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Some iPhone 4s Experiencing Display Discoloration?
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Yep. Rumor has it there may be an issue around reception/holding Vs. reception while lying untouched...
Exactly! They knew about this. They have their cover-up story waiting. First it starts with discrediting the owners and the blogs.
"...Apples and Oranges" Good one!
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I was bummed to hear about this reception issue folks. Now I don't feel bad about being told by Wal-Mart (I shuttered) in Lancaster, CA that they only have ONE (1) phone and I have to be the first ONE (1) @ midnight (it's open 24 hrs) and wait until 8am, in a line of ONE (1) person, to buy it. Then Radio Shack told me that the four in the area aren't getting any at all because of the overwhelming demand for pre-orders.
Unlike this site, which is overrun with Apple apologists?
I was all set to pick up the iPhone 4 tomorrow, but I think I may stick with the 3gs until these issues get addressed. I've had every iPhone model so far, and I've never seen the number or magnitude of issues the new model has been receiving.
Better to be safe than sorry, doesn't hurt to wait a week or so to see what the problem really is. Wish I did the same, sadly. My iPhone4 is truly beautiful, but I can't really make calls on it or surf on it unless I hold it correctly.
Apple's market cap exceeded Microsoft's this year. Coincidence?
WIFI is sensitive to network pollution, the problems might be explained with a bad antenna design, but over 700 active hotspots (not users, transmitting hotspots with their own wifi network) will bog any wifi down.
Yet the 3GS 'just worked'?
Something is fishy here, and I think it has something to do with Jonny Ive. Ever since he shot through the ranks, things haven't been right.
The white iPhones are coming out in only a few weeks (second half of July according to Apple's statement today). I seriously doubt Apple will retool their display manufacturing process between now and then. I hope you're right though as I plan on waiting for the white model as well.
There were problems when the 3G launched, and there were problems when the 3GS launched. Apple upped their quality control, and then the problems disappeared. This is no different. Steve will see the problems on the forums, look into the matter, have it fixed and up the quality control, and the problems will subside. 
This is how I see it:
Steve said "no one has ever done this before" about the antenna.
Then everyone just kinda presumed if the antenna was on the outside, it would be 'better'.
They hide all their prototypes in cases to look like 3gs's and therefore no one tested it properly?
I presume/read somewhere they build parts w/o knowing what it's for, or how the pieces will fit, due to secrecy. They work under "black cloths"? All this secrecy garbage and things weren't tested properly?
My fear is that it's 100% hardware/design related to the antenna bands and there is no software fix. Just making the software show 5 bars no matter what is not a fix. The dropped calls will only continue and Apple will go "full bars!" and blame ATT.
My pre-order got late, in the 2nd batch for July 2nd.
If Apple doesn't honestly address this issue within 24 hours I'm canceling. I encourage everyone else to do the same.
Steve said "no one has ever done this before" about the antenna.
Then everyone just kinda presumed if the antenna was on the outside, it would be 'better'.
They hide all their prototypes in cases to look like 3gs's and therefore no one tested it properly?
I presume/read somewhere they build parts w/o knowing what it's for, or how the pieces will fit, due to secrecy. They work under "black cloths"? All this secrecy garbage and things weren't tested properly?
My fear is that it's 100% hardware/design related to the antenna bands and there is no software fix. Just making the software show 5 bars no matter what is not a fix. The dropped calls will only continue and Apple will go "full bars!" and blame ATT.
My pre-order got late, in the 2nd batch for July 2nd.
If Apple doesn't honestly address this issue within 24 hours I'm canceling. I encourage everyone else to do the same.
Neither have 95%-99% of people.
Not really. It gives you an idea of Engadget readers' opinion of the issue. It's not confined in any way to iPhone 4 owners, and there's not even a useful mechanism to prevent multiple votes from the same person on Engadget. Obviously there are a number of people with this issue, and the fact that it seems localized to a particular region for the most part is something worth looking into.
I'm not making excuses for anyone. Saying one person is being absurd doesn't equate to a defense of whatever they're bitching about, nor does an explanation of how the industry works mean that the unlucky few shouldn't be disappointed. Calling the histrionics ridiculous doesn't mean there's not an issue to address. Defects happen, companies should address them through their warranty, and life goes on.
The crying and pitchforks you see sprinkled throughout here are unwarranted, unproductive, unnecessary, and outright obnoxious.
I don't know what planet you live on, but on this on, that's exactly what everyone does. The consumer price wars have one inescapable effect: people will not pay for perfection. They pay for "good enough" at any price class. The number of defects per 100 BMWs is 113. The number per 100 Kias is 126.
The cost to make those numbers zero is far more than consumers are willing to pay. Reality.
Well, this isn't anything like that, and even if it were, losing 10% on a car designed to have 180% of the minimum safe braking capacity would also not be the end of the world. This is a purely cosmetic issue, and more ridiculous hyperbole won't change anything.
New products often have issues. When replacement stock is available, you'll get an exchange. Fallacious arguments about price and completely unrealistic expectations of perfection in consumer products won't change a thing. Just makes one look like another Internet crazy person.
That's quite a selective memory, then. Every iPhone has had immediate complaints of some issue or another. Most new products do. The initial order rush leaves few for swapping, and things level out after release. This is really not that different. The difference is that this forum has grown immensely in that time, for better or worse.
My Opinion!
Okay so here is my opinion on all the craziness revolving around defective iPhone 4's.
First the Yellow Stain!
I figure around 350,000 of the 600,000 pre-ordered iPhone 4's have been delivered by now. OBVIOUSLY just a guess!
By Gizmondos current estimate of 27+ reported cases (yellow stain), and for all intensive purposes, there are probably those not being reported. Lets figure that even if the total number was 10,000 defective units out of the estimated 350,000 shipped so far, that is only a 2-3% defective rate, which is absolutely normal for a mass produced product.
So lets just assume this holds true when all 600,000 pre-ordered iPhones are sold and shipped tomorrow, thats 18,000 units out of the 600,000 sold that may be defective.
Thats 18,000 units that will be under warranty, and will have to be replaced by Apple.
So now that we can estimate the big picture, its really not that bad, when only 27+ cases where actually reported so far.
I would say my estimates of 18,000 defective units are a worst case scenario anyway, and a worst case scenario of a 2-3% defective rate, come on?
And we know Apple will make good on the defective merchandise!
Now for the ANTENNA ISSUE!
Apple, would not release hardware in a product after a year of testing, that would so greatly drop calls.
Obviously the design was heavily tested before Apple would send it through production.
The likelihood of a product making its way through testing for months and months with this big of a hardware issue is so substantially ridiculous.
So my opinion, its a software issue. Mostly with the displaying of signal quality. That may or may not effect call quality. ???
However its a simple fix regardless. Send us a firmware update Apple!
Thats my opinion, let me hear yours!
Til then I await picking up my iPhone 4 tomorrow, fingers crossed!
-Frank
Okay so here is my opinion on all the craziness revolving around defective iPhone 4's.
First the Yellow Stain!
I figure around 350,000 of the 600,000 pre-ordered iPhone 4's have been delivered by now. OBVIOUSLY just a guess!
By Gizmondos current estimate of 27+ reported cases (yellow stain), and for all intensive purposes, there are probably those not being reported. Lets figure that even if the total number was 10,000 defective units out of the estimated 350,000 shipped so far, that is only a 2-3% defective rate, which is absolutely normal for a mass produced product.
So lets just assume this holds true when all 600,000 pre-ordered iPhones are sold and shipped tomorrow, thats 18,000 units out of the 600,000 sold that may be defective.
Thats 18,000 units that will be under warranty, and will have to be replaced by Apple.
So now that we can estimate the big picture, its really not that bad, when only 27+ cases where actually reported so far.
I would say my estimates of 18,000 defective units are a worst case scenario anyway, and a worst case scenario of a 2-3% defective rate, come on?
And we know Apple will make good on the defective merchandise!
Now for the ANTENNA ISSUE!
Apple, would not release hardware in a product after a year of testing, that would so greatly drop calls.
Obviously the design was heavily tested before Apple would send it through production.
The likelihood of a product making its way through testing for months and months with this big of a hardware issue is so substantially ridiculous.
So my opinion, its a software issue. Mostly with the displaying of signal quality. That may or may not effect call quality. ???
However its a simple fix regardless. Send us a firmware update Apple!
Thats my opinion, let me hear yours!
Til then I await picking up my iPhone 4 tomorrow, fingers crossed!
-Frank
There are a number of things I don't like, being:
1) No white iPhone models yet.
2) Still not available internationally.
3) The back of the black iPhone is not that scratch resistant after all.
4) Screen discoloration.
5) Reception problems (a software glitch?).
6) The IPS display is a real battery drainer and that is why the battery capacity/size had to be increased, and was the CPU speed reduced.
7) Opt-out instead of opt-in for iAds (and system wide only).
8) Apps might need the Location Services API, but that also enables the developer to use it for iAds; you either disable Location Services on a per app basis (turning it off system wide is stupid) or opt-out of iAds system wide.
But I personally wouldn't go out without my iPhone 4. Not a single day. Not even with the boring black one. Waiting for the day that my white one arrives
1) No white iPhone models yet.
2) Still not available internationally.
3) The back of the black iPhone is not that scratch resistant after all.
4) Screen discoloration.
5) Reception problems (a software glitch?).
6) The IPS display is a real battery drainer and that is why the battery capacity/size had to be increased, and was the CPU speed reduced.
7) Opt-out instead of opt-in for iAds (and system wide only).
8) Apps might need the Location Services API, but that also enables the developer to use it for iAds; you either disable Location Services on a per app basis (turning it off system wide is stupid) or opt-out of iAds system wide.
But I personally wouldn't go out without my iPhone 4. Not a single day. Not even with the boring black one. Waiting for the day that my white one arrives
I received my iPhone 4 today & there has been no problems.. I wrapped my hands around the antenna & didn't lose one bar. I wrapped both my hands on each side & no bar was lost. I also did the same to my girls & nothing.. I have had GREAT service all day, and no drop calls.. Internet has been real fast, so I have nothing but positive things bout this phone. No yellow stains for me either...
Lower right corner yellow discoloration here, ugh...
Never had day-1 issues with an Apple product before, but maybe I was just lucky before.
I don't think this is the norm, but it's affecting an awful lot of people, of course the majority of people replying will be those *with* the issue and not those without, like how 65% of the Engadget poll is people who don't even own the iPhone 4.
So yeah, I'm enjoying the new phone, not thrilled with how sharp it feels in my pants pocket unlike the 3gs, but once I find the right case I'm sure I'll not even care, been using a Nexus One slip cover for my 3GS for a few months now, need something like that for my iPhone 4.
Never had day-1 issues with an Apple product before, but maybe I was just lucky before.
I don't think this is the norm, but it's affecting an awful lot of people, of course the majority of people replying will be those *with* the issue and not those without, like how 65% of the Engadget poll is people who don't even own the iPhone 4.
So yeah, I'm enjoying the new phone, not thrilled with how sharp it feels in my pants pocket unlike the 3gs, but once I find the right case I'm sure I'll not even care, been using a Nexus One slip cover for my 3GS for a few months now, need something like that for my iPhone 4.
Then I suggest you book a Genius Bar appointment and get it swapped for a faulty one before they run out!
You have issues with yours?Then I suggest you book a Genius Bar appointment and get it swapped for a faulty one before they run out!
UK or US???
are only similar serial numbered iPhones affected by the display problem?