Some AVP owners are already feeling disappointed of their purchase

[masotime]

Lol… so don’t buy it.

It’s funny how so many of the haters are essentially people who didn’t buy it. There’s little to no economic impact to them.

People who return it - I’m glad they did! They took the plunge for an experience and decided it wasn’t for them. For everyone else - do the rational thing and demo it at an Apple Store. Don’t let the negativity in this thread and the rest of the internet dissuade you. Decide for yourself.

Going to bow out of here. People here seem to have very set opinions and it’s hard to really get anything useful from this thread anymore.

 

[surferfb]

It doesn’t cost anything if you don’t buy it. You can also return it.

I really don’t understand the continued hate here - if you don’t want to buy it, just don’t. Why do you care about people who do? If they don’t like it, they can return it too.

People are weird… they actually enjoy being toxic.

This. I don’t have a dog in the fight - I’ll probably buy one, but waiting for more long term testing before I do, but it seems like a lot of people here either 1) want to make themselves feel better about not being able to comfortably afford buying one or 2) enjoy trolling.

This story is really familiar a for those of us who’ve been around for a while (I bought the original iPhone, iPad, and watch on launch day). Apple releases a compromised, minimally viable product that is expensive, feels like the future, but has a bunch of drawbacks. They’ll iterate and in a few years there’ll be a great v2 or v3 for the masses at a more reasonable price.

Meanwhile lots of on people on forums will scream about how the product is crap and overpriced and how anyone who enjoys it is an isheep/fanboy idiot.

 

[h.gilbert]

It's just a heavy VR headset that costs $3500, of course it's not going to be that amazing.

 

[tomtad]

Lol… so don’t buy it.

It’s funny how so many of the haters are essentially people who didn’t buy it. There’s little to no economic impact to them.

People who return it - I’m glad they did! They took the plunge for an experience and decided it wasn’t for them. For everyone else - do the rational thing and demo it at an Apple Store. Don’t let the negativity in this thread and the rest of the internet dissuade you. Decide for yourself.

Going to bow out of here. People here seem to have very set opinions and it’s hard to really get anything useful from this thread anymore.

He did buy it

 

[laptech]

It's the price tag that is causing people to speak out about their headset because lets face it, when you spend that kind of money on a device you expect it to work as it should do. People are going on about bugs and stuff because it's the first generation. That is just an excuse because if bugs and issues are to be expected then Apple should have priced the device much much lower, released it, iron out any issues and then release a no bug no issue device at the much higher price.

 

[soulreaver99]

So it sounds like the knit band is for the most part unwearable for extended periods of time and that the dual loop is the only way it’s tolerable.

Normally I would agree as I always appreciate the extra strap to support my head… however in this case I feel the dual loop band that comes with the AVP is so poorly and cheaply made that I find the knit band a lot more comfortable for me. YMMV but I feel that the straps are way too thin. They should have just added the loop to the knit band.

 

[Ludatyk]

It doesn’t cost anything if you don’t buy it. You can also return it.

I really don’t understand the continued hate here - if you don’t want to buy it, just don’t. Why do you care about people who do? If they don’t like it, they can return it too.

People are weird… they actually enjoy being toxic.

Welcome to the internet.

I think Rene had a good point… in order to get to Iron Man level of interacting with objects in that one scene when he was building the suit, or even in Minority Report when Tom Cruise was using those screens. Apple (and the industry) need to start somewhere.

People are looking at from a limited point of view and judging it based off the price tag, not considering all the technology along with resources that went into it (I deal with it in the foldable realm). But come 10 to 15 years (maybe less)… that’s when critics jump on board.

Unfortunately, we are at the beginning stages and the vision (no pun attended) for AVP is nowhere near where it should be. I’ve stated it before... it’s for early adopters and developers, that’s it. If anyone doesn’t fall into those two groups… should look elsewhere.

 

[vantelimus]

Sounds wildly less efficient than normal/other computing devices for anything besides viewing content.

Why is this "the future" again?
I'm confused.

This appears to be little more than a really high resolution, really expensive, content viewer.

It’s not bad. It isn’t just a content viewer, though it excels at that. You really have to try it for yourself. Reviews and a single day of use are insufficient to make any kind of judgment about its usefulness. There are things that are sub optimal, and other things that are much better than I thought they would be. I don’t think it’s ready for primetime as a development machine, but when it gets there, it will be a superior device.

An interesting thing that I’ve noticed is that the UI is a lot more flexible than appears from the reviews and the marketing material. You can do a lot of what you want to do just by using your fingers as a mouse, clicking on buttons directly on windows, moving text cursors around the screen with your finger, and generally interacting with virtual elements in space as if they were real. If you experiment a bit, you might be pleasantly surprised at what is possible. As a simple example, you don’t I have to look directly at a Safari page and pinch in order to scroll. You can use your finger and flick the page up and down the way you would be using an iPad or an iPhone. It makes the interface a lot quicker to use.

 

[ninethirty]

I didn't really expect so many disappointed people on Day 1:

Are you new to the internet? There is a certain quality of person who is always going to whine and complain and things. As is always the case, this is a very loud and vocal minority.

I sat in the Apple Store for a little over an hour yesterday and watched a ton of people going through the AVP demo. The smiles, and genuine excitement and amazement tell you all you need to know. People really enjoy this. But again, there's always going to be that minority that has nothing better to do than whine and complain online for attention.

 

[Antoniosmalakia]

That didn’t take long

I love the crackle glass effect. Maybe Apple can make that a feature to hide potential drops.

 

[odanrot]

Are you new to the internet? There is a certain quality of person who is always going to whine and complain and things. As is always the case, this is a very loud and vocal minority.

I sat in the Apple Store for a little over an hour yesterday and watched a ton of people going through the AVP demo. The smiles, and genuine excitement and amazement tell you all you need to know. People really enjoy this. But again, there's always going to be that minority that has nothing better to do than whine and complain online for attention.

This is so well said. I watched faces with amazement yesterday in the Apple Store. I thought of the engineers and software engineers who spent years on this product to make the best VR set on the market. The 5000 patents and even the risk the company took to bring this out. Doesn't it make you wonder why someone can't see all that, admire it, and still be ok with it not being what they need?

There's another thread I couldn't help but laugh at where a guy has 4 bulleted and bolded points on what Apple needs to do with this headset. I'll bet they get right on it! I'll also bet he hasn't seen one.

I admire the cameras Samsung comes out with in their phones, the new Humane AI Pin that will probably flop, the SteamDeck for portable gaming...they all have problems but they are pushing technology forward and it is awesome to see.

 

[turbineseaplane]

An interesting thing that I’ve noticed is that the UI is a lot more flexible than appears from the reviews and the marketing material. You can do a lot of what you want to do just by using your fingers as a mouse, clicking on buttons directly on windows, moving text cursors around the screen with your finger, and generally interacting with virtual elements in space as if they were real. If you experiment a bit, you might be pleasantly surprised at what is possible. As a simple example, you don’t I have to look directly at a Safari page and pinch in order to scroll. You can use your finger and flick the page up and down the way you would be using an iPad or an iPhone. It makes the interface a lot quicker to use.

Or you could just use a mouse (which I guarantee you is more precise)

So I can "look at something and pinch to scroll".
Why?

Guys, we are really really struggling to make excuses for this thing

 

[AppleWes]

no problems with mine!! whole family loves it…interface, hands gestures, 3d movies, Apples ecosystem all amazing…I have a quest 2 this thing blowing out of the water…no one wants to get off it…once price drops to reasonable level would need 4 more👍

How well did it fit other family members? Did you all have to face scan and buy individual light seals or can you share without many issues?

(apologies if silly question but have been curious how family and friends will be able to quickly share, especially with high price tag)

 

[Attirex]

I have found there are three main user types on Reddit:

1. those who are in abusive relationships
2. those who lure prostitutes to their apartments and then murder them.
3. everybody else

So, yeah, I don't pay much attention to Reddit.

 

[Jumpthesnark]

In other words you pause the TV, look at the stove and microwave timers, and work on your documents on your computer, none of which will bug you while using the other.

Everything you already own and does the same job.

I was replying to someone who asked why someone else would leave different screens "pinned" in different rooms.

If I have two pots going on the stove and something in the oven, how does one timer handle that? If I don't want to leave my laptop or an iPad on in the kitchen, with its screen on so I can glance at it as soon as I walk in, how is that the same as the use case I described? If I don't have a huge screen TV in the living room, how is that the same use case as having a movie on a screen that's been "pinned" in the living room? And leaving my work Mac on while I'm not using it simply isn't something I do.

Another user in this thread said they like leaving their news/stock apps on and pinned so they can glance at them. Likewise, you can have a "third screen" going while the movie or show is on, chatting and posting with friends. Now that iPad from the kitchen needs to be left powered on in the living room too.

So if I bought a few extra timers, didn't mind taking up space in my kitchen with a laptop or iPad, didn't mind going though their batteries or leaving them plugged in, bought another iPad and left it on in the living room, didn't mind leaving my work Mac and monitor turned on so I can use them without a second's delay, etc., then your comment would apply to the use cases I described. But this is exactly the kind of use the previous poster was describing.

I'm not here to urge you to buy one. I'm not a salesman. I'm trying to describe how someone else said they were happily using theirs. If it fits their lifestyle and what they want to do, who are you or anyone else to tell them they're wrong?

 

[Jumpthesnark]

So basically, what I can already do now without strapping the weight of an iPad Pro to my face...

Presently, I can pause a movie on the big screen in the living room, walk to the kitchen with Alexa managing timers, view that recipe on my phone or iPad, and return to my desk with the spreadsheet on my MacBook and external monitor.

Don't get me wrong, I love tech and utilize smart locks, smart plugs, and home automation, but the Vision Pro is such an unnecessary spend.

And later...

I do apologize for raining on the parade of others. I hear what you're saying and also subscribe to live and let live. I am guilty of some hypocrisy here.

Yes well no worries. There have been plenty of people here policing other people's buying decisions. There should be more of that "live and let live" you mentioned, everywhere, not just in the MR forums.

 

[AlumaMac]

So if I bought a few extra timers, didn't mind taking up space in my kitchen with a laptop or iPad, didn't mind going though their batteries or leaving them plugged in, bought another iPad and left it on in the living room, didn't mind leaving my work Mac and monitor turned on so I can use them without a second's delay, etc., then your comment would apply to the use cases I described. But this is exactly the kind of use the previous poster was describing.

So you’ll have an infinite supply of batteries on hand for the AVP in order to accomplish all these tasks continually and at a moments notice?

 

[turbineseaplane]

I can't even imagine trying to do any serious actual cooking with this scuba mask on

What a clunky waste of time

 

[iPhoneFan5349]

You didnt want what to happen? A tiny sliver of people are not happy with a brand new product that has never existed before? What personal stake did you have in this product?

Shareholder

 

[iPhoneFan5349]

Sounds wildly less efficient than normal/other computing devices for anything besides viewing content.

Why is this "the future" again?
I'm confused.

This appears to be little more than a really high resolution, really expensive, content viewer.

You lack vision. Anyone can see this is the future, it just needs polishing. You are like Balmer with the iPhone

 

[turbineseaplane]

You lack vision. Anyone can see this is the future, it just needs polishing. You are like Balmer with the iPhone

Appreciate your perspective. Cheers

 

[richard371]

I was 100% certain I would keep this device. I felt Apple over hyped it and so did the pre release viewers prob so Apple would not stop sending in them demos in the future. This thing is just not ready for prime time. I feel like I have a pair of bushnell binoculars strapped to my head. It’s going back unfortunately.

 

[cmbarclay]

He is wrong.

I would be so happy if the AVP lived to the expectactions Apple created with their marketing material, but sadly it doesn't. They haven't done any magic to remove some pain points like the weight, glare, fov, smearing, motion blur, passthrough...

Is it the best? Yes, is it enough? No

Right now we're seeing a lot of people trying a VR headset for the first time and saying it's amazing, and us with experience in VR headsets we already know how it is, we know what it will happen after the first WOW.

The problem this time is that it costs 4000$

Do you own one? Just curious.

 

[sunny5]

Well, I see a lot of disappointments with several issues so can't say OP is wrong.

 

[Jony Ive]

I was 100% certain I would keep this device. I felt Apple over hyped it and so did the pre release viewers prob so Apple would not stop sending in them demos in the future. This thing is just not ready for prime time. I feel like I have a pair of bushnell binoculars strapped to my head. It’s going back unfortunately.

For me this is the big problem.

Apple released some demo videos that look nothing what you see when you use the headset.

But then it was reviewers time. Time to really explain how it really is to use it. But they didn't deliver, they just praised the good things and only mentioned the headset being heavy as a con.

Only Nilay Patel from The Verge addressed some of the issues people are seeing today with the headset: small FOV, glare/mura, eyes tracking/fingers not working good, smearing, motion blur both from the cameras and the displays...

This says a lot of the famous youtubers. They were so scared from Apple not sending them again devices or they are not as tech savy as they seem to appear so they didn't notice any of this