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Sorry, but China has its own "Facebook" called Wexin a.k.a WeChat and it's like Facebook, but also integrates payments (think combining Facebook with all the info card companies - VISA, AmEx etc - have on you) and allows "installing" and using mini-apps from within the main app for things like hailing cabs, ordering food, e-transit card, so think of bundling social and payment info with what Apple and various apps have on you.

Edit: Oh, and everyone's on it. People don't even text, they text on WeChat, because an SMS costs 0.1 RMB ~ 1 cent and WeChat uses data allowance which is paid for in advance.
What are you saying sorry to?
China warning about FB, and China having a good social network on their own, are not mutually exclusive. Social networks have existed since the dawn of the internet, but this warning was specificically about FB.
 
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I have been thinking all along that using an iPhone in some way protects me more than using an Android device. I do subscribe to the WSJ and did read the whole article. They tested some 70 commonly used iOs Apps and found 11 of them sent over data to facebook even if the app user did not have a Facebook account. The type of data sent over is beyond shocking. For women using an App to keep track of ovulation cycle, all of that information was sent over to Facebook on a regular basis. Likewise News Corp owned realtor.com. and many more such Apps. I am losing trust in Apple.
Why are you blaming Apple for this?
 
Apple and especially Tim Cook , mr. Caraokee give a ... about privacy. It’s just a marketing instrument.
And his Stanford speech is just the topping on all that.

It’s just disgusting what comes out recently only about the App Store


"Apple's privacy policy partially unlawful

Apple had granted itself extensive rights to use customer data in the 2011 Privacy Policy. Under this policy, personal information should also be used for advertising, product and service improvement, and "internal purposes. Among other things, the company identified itself as having the right to share personal information with "strategic partners" and even to evaluate customers' precise location data for advertising purposes and make it available to other companies. Consumers were not asked whether they agreed.
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The Appellate Court emphasised that the DSGVO in force since 25 May 2018 was also applicable to clauses previously used. [...]"
(Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator)

https://www.vzbv.de/pressemitteilung/datenschutzrichtlinie-von-apple-teilweise-rechtswidrig
 
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One feature I really hope that iOS 13 has is finely grained privacy controls.

I want Apple to be very strict about where the data from your phone is going (when using sos) and then for them to track exactly what is flowing out. This can’t be beyond them, surely?

If this means that the App Store will lose lots of dodgy ad supporters and data scraping apps that’s ok by me.
 
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It’s only a secure connection if the VPN service isn’t tracking you or selling your data.

People who rely on VPNs for security and anonymity are fools.

Choose wisely.
You've got a point, I won't say they are fools though.
The tunnel/connection is secure so man in the middle attacks can't attack you there, what happens on the other side is of course a whole other story.
I block ads myself amongst trackers and other invading connections, sad thing is nobody knows how how much is going on on the internet, nobody, so even I with all my blocking will be fighting against something I can't win.
The internet should be rebuilt from scratch with security and privacy in the hands of the consumer, not the providers.
 
FB/Instagram is definitely a poison that many of us continue to take quite willingly. I don’t know when the day of reckoning is coming for FB/Zuck, but the sooner it does, the better for all of us I guess. Maybe that reckoning will come in the form of laws so comprehensive when it comes to protecting our privacy that FB’s current business model becomes a casualty. Either that or something comes out of FB that’s so reprehensible that some critical mass is achieved when it comes to the number of users who delete all of their accounts (Instagram included).
 
That won't even help in this case: "Facebook collects data from apps even if no Facebook account is used to log in and even if the user isn't a member of Facebook."

EDIT: Damn you, omihek. You snuck in just ahead of me. :)

This is scary.
 
Only way to reduce or mitigate data collection is living off the grid.
Sure, you either give up protecting your privacy or you stay off the internet. It is completely black and white. We might as well livestream 24/7.
 
Sure, you either give up protecting your privacy or you stay off the internet. It is completely black and white. We might as well livestream 24/7.
In real life, if someone catches you tracking someone else without their knowledge, you get arrested. It's illegal, but these apps and website track you without explicit notice and then sell that info. Until one or two CEOs go to jail for this nothing will change.
 
A lot of my apps have cellular data and background running disabled and they seem to work fine after the initial cellular data is disabled message. How much data gets transferred when I connect to wifi but all apps have been forced closed beforehand? FB app was deleted over 2 1/2 years ago and not signed in since then.
 
I have been thinking all along that using an iPhone in some way protects me more than using an Android device.

and i quess many believed the same. unfortunately the truth is something else... the page 17/19

https://assets.bwbx.io/documents/users/iqjWHBFdfxIU/rg5Kb.hn528o/v0

”Apple does not and cannot monitor what developers do with the customer data they have collected ... the relationship between the app developer and the user is direct.”

if you read the whole letter apple wrote, that pretty means ”apple doesnt really give a **** to anything” - unless they heard about it. not sure what ”approval process” truly means, but it doesnt mean that major of customers think.

remember that apple allowed developers to sell your data and making money for years, until last year their suddenly change the app policy. probably because many companies were on headlines of customer privacy and apple needed to do something before they are on headlines letting devs use and sell their customer data.
 
In real life, if someone catches you tracking someone else without their knowledge, you get arrested. It's illegal, but these apps and website track you without explicit notice and then sell that info. Until one or two CEOs go to jail for this nothing will change.
Some companies are likely to get fines in Europe for breaching data privacy rules. But executives going to prison for offence committed by their companies is very rare for all kinds of violations.
 
Some companies are likely to get fines in Europe for breaching data privacy rules. But executives going to prison for offence committed by their companies is very rare for all kinds of violations.
Fines are not big enough. If they make X selling info and thefine is 20% of that then they can pay fines after being discovered until the sun burns out.
 
If you clear history and cookies, it makes it harder for FB to get you. Also ad blockers would help block FB ads.

However contacts being used by Facebook anyway from the phone.. that sounds more of an issue with Apple allowing apps to do that than FB
 
I don’t have a Facebook yet their cookies and apps like this continue to submit data to them on my behalf. How is Facebook allowed to do this ?
 
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oh, remember that there is ”if you get caught you may be banned” -guideline for devs.’ (selling user data)... devs have made lots of money by selling user information for years until apple just on last year changed their policy ”if you get caught”... it is still not protected and you can only trust devs - but you know, easy money is easy money...

privacy in appstore/apps are pretty much hype apple managed to create.



isnt that the way apple marketed their appstore against playstore - every apps are checked and privacy was always important?

Right, shame on Apple for giving people an enhanced sense of privacy with Apple devices. When is the WSJ going to perform the same investigation with apps from the playstore?
 
That's the way facebook would like you to frame the issue.

The problem is Facebook Is Evil.
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How is Apple supposed to prevent this? Spend a week analyzing each release of each app, after it has been released (because developers can change the behavior on-the-fly by building in date checks or server checks), and from random coffee shops (because developers can detect Apple's IP range and prevent bad behavior while the reviewers are reviewing the app)?

Regardless of the reason Facebook does this, Apple has to be better. A lot of people choose iOS to not have this type of data extracted. If I wanted my heart rate data harvested I would be using android.
 
It’s exactly this kind of crippety-crap that gives rise to onerous stuff like the GDPR, which places ridiculous burdens on ethical companies just trying to provide honest services to consumers. Just wait, it’s only a matter of time before the US steps in with it’s own regulatory hell. The days of the Internet as we now know it are numbered...
The internet has been plagued with privacy issues for at least a decade. You'd have to go back to the last century to find an internet "as you now know it." When businesses began to widely front ".com" websites in the mid-90s, prior to which most sites ended in ".edu" or ".gov", harvesting of data for the purposes of targeting advertising to specific customers began. The reason that "onerous stuff" like the GDPR hasn't arisen in the U.S. is that most people in the U.S. appear to accept privacy invasion as a necessary evil for the convenience offered by web services, IOT, and the like. Companies in the past appeared to function quite well in providing "honest services to customers" without snooping into their private lives and habits, and particularly without prior consent. With the rapid deployment of mobile device use, GPS tracking further allows companies (and governmental snooping organizations like the NSA) to harvest your whereabouts throughout the day and further target you based upon your travel habits. This stuff won't stop without some sort of regulatory legislation backed by heavy fines/penalties for infractions, and the U.S. government has yet to be pressured into action - quite the contrary, of late, with agencies like the FCC mostly siding with big business.
 
Apple and especially Tim Cook , mr. Caraokee give a ... about privacy. It’s just a marketing instrument.
And his Stanford speech is just the topping on all that.

It’s just disgusting what comes out recently only about the App Store

To be fair, when stuff like this happens with any other store it’s not news
 
IMHO, people deserve what they are getting to be exposed by FB and others. No matter how much awareness you try to share they continue to opt for the free product because they are just too stingy. They are so stingy they will not even attempt to use FREE products.

For example you can use DuckDuckGo for search instead of Google or StartPage.Com which will give you Google results but will give you anonymity...for FREE!

You can use ProtonMail instead of Gmail for FREE and Signal instead of Whatsapp for FREE but nope...they insist on it.

15-20 years from now a lot of scandals are going to happen over archived and shared personal data of people. If Kevin Spacey was fired from Netflix and career destroyed over a sex scandal from the 80s with no tangible proof, you can only imagine what will happen to everyone else with all their mics, cameras, tracking chips, pictures, videos, conversations, and personal information stored, shared, and synced on the Google, Amazon, and FaceBook servers.

In this particular case it doesn't matter if you stop using it. They are still getting your data from other apps you use. Just delete any apps that are found to be doing this. Or turn off all your technology and go live out in the woods. Seems that might be the only way to maintain privacy these days. Smh.

This is what they want you to think that there is no option but to share your data-its just part of the modern life. This is a lie. There are "Safer" options and safer practices.
 
Apple and especially Tim Cook , mr. Caraokee give a ... about privacy. It’s just a marketing instrument.
And his Stanford speech is just the topping on all that.

It’s just disgusting what comes out recently only about the App Store

I think they genuinely care, but don't know what to do. I'm confident this is one area where Steve would be better at giving the riot act to bad actors.
 
Whether or not FB is creepy is less of a point in this article than the apps which are the ones sending the data. Especially the data that appears to breach FB's privacy agreement. It seems that this is an APP issue and Apple issue to address.
I agree. Since Apple has control of both software and hardware for its devices, it has an advantage over PC and Android companies in regulating the applications and communications for its products. It explains how PC and Android phone manufacturers tend to have more issues with security and malware, being largely at the mercy of companies like Microsoft and Google. Even companies as large as Dell and Samsung have little control in influencing policies of either MS or Google. Apple really should be able to force developers to abide by its security policies. So far, at least, Apple controls a large enough market segment for its phones and computers to set policy. Even FB would flinch a bit if it thought it might lose the Apple device market for even a short period of time, especially since Apple customers are far less likely to leave Apple in the event FB and other snoops were given the boot.
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there are adblock apps that use the vpn feature to tunnel all network requests and block certain ones, it's not an actual vpn

also, certain vpn services do provide adblocking via dns
VPNs are particularly good at masking location data based upon IP addresses; of course, if your mobile device is using cellular networks, location data can be betrayed via GPS and signal towers, regardless of IP.
 
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