contribute to the OP's topic, I think the issue here is definitely blaming software issues on hardware. Things can only get better. Or you just had bad luck with the programs you installed. I've not eperienced any UI lag, or system lag, unless an app is severely outdated (1yr old+).
The one inarguable advantage that the rMBP has over the cMBP is the retina screen. That's it.
People who think the thinner form factor is an advantage are simply enjoying the design of it. That's fine, but it's not better because it's thinner. Ditto for the weight difference - if it's that big a deal, some exercise is in order, along with putting down the Twinkies. I travel 4 out of 5 weeks, and I'm sorry, but the arguments about the weight difference just make me laugh.
For what I do, they don't work. I have to have both an ethernet port and an optical drive - those are non-negotiable realities when working with classified material. And I use a lot of storage on my work machine - so the 128 GB on offer in the base 13" is pathetic, especially for the price.
The other argument that really makes me laugh out loud is who is a "pro" and whether the rMBP is a "pro" machine. Priceless - keep them up!
The rMBPs are nice machines, and will only get better as Apple irons out the few issues that have popped up and as the price comes down as the rMBPs replace the cMBPs. The one thing about the rMBPs that sticks in my throat is the inability to upgrade/expand them. There are going to be lots of them headed to landfills when people need more onboard storage or RAM.
People who think the thinner form factor is an advantage are simply enjoying the design of it. That's fine, but it's not better because it's thinner. Ditto for the weight difference - if it's that big a deal, some exercise is in order, along with putting down the Twinkies. I travel 4 out of 5 weeks, and I'm sorry, but the arguments about the weight difference just make me laugh.
For what I do, they don't work. I have to have both an ethernet port and an optical drive - those are non-negotiable realities when working with classified material. And I use a lot of storage on my work machine - so the 128 GB on offer in the base 13" is pathetic, especially for the price.
The other argument that really makes me laugh out loud is who is a "pro" and whether the rMBP is a "pro" machine. Priceless - keep them up!
The rMBPs are nice machines, and will only get better as Apple irons out the few issues that have popped up and as the price comes down as the rMBPs replace the cMBPs. The one thing about the rMBPs that sticks in my throat is the inability to upgrade/expand them. There are going to be lots of them headed to landfills when people need more onboard storage or RAM.
I'm definitely not blind. I definitely am NOT noticing any disturbing lag--though I'm also not hanging out on Facebook all day---not a single one of my 'tools' lags in any way, shape or form---the entire Adobe creative suite, Maya, FCP7/X, Compressor, Logic, Aperture, and Chrome/Safari/Mail are constantly 'On'...and No Lag! I promise--it's nonexistent.
Yes, there are some 'busy' sites (FB/TechCrunch) and poorly coded sites that'll slow the typical 60fps down to a still very usable 25-40fps. This isn't a problem, it's more of a software 'challenge' that will continue to refine itself with OS updates. It's most certainly NOT a GPU issue--the Intel 4000 is MORE than capable of driving these pixels...as I'm typing this on mine now, utilizing the 4000...no. lag, period! It (along with it's predecessor the 3000) drives the TBD just fine on it's own (folks do this often with their 2011 Airs---guess what? No. Lag!).
There is no 'problem' here. Please, name the creative software you're using that exhibits the 'lag' you're going on about. I'm not sure there isn't a piece of software that I or my fellow colleagues don't have--or can't get in touch with. I'm genuinely curious as I'd like to know where you're seeing this devastating, 'shame on you Apple' issue!!
You're both out of your frakking gourd if you think the Retina is a huge step above the latest 17" MBP. You lose the ability for double the internal storage, a larger AND matte display, Expresscard for eSATA capability, as well as easy to swap drives and FW800. Don't give me this "dongle" crap. The processor is practically the same, the RAM is the same, etc. The GPU advantage is negated by the scaling it has to do,
And yes, I am a pro. If 3 feature films, 3 Nat Geo series, and 7 documentaries under my belt isn't pro, then I don't know what is. "
I own the 2011 17" and a pair of 15" rMBPs--I've owned 17" MBPs for the past 6 years. Sorry--you're missing the 'real' differences between the two platforms. I was pissed they dropped the 17---all the way up until I saw the new rMBP in person. These wipe the floor, productively speaking, with the 17s--over 50% increases in some speeds for finalizing on my end---whether I'm rendering, ripping, or transcoding...manipulation of big photo files and working with large scores and dozens of tracks in Logic or Audition--just blows my 17 out of the water. My 17" is the later 2011, 2.4/Samsung 830--256 & original 750GB spinner in Opti-Bay. It's no slouch--in fact, it's an awesome rig--BUT, the rMBP is a step above all across the board. The compliment of I/O alone was worth it to me...and I own at least a dozen FW 800 DRIVES!!! USB 3/Twin TB and HDMI, =Awesome flexibility for external scratch!!!
The screen--absolutely phenomenal. It's a 'no brainer' if you're doing video work...as it sounds you and I are more alike than different!! Have you actually use the rMBP or are you going by what you've heard?
Any chance you can share what you've worked on with NatGeo? I've been working with NatGeo/Discovery/History for the past 7 years. The host of "Alaska' footage and reality TV has been a huge boon to us up here!!! Milking it for all it's worth---from Dutch Harbor (crabbing) to Unalakleet (flying) to Kotzebue/Bethel/Nome and here @ home with the State Troopers--what an awesome time to be in the business.
As well---the 'gloss' from the earlier TN panels (not the anti-glare) has been cut significantly...yet retaining the color 'pop' generally attributed to those glossy monitors. This is easily and finally the best, most accurate monitor I've ever owned on a laptop. Nice to able to casually grade without plugging in to the Iggy!!
Retina Awesome - Not at the cost of performance which is the problem now.
Thin From Factor Awesome - Doesn't matter for actual pros who prefer power over thinness
SSD Awesome - I have a faster one in my 17" than the retina has.
Ivy Bridge Awesome - Not noticeably faster with the exception of USB 3, which I don't use.
2 Thunderbolts Awesome - yeah, you need two to get your Gigabit Ethernet and FW 800 ports back
HDMI Awesome - TB-HDMI adapter fixes this
Light weight Awesome - Not at the cost of capability and performance.
Not to mention the loss of a larger screen, cooler operation, superior speakers, matte option, ExpressCard bay for those of us who shoot with SxS cards, etc. You're referring to the retina as a "look at how cool I am" machine, not a "look at how productive and versatile I am" machine, which the 17" MBP is.
Your argument is now null in void.
If you shoot SxS, buy a deck---why in the world would you loaf around a 17" laptop to offload your footage when there are many dozens of options on the market that are easier, more efficient, portable and specifically made for your Sony rig? I shoot on P2 cards--so I drug an old G4 with me everywhere before it died---the new PCM slot was useless to me when they shrunk it down back in '08 or so.
Not sure why the need for ethernet/FW800---USB3 simply blows FW8 out of the water--and TB doubles the speed of USB3. Why stick with old and slower technology that never really caught on...when you can move to the speed offered my the new compliment of I/O on the latest machines??? Makes no sense if you're serious about video editing...sorry. The ubiquity of cheap USB3 drives on the market should hold an editor over until the TB peripherals are more abundant
To me--it's obvious you've never actually seen/heard the new rMBP when you bring up 'speakers' as a 'pro or strength' of the 17. Hardly---again, the new rMBP smokes my 2011 17" sound wise. Not even a contest there. Apparently without real, true hand's on experience with the machine, I think this makes YOUR argument 'null & void' eh?
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I'm definitely not blind. I definitely am NOT noticing any disturbing lag--though I'm also not hanging out on Facebook all day---not a single one of my 'tools' lags in any way, shape or form---the entire Adobe creative suite, Maya, FCP7/X, Compressor, Logic, Aperture, and Chrome/Safari/Mail are constantly 'On'...and No Lag! I promise--it's nonexistent.
Yes, there are some 'busy' sites (FB/TechCrunch) and poorly coded sites that'll slow the typical 60fps down to a still very usable 25-40fps. This isn't a problem, it's more of a software 'challenge' that will continue to refine itself with OS updates. It's most certainly NOT a GPU issue--the Intel 4000 is MORE than capable of driving these pixels...as I'm typing this on mine now, utilizing the 4000...no. lag, period! It (along with it's predecessor the 3000) drives the TBD just fine on it's own (folks do this often with their 2011 Airs---guess what? No. Lag!).
There is no 'problem' here. Please, name the creative software you're using that exhibits the 'lag' you're going on about. I'm not sure there isn't a piece of software that I or my fellow colleagues don't have--or can't get in touch with. I'm genuinely curious as I'd like to know where you're seeing this devastating, 'shame on you Apple' issue!!
I own the 2011 17" and a pair of 15" rMBPs--I've owned 17" MBPs for the past 6 years. Sorry--you're missing the 'real' differences between the two platforms. I was pissed they dropped the 17---all the way up until I saw the new rMBP in person. These wipe the floor, productively speaking, with the 17s--over 50% increases in some speeds for finalizing on my end---whether I'm rendering, ripping, or transcoding...manipulation of big photo files and working with large scores and dozens of tracks in Logic or Audition--just blows my 17 out of the water. My 17" is the later 2011, 2.4/Samsung 830--256 & original 750GB spinner in Opti-Bay. It's no slouch--in fact, it's an awesome rig--BUT, the rMBP is a step above all across the board. The compliment of I/O alone was worth it to me...and I own at least a dozen FW 800 DRIVES!!! USB 3/Twin TB and HDMI, =Awesome flexibility for external scratch!!!
The screen--absolutely phenomenal. It's a 'no brainer' if you're doing video work...as it sounds you and I are more alike than different!! Have you actually use the rMBP or are you going by what you've heard?
Any chance you can share what you've worked on with NatGeo? I've been working with NatGeo/Discovery/History for the past 7 years. The host of "Alaska' footage and reality TV has been a huge boon to us up here!!! Milking it for all it's worth---from Dutch Harbor (crabbing) to Unalakleet (flying) to Kotzebue/Bethel/Nome and here @ home with the State Troopers--what an awesome time to be in the business.
As well---the 'gloss' from the earlier TN panels (not the anti-glare) has been cut significantly...yet retaining the color 'pop' generally attributed to those glossy monitors. This is easily and finally the best, most accurate monitor I've ever owned on a laptop. Nice to able to casually grade without plugging in to the Iggy!!
If you shoot SxS, buy a deck---why in the world would you loaf around a 17" laptop to offload your footage when there are many dozens of options on the market that are easier, more efficient, portable and specifically made for your Sony rig? I shoot on P2 cards--so I drug an old G4 with me everywhere before it died---the new PCM slot was useless to me when they shrunk it down back in '08 or so.
Not sure why the need for ethernet/FW800---USB3 simply blows FW8 out of the water--and TB doubles the speed of USB3. Why stick with old and slower technology that never really caught on...when you can move to the speed offered my the new compliment of I/O on the latest machines??? Makes no sense if you're serious about video editing...sorry. The ubiquity of cheap USB3 drives on the market should hold an editor over until the TB peripherals are more abundant
To me--it's obvious you've never actually seen/heard the new rMBP when you bring up 'speakers' as a 'pro or strength' of the 17. Hardly---again, the new rMBP smokes my 2011 17" sound wise. Not even a contest there. Apparently without real, true hand's on experience with the machine, I think this makes YOUR argument 'null & void' eh?
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You obviously don't deal with clients who still use FW800 drives and have weak in-house wifi signals. If I have to work on-site, the best thing is to jack into the network, not rely on WiFi. Same goes for a lot of hotels. You have no ****ing clue what you're talking about.
I still think a rMBP only makes sense if you have piles of money to burn. a 128gb ssd + 1tb HDD in optibay, let alone the upgradable RAM makes the uMBP just a better choice for the future. From early '11 onwards processors aren't much faster incrementally and the fast SSD + HDD storage gives you space for so much cheaper and more of it
Really these love versus hate Retina threads are bizarre to say the very least almost as if people are describing two totally different machines. Sometimes i do wonder if all the negative is simply generated by "Haters" then again some do genuinely appear to have performance issues. My own 15" base Retina performs flawlessly, a little stutter with Lion, and it has simply dissolved with Mountain Lion it certainly equals and in many respects exceeds my Late 2011 15" (2.4 i7) MBP.
You see why i fail to understand all the commotion is that my set up has the Retina and Late 2011 sat together on the same desk, with pretty much the same workload and they perform equally well in regards to the UI, fluid and consistent. I have no reason to embellish, nor do i have anything to gain from it. It is what it is to me typical MBP performance that i have been used to for many a year. If you are happy with your MBP Retina good for you, if not return it and tell Apple why...
As for the "Pro" thing, it`s most entertaining. Anyone believing that they are actually defined as a "Professional" by the hardware they own, well just keep it coming
You see why i fail to understand all the commotion is that my set up has the Retina and Late 2011 sat together on the same desk, with pretty much the same workload and they perform equally well in regards to the UI, fluid and consistent. I have no reason to embellish, nor do i have anything to gain from it. It is what it is to me typical MBP performance that i have been used to for many a year. If you are happy with your MBP Retina good for you, if not return it and tell Apple why...
As for the "Pro" thing, it`s most entertaining. Anyone believing that they are actually defined as a "Professional" by the hardware they own, well just keep it coming
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If you're the type of person who is constantly having to connect to wired networks while on the go, having to always use an adapter can be a deal breaker. You might not think it's a big deal but to some of us it is.
Built-in gigabit ethernet was one of the reasons I went with a regular MBP.
I can think of a few good use cases for more than 16GB, but they don't tend to cater to notebook users. After Effects eats massive amounts of ram, especially if you're dedicating a number of cores. If you're dealing with anything involving rendering at high resolutions with heavy displacement, 16GB isn't necessarily enough to completely push memory management off the table. It should be perfectly usable. It's just that it's not to the point where you can pretty much ignore ram as a factor. For most use cases, it's more than enough today. It's the least I'd go with in a new machine today for my own uses, especially with the poor memory management from Lion onward.
Okay great, so I've got my gigabit adapter so I can plug into the gigabit network, and my firewire adapter so I can read off the client's FW800 drives, all I need to do is plug in my Thunderbolt drive...oh...wait..."
" Think before you post, amatuer.From time to time, I have the same issue when I connect my macbook air 11.6" to my 27" mac screen. So the problem is not restricted to the macbook pro.
Okay great, so I've got my gigabit adapter so I can plug into the gigabit network, and my firewire adapter so I can read off the client's FW800 drives, all I need to do is plug in my Thunderbolt drive...oh...wait..."
Just add a USB 3.0 Gigabit adapter, or is that a little too complex for you. Both Retina and standard MBP will get the job done, it`s just down to personal preference.
Okay great, so I've got my gigabit adapter so I can plug into the gigabit network, and my firewire adapter so I can read off the client's FW800 drives, all I need to do is plug in my Thunderbolt drive...oh...wait..."
Think before you post as well. A lot of Thunderbolt drives have two Thunderbolt ports on it. Just daisy chain the ethernet/FW800 adapter to the Thunderbolt drive.