Umm - that's true in '09. I'm looking at '13 here, and there is nothing but empty space in the bottom left corner of the document window....
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Some Power Users Are Unhappy With Lost Features in the New iWork
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Umm - that's true in '09. I'm looking at '13 here, and there is nothing but empty space in the bottom left corner of the document window....
but the rewritten software has to have removed and lesser features than its predecessor?
i think its a shame and a farce to see how far people can go try and justify this (people like gruber). nobody here would think about doing that if it was just another 3rd party app. hell look at grubers posts when google removes a feature or an app
i dont think apple is ever going to think apps/services like maps and office apps are cool enough to give them the attention they need which is why i think they should just stay out of them. assist projects like libreoffice and dont worry that you have to force apple on everyone. thinking you have to take on your competitors in everything they do will only lead to failure.
numbers for instance is already 6 year old and its development moved at a snails pace. i dont think apple has showed us anything recently to give us hope iwork will be up to to par in a decent time
Well, that is why I said I understand and sympathize with your point of view. You see some of the comments as a personal attack on your professionalism. And that is why I say you can do professional level work with nearly any tool, particularly if the type of professional work you do is not very technically demanding. However, a "pro-level" tool must have a feature set that accommodates a wider variety of sophisticated situations or it cannot be called a pro tool. And frankly I don't think Apple claims Pages is a professional level product.
As a graphic designer I can say that InDesign is a professional level page layout tool. As a writer I can say that Word is a professional level writing program. And as a photographer I can say that a Canon 5D Mk2 is a professional level camera. That does not mean I couldn't design a decent page in Pages, write a great article in a text editor, or take a great photo on my iPhone. It just means that all of the latter products lack feature sets that would make them pro-level tools.
Agree. They probably ran out of time or there was not enough resource investment or both.
Agree again. Apple's office package certainly could have used some more attention. But we don't know maybe this is a new start. I have the impression that Cook listens more to the consumer than Jobs did.
Umm - that's true in '09. I'm looking at '13 here, and there is nothing but empty space in the bottom left corner of the document window....
I'm looking at it now, and you are right, it doesn't seem to be anywhere that I can find. I even opened a document set up in '09 for facing pages and it opens in the new version in single pages. Apparently the document can still be formatted for facing but no longer can be viewed that way. Annoying but not a deal killer.
The biggest omission that I can find right off is when I open a template I created in the old version that included sections. Apparently, I can no longer add a section or page based on the template. If this powerful feature is really gone, I cannot use Pages '13 for anything. That would be (or is) a deal killer.
Has anyone found a user's guide for iWork '13? I have looked high and low.
this is maps fiasco all over again. apple said in june (think it was) that something big was to be expected from iworks and that included both macos and ios as they focused mostly the cloud version then. to me two things are happening a) they dont have a clue what these apps should have featurewise and what were the most beloved features and b) the time and resources it takes which is perhaps more alarming.
nobody out there was crying out for a feature stripped office suite.
i think he may give off that more of an everyman vibe but i dont think he has any less arrogance and believe that he is above the customers. jobs could pull it off because he delivered in many ways (obviously not iwork).
dont play the game if you arent going to do it seriously and starting like they did dosent fill me with confidence.
GarageBand has always been "fun and easy" to use in every version, but this newest version gutted a lot of the core functionality of the previous iteration, all in the name of simplification. The addition of Drummer is nice, but I'd rather be able to use EZDrummer, Amplitube, and the other plugins I paid good money for.
Apple knows full well they were going to piss a lot of people with this "dumbing down" of iLife & iWork. Why else would they have it so that when you install these apps, the older versions remain ? Because they knew their "field stripping" of these apps would anger a lot of people so they wanted to leave a way to use the older, more capable apps.
My professional work is technically demanding, though perhaps not in the way you mean. I am a researcher and writer by profession and I can say without qualification that Pages (at least in its previous incarnations) is a fully professional writing tool. I would much, much rather use it for serious writing than Word, if for no other reason than it gets out your way and lets you write. It also allows me to produce high-quality reports with ease. Based on what I see coming from others in my profession (a great many truly grotesquely formatted reports produced in Word), I think Pages gives me a clear professional edge. The fact that Pages doesn't have a bunch of obscure features that hardly anyone uses doesn't change that fact.
BTW, can you use the quote button to respond to my posts? It quotes back, and I can see much more easily that you are responding to me. Thanks.
The simple fact is iWork was neglected by Apple for years. It received an update every now and then just so it can function properly on a new version of OS.
And now ...
The way i see it if you assigned just one developer in 2009 to work on these 3 apps this wouldn't be the result we have to day.
And now ...
The way i see it if you assigned just one developer in 2009 to work on these 3 apps this wouldn't be the result we have to day.
Why do "Apple Fanatics" have this mindset that everything has to be "pro" or "consumer"???
When I was exclusively a PC user, I used to assemble a new machine every 18 months or so for myself. The 1st time a Mac user asked me "Are you building a "consumer" or "pro" machine", it really cracked me up... I build the BEST Machine based on what is out - the fastest processor, the best GPU, the newest soundblaster card, etc....
In the "Apple Fanatic" community (I consider myself a Mac "User") there is the mindset that people at home don't need the best, and just want substandard (consumer) hardware and crippled software.....
I want the best at home and at work, and it makes life a lot easier if you are using the SAME tools either place.... What am I missing here???
Exactly, so removing features could be seen as a means to reaching that goal (fun and easy). But regarding your previous comment, it appears that plugin support is still there so it seems the error here was behind the keyboard, as is so often the case.
Not understanding the purpose and intended audience and looking at things in the absolute is backwards the way I see it. Looking at Garageband's place and purpose among other applications is more fitting, in this case there is a more advanced and capable alternative from Apple.
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Soundblaster is not a professional sound card as a start, same goes for non redundant power supplies, no hot swap disks, or ECC memory. Are you saying that the needs are always the same, no matter who you ask?
Well he asked you a normal question, because based on what you are going to do you can lower the price of the computer significantly. For example if you are some accountant do you really need high end GPU and 7.1 sound blaster? You would be OK with some Core i3, 8 GB of RAM, an ok SSD and most importanly big display.
His question was valid.
Exactly that. I wrote a dissertation, half of another book and a score of articles in Pages. My department's reports which I prepare with the app are miles ahead of those prepared by my peers in terms of looks. And all of this without going into complicated DTP. In a world where .doc (and an occasional pdf) rather than .tex is standard, Pages was very good, handling 500k characters-long projects with ease.
Conclusions: Apple's message to us, whether we agree with it or not, is that desktop is now subsidiary to mobile. For those who weren't using Pages on the desktop for years, the new version offers a seamless experience between desktop and mobile. The interface is clean and suitable for most word processing tasks. And it's free. For those who have been using Pages on the desktop for years, and have come to appreciate the depth of an app that in its previous iterations successfully combined word processing and design features, Apple just poked us in the eye with a very sharp stick. Their direction has changed, even if our requirements have not. So the article is essentially correct. It's the power users of iWork who have the grievance.
The ones that started using iWork on mobile devices most likely won't be doing so on a desktop computer.
I wrote, designed, and created the camera-ready art for a 200 page book in Pages. I could not have done this with the new version.
No complaining here, the software is free. It's a simple suite that fulfills my university needs.
Jeez guys, you are frightening me. Saving the old version on my external HDD right now... It was perfect for my semi-professional purposes, I didn't feel the need to upgrade to Logic. So you are saying important functions have been left out from this new version? I didn't have the time to explore it yet...
I'm frantically trying to find my iWork '09 disc or disk image so I can install these apps on my new iMac and Macbook Air when I get them.
Does anyone know if it will be possible to update them to the latest versions, i.e. Pages 4.3 (from 4.0, which is what my disk will install)? Or will updating convert them to 5.0?
Does anyone know if it will be possible to update them to the latest versions, i.e. Pages 4.3 (from 4.0, which is what my disk will install)? Or will updating convert them to 5.0?
Beta testers always suffers ...
As a user standpoint, i say to any power user out there : "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."
Hold on to your ios 6, don't update your iwork if it gets dumbed down, and stay with the hardware that let you do so.
Wait until 64 bit architecture get a grip on momentum, otherwise as an early adopter you'll suffer from beta symptoms.
As a user standpoint, i say to any power user out there : "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."
Hold on to your ios 6, don't update your iwork if it gets dumbed down, and stay with the hardware that let you do so.
Wait until 64 bit architecture get a grip on momentum, otherwise as an early adopter you'll suffer from beta symptoms.
I just thought I'd add my own comments. The new Pages is a mess. I produce a monthly magazine and have used Pages '09 for years and loved it. It was powerful and yet clean and simple to use. This new version is some sort of sick joke. Apple got rid of text boxes and spanning. There's only a single ruler at the top of the screen, so precise layout is impossible. Basically, the program is now a minor step up from TextEdit.
And to add insult to injury, there's no way to reset Pages '09 as the default application to open Pages documents; even Get Info > Change All has no effect.
At least the old Pages wasn't replaced and still functions fine. But really -- what the heck was Apple thinking? Are they trying to alienate their users?
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When you click on the "Help" menu now, it opens Safari. The "manual" is now entirely online.
And to add insult to injury, there's no way to reset Pages '09 as the default application to open Pages documents; even Get Info > Change All has no effect.
At least the old Pages wasn't replaced and still functions fine. But really -- what the heck was Apple thinking? Are they trying to alienate their users?
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When you click on the "Help" menu now, it opens Safari. The "manual" is now entirely online.
This is all my fault. As a beta tester I wrote that iWork on the web was useless if the feature set was different from iWork on the Mac. The beta software would convert my Mac documents and strip out any fonts or features the web based iWork could not handle.
So Apple's "fix" is to make the Mac version as dumb as the others. Bringing the others up to the level to the Mac's level would have cost to much development time and money
OK, not 100% my fault as I assume everyone made the same comment, they needed identical features on all platforms. But what a stupid why to do that.
I do keep a copy of Microsoft Office for "serious work". But Apple is just shooting themselves in the foot and giving us all fewer and fewer reasons to own a Mac.
So Apple's "fix" is to make the Mac version as dumb as the others. Bringing the others up to the level to the Mac's level would have cost to much development time and money
OK, not 100% my fault as I assume everyone made the same comment, they needed identical features on all platforms. But what a stupid why to do that.
I do keep a copy of Microsoft Office for "serious work". But Apple is just shooting themselves in the foot and giving us all fewer and fewer reasons to own a Mac.
Does "Here, let me cripple your current usable software line so I can induce you to buy our $200 alternative" sound right to you?
I am staying on the old one and I will check on updates for the new one regularly to see where it's going. But all of the sudden, people who used to use certain features are orphaned, since the old suite will no longer be supported and there's no guarantee the new suite will get the features back. It's the same situation with iWork.
Yeah, if you like GarageBand '11, keep it. You can install both side-by-side to keep tabs on where the new one is going, but always back up your old one. I'm staying with '11.Jeez guys, you are frightening me. Saving the old version on my external HDD right now... It was perfect for my semi-professional purposes, I didn't feel the need to upgrade to Logic. So you are saying important functions have been left out from this new version? I didn't have the time to explore it yet...