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OK, SIP being disabled is legit. So 3 issues, one of which is OS specific, although the other two may well be early driver issues.

What MDP adapter issue (actual question, wasn't aware of that one)?

I covered the Thunderbolt 3 device compatibility issue in my last post—nothing to do with Apple.

So "similarly fading quality across all of their product lines" would be based on the premise that Apple's quality is in fact fading. A rational analysis of their position indicates that they may be doing the best they can given the issues created by their component suppliers. I will say Apple is doing an outstanding job of not throwing their suppliers under the bus considering all the flack they're taking at their expense.

There have been reports that Apples TB3-TB2 dongle doesn't support dp monitors.

You are still missing my point: the fact that lots of these things keep happening across all of their product lines and that is why people are complaining. You can nitpick the details about who is to blame but that doesn't stop the steady drip of "bad" news, to go along with switching to new ports forcing people to buy new dongles or cables as well as the premium price they are charging. I have a 15" MBP on order and haven't cancelled it, for what that is worth. But that doesn't mean people don't have legitimate points in what they post.
 
Can you please list all the articles your talking about? I follow this stuff fairly closely and haven't seen much, other than peoples options on how things should be, but not bugs or defects.

You can do the research, it shouldn't long. To sum it up in a few words: Price, Ram, SSD, USBC, Magsafe, Gimmick. These are just a few things to look up.

I never mentioned bugs or defects, and yes, some the opinions of above things are subjective. In my opinion, most of the articles about the new MBP have been negative. Although, some might think they are a positive thing.

Example: Maybe there are some people who think soldered SSDs is a positive thing, and some people do not.
 
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I feel like these MacBook Pros are Apple's Windows Vista.
Except they are selling and have some technical (big) faults that a user could never know and don't compromise usability.
You people on this blog keep on believing the whole world's population thinks with your mind.
 
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Fake speaker grilles - practical impact: zero. Worrying, though, because its another indicator of Apple losing its way on form vs. function: Apple/Ive's best designs have usually been functional, minimalistic and notably lacking in go-faster stripes.

Apple has long been know for its habit of form over function.

All we need to do is look at where Apple chooses to put its most often used ports, USB and SD card slots: in the most awkward, least accessible places.
 
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"Likely because of power concerns"
They knew that the 15" had to have a dGPU in all models to output to 2, 5K displays. So why would they go for the Iris Pro graphics when it costs more for them?
 
I don't make any comments on this forum to be "cool". If Apple was making a product that was worth praise, I am pretty sure there would be lots of positive comments on here.

Yeah, there will be some complaints, but if the products lived up to the Apple products from the past "Hello" events, then most of the comments would be people wanting to buy the product.

There has always been a very loud minority here that has cried foul every time Apple has released a product or changed something in their product line, even for some of their most "beloved" products. People don't seem to want to admit or acknowledge this, but there was widespread cynicism on the release of both the iPhone and iPad. There has always been a (healthy) level of skepticism too, even when it's clear that there's a reason why they're playing "armchair executive" and aren't, you know, actual executives.

That being said, this release has been a (little) louder than normal, and I think it's primarily the result of smaller infractions (in the eyes of the complainers) adding up. If you took away even one of the complaints people had (price/removal of legacy ports/ram [although this is a very small minority, something they probably don't want to admit]/soldered HD [which is only an issue on the TB versions, and is something you guys should have seen coming a mile away]/keyboard/etc.) it probably wouldn't be nearly as loud as it seems to be. Honestly, I think a lot of this would be rendered moot in most people's eyes if the price increases did not occur, because with the exception of the minority whose needs are legitimately not being met, I feel a lot of these complainers are simply trying to rationalize their anger that it may be out of their budget for now.
 

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Got my 15 inch maxed out 2016 MacBook Pro and love it. I was worried after all the reviews and comments but this thing is awesome! The only thing I wish it had is a SD card reader. The speakers, screen and keyboard are all amazing and just beyond happy with it.
 
Steve Jobs would never allowed that

No he never missed the market and made mistakes.

http://www.macworld.com/article/1131864/macbooks/macbookair.html

One door, three ports


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To see more of the MacBook Air’s feature compromises, look no further than the cute flip-down door on the laptop’s right side. Upon lowering the door, you can see the MacBook Air offers only three ports: a headphone jack, a USB port, and a micro-DVI port. (And yes, this means that all of those IT professionals who have to carry a sack of Mac display adapters will need to add two new ones to their stock. However, Apple has graciously included two adapters—micro-DVI-to-VGA and micro-DVI-to-DVI—in the box with the MacBook Air.)

http://www.macworld.com/article/2026544/the-little-known-apple-lisa-five-quirks-and-oddities.html

And how about the "Lisa"

Base price almost $8,000

Introduced: January 1983
Released: June 1983
Price: US $9,995
How many? 100,000 in two years
CPU: Motorola 68000, 5 MHz
RAM: 1 Meg
Display: 12" monochrome monitor
720 X 364 graphics
Ports: 1 parallel, 2 serial ports
mouse port
Expansion: three internal slots
Storage: Two 5-1/4 inch floppy drives
external 5 Meg hard drive
OS: Apple Lisa GUI
 
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True - that one is a complete non-issue. It's useful to know - if you need all 4 ports use the "restricted" ones for charge, connecting displays or USB. Nobody seriously expected to be able to plug 4 x 40Gbps SSD RAID arrays into an ultrabook.

The mis-reporting the GPU is news, because it solves the mystery of some MBPs apparently shipping with better-than-specified graphics, and stomps on conspiracy theories about Apple cheating by having in-store display models with better graphics. Its not really a problem, but its news.

Fake speaker grilles - practical impact: zero. Worrying, though, because its another indicator of Apple losing its way on form vs. function: Apple/Ive's best designs have usually been functional, minimalistic and notably lacking in go-faster stripes. Not as serious as the real function-over-form issue, though: the fact that many technical decisions seem to have been forced by the Prime Directive of making the new MBPs even thinner and lighter that their predecessors.

USB-C/TB3: big problem: not enough choice of peripherals that really do things with USB-C/TB3 that couldn't be done before to make it a big improvement. Instead, we're paying $$$ for new cables and adapters just to use the same old peripherals. If Apple had put in the work and had a less-disappointing Thunderbolt display and a decent TB3 dock available on launch day then maybe things would be different.

Price: big problem. Y'know, I can easily afford one myself, but I also have to think about what I'm going to do when work colleagues need new machines and ask what to get, when it was already an uphill struggle to convince the Powers that Be to fund a £1200 Mac over a £500 Lenovo.... now its a £1500 minimum Mac plus £100+ worth of new cables just to use existing peripherals. Big changes in the past have usually been accompanied by big improvements in performance and functionality. Now, well, its not like you couldn't run a 4k or 5k display from the higher-specced older MBPs, and what TB3 hasn't bought is the DisplayPort 1.3 data rates needed for better 4k/5k support.

Frankly, I think the update we were all looking for, at least for the 15", was last year's 15" with the 2 TB2 ports replaced by 2 TB3/USB-C ports, refreshed processors & GPUs and everything else as-is. Its just too soon not to have at least one USB-A port.
The "fake" speaker grills is not a new thing at all. And in this case, there are multiple platforms sharing a chassis that have different speaker configurations. Apple wants design consistancy across the product range and is also not going to tool up separate lines just to machine different speaker grill layouts. That type of cost savings is not form-over-function related at all.

Apple was never going to ship a Mac with both USB Type-A and Type-C ports. Anyone who thought they might hasn't paid enough attention to history. Is it a friction point? Absolutely. Will anyone care a year from now? No. I also genuinely believe that people think they need more adapters than they really do. Thunderbolt 3 ports also support native USB Type-C signaling. USB Type-C is USB. Over the past 20 years, one end of our USB cable stayed the same (Type-A) while the other went from Type-B to Mini-B, Micro-B, Micro-A/B, USB 3.0 Type-B, USB 3.0 Micro B, USB 3.0 Micro A/B and now Type-C. We handled it. Now, for the first time, its the Type-A end that's changing and we can't cope.

So essentially all existing USB devices will work fine with the new ports if you have the right cable, and all Thunderbolt 1 and 2 devices work with a recently deeply discounted Apple adapter (which as an amazing surprise bonus also works in the other direction). You can also drive any display currently on the market from the same port, and they can act as 10 GbE NICs. Apple is shipping an ultraportable laptop with the equivalent of four 10 GbE NICs on board and nobody seems to have noticed.

The least expensive 13-inch MBP (escape edition) is now $500 more than the MacBook Air it replaces. I think Apple should have called those the "13-inch MacBook" (sans Pro), because having two different platforms in the same chassis with the same name muddied the waters in a way that's unfortunate for Apple. But comparing apples to apples as it were, how much did the new MBPs increase in price? $300 for the 13-inch and $100 - $400 for the 15-inch. So I'll agree that that's not nothing and leave it there.
 
Shouldn't the 16GB 2133MHz RAM be of DDR4?! It shows DDR3 on the system report page. DDR3 memory chips are maxed out at 1000s MHz frequently level.
 
There have been reports that Apples TB3-TB2 dongle doesn't support dp monitors.

You are still missing my point: the fact that lots of these things keep happening across all of their product lines and that is why people are complaining. You can nitpick the details about who is to blame but that doesn't stop the steady drip of "bad" news, to go along with switching to new ports forcing people to buy new dongles or cables as well as the premium price they are charging. I have a 15" MBP on order and haven't cancelled it, for what that is worth. But that doesn't mean people don't have legitimate points in what they post.
See this underscores my point that people think they need adapters when they don't. The Thunderbolt 3 to Thunderbolt 1/2 adapter is for, you know, Thunderbolt devices. The Thunderbolt 3 port itself natively outputs DP. What you want is a Type-C to miniDP or regular DisplayPort cable in that case. Why would you try to use a $50 adapter instead of a $10 cable?
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Shouldn't the 16GB 2133MHz RAM be of DDR4?! It shows DDR3 on the system report page. DDR3 memory chips are maxed out at 1000s MHz frequently level.
It's LPDDR3. The Intel Skylake memory controller supports regular DDR4 or LPDDR3, but not LPDDR4. Apple went with LPDDR3 because there's a significant power savings, but it also results in the 16 GB max RAM limit.

And before anyone says that power consumption is the same between LPDDR3 and DDR4 because they operate at the same voltage level, there's an order of magnitude difference between the two when measured in PJ/bit transferred for similar bandwidth levels.
 
See this underscores my point that people think they need adapters when they don't. The Thunderbolt 3 to Thunderbolt 1/2 adapter is for, you know, Thunderbolt devices. The Thunderbolt 3 port itself natively outputs DP. What you want is a Type-C to miniDP or regular DisplayPort cable in that case. Why would you try to use a $50 adapter instead of a $10 cable?
Exactly, the only adapter I need is for ethernet at work because I need the lower latency it provides. I also will be taking a USB-C to HDMI adapter with me in case I need to connect to a monitor that does not have a USB-C connection.

Everything else can be done with proper cables instead of adapters, which also eliminates a point of failure.
 
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