I feel like these MacBook Pros are Apple's Windows Vista.
OK, SIP being disabled is legit. So 3 issues, one of which is OS specific, although the other two may well be early driver issues.
What MDP adapter issue (actual question, wasn't aware of that one)?
I covered the Thunderbolt 3 device compatibility issue in my last post—nothing to do with Apple.
So "similarly fading quality across all of their product lines" would be based on the premise that Apple's quality is in fact fading. A rational analysis of their position indicates that they may be doing the best they can given the issues created by their component suppliers. I will say Apple is doing an outstanding job of not throwing their suppliers under the bus considering all the flack they're taking at their expense.
Post-factual feelings.I feel like these MacBook Pros are Apple's Windows Vista.
Can you please list all the articles your talking about? I follow this stuff fairly closely and haven't seen much, other than peoples options on how things should be, but not bugs or defects.
Except they are selling and have some technical (big) faults that a user could never know and don't compromise usability.I feel like these MacBook Pros are Apple's Windows Vista.
Fake speaker grilles - practical impact: zero. Worrying, though, because its another indicator of Apple losing its way on form vs. function: Apple/Ive's best designs have usually been functional, minimalistic and notably lacking in go-faster stripes.
No technical faults.Except they are selling and have some technical (big) faults that a user could never know and don't compromise usability.
You people on this blog keep on believing the whole world's population thinks with your mind.
Don't forget vastly increased reliability. The even smaller chassis of the 2016 rMBP 15 doesn't bode well for dGPU lifespan...Yep I would have preferred that to a discrete GPU with the annoying graphics switching.
It's Ive's head and hair force one's hair.Dude you look like Ivey.
You are 100% correct, it will fail in 2 weeks of usageDon't forget vastly increased reliability. The even smaller chassis of the 2016 rMBP 15 doesn't bode well for dGPU lifespan...
I don't make any comments on this forum to be "cool". If Apple was making a product that was worth praise, I am pretty sure there would be lots of positive comments on here.
Yeah, there will be some complaints, but if the products lived up to the Apple products from the past "Hello" events, then most of the comments would be people wanting to buy the product.
It's Ive's head and hair force one's hair.
Steve Jobs would never allowed that
Major or not is irrelevant. It's a bug nonetheless and the 2016 mbp's list of bugs is growing every day.
The "fake" speaker grills is not a new thing at all. And in this case, there are multiple platforms sharing a chassis that have different speaker configurations. Apple wants design consistancy across the product range and is also not going to tool up separate lines just to machine different speaker grill layouts. That type of cost savings is not form-over-function related at all.True - that one is a complete non-issue. It's useful to know - if you need all 4 ports use the "restricted" ones for charge, connecting displays or USB. Nobody seriously expected to be able to plug 4 x 40Gbps SSD RAID arrays into an ultrabook.
The mis-reporting the GPU is news, because it solves the mystery of some MBPs apparently shipping with better-than-specified graphics, and stomps on conspiracy theories about Apple cheating by having in-store display models with better graphics. Its not really a problem, but its news.
Fake speaker grilles - practical impact: zero. Worrying, though, because its another indicator of Apple losing its way on form vs. function: Apple/Ive's best designs have usually been functional, minimalistic and notably lacking in go-faster stripes. Not as serious as the real function-over-form issue, though: the fact that many technical decisions seem to have been forced by the Prime Directive of making the new MBPs even thinner and lighter that their predecessors.
USB-C/TB3: big problem: not enough choice of peripherals that really do things with USB-C/TB3 that couldn't be done before to make it a big improvement. Instead, we're paying $$$ for new cables and adapters just to use the same old peripherals. If Apple had put in the work and had a less-disappointing Thunderbolt display and a decent TB3 dock available on launch day then maybe things would be different.
Price: big problem. Y'know, I can easily afford one myself, but I also have to think about what I'm going to do when work colleagues need new machines and ask what to get, when it was already an uphill struggle to convince the Powers that Be to fund a £1200 Mac over a £500 Lenovo.... now its a £1500 minimum Mac plus £100+ worth of new cables just to use existing peripherals. Big changes in the past have usually been accompanied by big improvements in performance and functionality. Now, well, its not like you couldn't run a 4k or 5k display from the higher-specced older MBPs, and what TB3 hasn't bought is the DisplayPort 1.3 data rates needed for better 4k/5k support.
Frankly, I think the update we were all looking for, at least for the 15", was last year's 15" with the 2 TB2 ports replaced by 2 TB3/USB-C ports, refreshed processors & GPUs and everything else as-is. Its just too soon not to have at least one USB-A port.
See this underscores my point that people think they need adapters when they don't. The Thunderbolt 3 to Thunderbolt 1/2 adapter is for, you know, Thunderbolt devices. The Thunderbolt 3 port itself natively outputs DP. What you want is a Type-C to miniDP or regular DisplayPort cable in that case. Why would you try to use a $50 adapter instead of a $10 cable?There have been reports that Apples TB3-TB2 dongle doesn't support dp monitors.
You are still missing my point: the fact that lots of these things keep happening across all of their product lines and that is why people are complaining. You can nitpick the details about who is to blame but that doesn't stop the steady drip of "bad" news, to go along with switching to new ports forcing people to buy new dongles or cables as well as the premium price they are charging. I have a 15" MBP on order and haven't cancelled it, for what that is worth. But that doesn't mean people don't have legitimate points in what they post.
It's LPDDR3. The Intel Skylake memory controller supports regular DDR4 or LPDDR3, but not LPDDR4. Apple went with LPDDR3 because there's a significant power savings, but it also results in the 16 GB max RAM limit.Shouldn't the 16GB 2133MHz RAM be of DDR4?! It shows DDR3 on the system report page. DDR3 memory chips are maxed out at 1000s MHz frequently level.
Exactly, the only adapter I need is for ethernet at work because I need the lower latency it provides. I also will be taking a USB-C to HDMI adapter with me in case I need to connect to a monitor that does not have a USB-C connection.See this underscores my point that people think they need adapters when they don't. The Thunderbolt 3 to Thunderbolt 1/2 adapter is for, you know, Thunderbolt devices. The Thunderbolt 3 port itself natively outputs DP. What you want is a Type-C to miniDP or regular DisplayPort cable in that case. Why would you try to use a $50 adapter instead of a $10 cable?