What would you use the mouse for in a touch interface? iOS wasn't designed for mouse input at all
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That's the issue, iOS doesn't really have that facility to use or interact with a mouse and that's why for many people its a poor fit for being a complete laptop replacement.
Why not just use the iPP for how you need to use it. There's no need for a "challenge" For some its a great tool, for others, the laptop is a better option. One size doesn't fit all.
In my experience, the IPP could not replace my laptop, why because I use Lightroom and Photoshop. I have hundreds of gigabytes of images in my LR catalog and given that LR in iOS doesn't have all the same features as OS X, that more or less kills it for me.
There's other facets of my usage, patterns that make the IPP poor fitting (as a laptop replacement). I may get one, but not for replacing the laptop.
One of the most common things that many professionals use their laptops for is to connect to a computer using a remote desktop app. While such apps do exist for the iPad, the experience is not so good due to it not having mouse support. Windows and OSX don't really play too well with touch. So other than using the iPad to connect to a remote desktop in an emergency, it's not really a practical way to work. Adding mouse support would make the iPad Pro usable as a terminal computer connecting to a remote desktop.
I find that switching modes on TeamViewer or Splashtop and using the iPad screen as a trackpad works incredibly well.
Over a year ago, long before the ipp, I fell for the samsung note pro 12.2". It has a pen that actually fits into the tablet and it is free. The screen is superior. It's a great, fast, brilliant android tablet and long before the ipp it was billed as a laptop replacement. Go on you tube and watch the reviews and tests.In any case, I sold my 13" mba and began using my note pro 12.2 as a laptop replacement, using a very slick blue tooth samsung keyboard and mouse. I even wrote a number of chapters for a now published non-fiction book. But eventually the enchantment wore off. I now have a rmb, mba etc and the big tablet now sits mainly in its charger. The whole laptop replacement craze, I'm certain, will soon fade away. Still, my note pro 12.2, like the ipp, is great for the basics and on a bigger playing field than standard size tablets
I can think of many reasons why an iPP couldn't replace a laptop, but that reason makes no sense. I'm currently typing this post from iPP on my lap, and I also have no problems whatsoever using iPads on a train. A laptop, on the other hand... I've seen people using them on trains, but that's not something I'd want to do myself. Looks way too awkward and prone to accidents.
I think the general idea of my original post was not to jumpstart more speculation and to fuel the uninformed opinion fire...There are many people who base their buying decisions on reviews. Im sure everyone agree there have been countless "Reviews" of the IPP where the reviewer goes on and on about what can't be done without actually attempting to test the device... a simple example is reviews of the pencil and IPP by non artists..writing your name and scribbling some lines isn't a test or a review.
Its been stated in this thread that you can't use the IPP in some cases due to the lack of a mouse which is needed for precise interaction with mac apps.
Ive been using astropad to remote into my iMac for weeks everyday. I use photoshop, lightroom, bitTorrent and many other apps where the pencil easily replaces the "mouse" as an input device...the apple pencil allows for this because of its precision.
I agree that there is no real need to choose between a laptop and an iPad. If either one fills your computing needs than it becomes a monetary and form factor based decision.
That being said, there is as I said many people who are still asking the question, "can I replace my laptop with an IPP?"
in this instance I am speaking to the personal questions of can I do this or that with the IPP?... I am not really speaking about the silicon valley hypothetical question if the IPP is some sort of laptop killer that has rendered "folding computers" aka laptops irrelevant.
My point in starting this thread is to provide some real world data to people who say to themselves, I would love an IPP if only I was sure it could handle the tasks I need it to.
Also, just because there isn't an exact workflow on the IPP that on uses on their laptop or desktop doesn't mean that there isn't a different workflow for the IPP that works equally well and yields the same results. The way I used adobe creative suite in my workflow 2 years ago is totally different than today because of the IPP yet my results remain basically the same.
Moving forward - maybe it would be more productive if people posted apps or new workflows on the IPP that would help people decide what they can do with an IPP and if it is a viable device for their needs..?!!
Thanks for all the responses so far..
Its been stated in this thread that you can't use the IPP in some cases due to the lack of a mouse which is needed for precise interaction with mac apps.
Ive been using astropad to remote into my iMac for weeks everyday. I use photoshop, lightroom, bitTorrent and many other apps where the pencil easily replaces the "mouse" as an input device...the apple pencil allows for this because of its precision.
I agree that there is no real need to choose between a laptop and an iPad. If either one fills your computing needs than it becomes a monetary and form factor based decision.
That being said, there is as I said many people who are still asking the question, "can I replace my laptop with an IPP?"
in this instance I am speaking to the personal questions of can I do this or that with the IPP?... I am not really speaking about the silicon valley hypothetical question if the IPP is some sort of laptop killer that has rendered "folding computers" aka laptops irrelevant.
My point in starting this thread is to provide some real world data to people who say to themselves, I would love an IPP if only I was sure it could handle the tasks I need it to.
Also, just because there isn't an exact workflow on the IPP that on uses on their laptop or desktop doesn't mean that there isn't a different workflow for the IPP that works equally well and yields the same results. The way I used adobe creative suite in my workflow 2 years ago is totally different than today because of the IPP yet my results remain basically the same.
Moving forward - maybe it would be more productive if people posted apps or new workflows on the IPP that would help people decide what they can do with an IPP and if it is a viable device for their needs..?!!
Thanks for all the responses so far..
Yeah they do speak...loudly. And not in the IIP's favor. Running a large healthcare company I decided to put it to the test like you said. I use Excel everyday and rely on it to push some very complicated financial and statistical modeling as well as some Visual Basic scripting. IIP could not handle it. We rented a Red Digital Cinema camera to make some medical/dental related films. Apple reps told me that the IIP would be able to edit three 4K movie streams - all at the same time. We had no problem editing the raw R3D files in FCP X on our Mac Pro and even on my 7 year old MBP. The IPP would not open these files in iMovie. So I converted one of the files to .MOV format - and IPP failed me once again. So I went back to the reps who fed me this baloney and now they tell me that it is not the IIP fault - it is iMovie's inabilty to handle the file structures. Gasping in amazement I couldn't believe what I was hearing. So the iPad Pro "pro" status means what?
Not really. Not even close. Good luck with the astropad lag
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I gasp in amazement that someone wants to video work on a tablet with no pointer device and no external storage. What the point?
I'm sure you mean "user accessible interface to the file system' because iOS does, indeed, have a file system.
I just don't understand the need to 'organize files' - it's an antiquated metaphor for dealing with data, just like having a 'desktop'. I know these things are personal preferences, but dealing with 'files' is something I want to leave behind ASAP.
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I LOVE editing my training videos on my iPad. Depending on the needs of the video, sometimes I can do everything on the iPad, other times I need to bring it onto the Macbook, but my preference is the iPad.
How is the filesystem argument not real?
What if I want to airdrop some video files over to my iPad Pro? Probably won't support them.
What if I want to download an album from bandcamp.com and then manage the files? Can't. It's either buy on iTunes or sync the files with a computer.
What if I have thousands of jpgs that I want to organize in folders on my own? I can't, every image file gets thrown into Photos even though I only want photos I've taken with my iPhone to be in Photos.
If the iPad Pro and iOS is going to make the next step, it needs to be able to download stuff in Safari. It needs Finder. It needs to be able to download apps from the web (Software companies will NEVER give Apple a 30 percent cut on their pro software). It needs Xcode. It needs more robust file support like OS X.
From a power standpoint, the iPad Pro can do all these things easily. Apple just needs to support them. iPad Pro will never become a "computer" until it does those things.
Frightening how much many are stuck in the "this is the way computers have to work" - Be a little open and very much is possible on iOS, just differently done.
It can. You just need an app to save it to.
You could also download your jpgs into a file management app, like GodReader, and probably Documents, and organize them to your heart's content. You aren't forced to save them to the stock photo app, unless you want to. You can't download mp3s to the stock music app, but you can download them to other media playing apps. And yes, you can airdrop videos, though maybe not from the stock video app.
Just curious, where are you getting all of these statistic from about most people associating work with things they do on the side to make money, very, very few professionals having a problem replacing a laptop with an IPP and, very few people using Windows or Mac specific apps for work? This all seems very anecdotal. I can easily turn it around from my own anecdotal evidence that refutes all of your statements.
I use a Mac Pro at work and my iPad Pro has replaced my personal laptop. I don't even own the laptop anymore. I also use the iPad Pro in meetings, etc at work and it handles standard business fare perfectly fine. I don't know why calling something a laptop replacement is so controversial, it seems people go off the rails coming up with insane use cases that 0.01% of the population would ever have. If you spend the majority of your time 3D rendering, or editing 4K video, obviously an iPad Pro is not going to replace your computer. It's just common sense. I also wouldn't buy a 13" Macbook Pro for that purpose, either. If you spend your time in Outlook, Safari, and Powerpoint like a lot of people do, an iPad Pro will do just fine.
I totally agree. I mean, people saying they can use an iPad as their *only* computer, those, I feel, are edge cases. But replacing your laptop with an iPad means replacing one mobile and secondary device with another. Its just not such a big deal as some people make it out to be.
A "regular" ipad air would do fine for those three things. An ipad pro is suppose to do things a regular ipad air won't do. At least that is what the Apple reps lead me to believe.
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The Apple reps we consulted promised us the IIP would edit three streams of 4K video at the same time with no hiccups. We did not dream up this claim. It came straight from the mouth of Apple. I'm not saying it can't be done theoretically on an IIP, but we could not duplicate what the reps told us we could do with the footage produced by the Red Digital Cinema camera that we rented. Our amazement came from the fact that they promised us we would have no problem when in fact they knew the limitations of imovie. There is an expectation that a pro model can do things that a non pro machine can't do. I believe the IPP has the necessary horsepower - but it is severely crippled by the operating system.
Again--my comment went to the issue of storage and no pointer device making ipad pro a bad video editing choice, regard of file type issues
You mean it's not applicable to you, but for many it's perfectly true.
You can't sit an iPad on your lap, it has to be held and the keyboard options frankly suck. The SP is leagues ahead of the IPP in that regard.
Hows it a metaphor, it's a requirement of use for pretty much any business app... Where do I store my files? The device must always be connected to a cloud or repository in order to use it. So mid flight over the Atlantic makes it pretty pointless. The fact it has no useable file system therefore for many means it's not possible to replace a laptop. This is why android devices with usb or SDcards are leaps and bounds ahead. IPP for me is a toy at best.
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I used to complain about this but not anymore. You should really try some of those file manager apps. Some of them are even better than Finder on a Mac for some tasks.
A very nice free app called "Documents" can do all of this very easy. I own a music production company, and using Documents I am able to download albums from the web or from my FTP site (unzip files when needed), rename the files, listen to them, organize them in folders, and upload them back to my FTP or to my Microsoft OneDrive. It can do the same with pictures, PDF files, and Microsoft Office files.
The iPad is all about apps. Yes, if you buy an iPad Pro and refuse to download any apps from the app store, then it is far less capable using the factory installed apps than a MacBook would be using its factory installed apps.
But if you spend some time looking for the right apps, it is far more capable than you would think.
The issue is the lack of integration into the OS, its a kludgey work around in iOS. I do wish apple would make some of those changes to enhance iOS.
You can, with a Smart Cover or other cases designed to prop up an iPad.
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You can buy iPads with up to 128 GB of storage. Just download files you need before getting on your flight. You have to do the same thing with laptops too. The only difference is on an iPad, files are stored within each app, and there's no user accessible file manager on a system-wide level.
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I'm not so sure working everything into the OS is always a good idea. Users like us know what "files" are and how to use a file manager. But there are a significant number of users who don't understand the concept of files. If you ever had to support those types of users, you know a conversation always begins by trying to figure out where that important file has gone, and all their files are in one jumbled mess in My Documents or the Desktop. For those types of users, not having a file manager is a good thing. Just like I don't need Final Cut, because I never edit movies, not building file managers into the OS, and letting users who need one download one, can be a good thing.
I understand what you're saying but overall, I think it will increase the power and flexibility of iOS. I mean attaching files in iOS can be a chore if not impossible depending on what you're looking to do, as an example. There's work arounds to be sure, but building a work flow on work arounds and add-ons can produce a fair amount of headaches.