Digital writing/sketching. Tablet form factor for reading. Its so tiresome--people always overlook this in surface discussions as well
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Ah, ok. That makes total sense. I doubt Apple will fuse iOS and OS X, but I do think eventually, iOS will get to the point where it will meet the computing needs of most people, including yours. You may need to be a bit patient, though. When I got my first laptop, I remember thinking, if only I could detach the screen so I could read without having to deal with the keyboard. It took about 20 years for the iPad to come out since I first thought that!
Ah, ok. That makes total sense. I doubt Apple will fuse iOS and OS X, but I do think eventually, iOS will get to the point where it will meet the computing needs of most people, including yours. You may need to be a bit patient, though. When I got my first laptop, I remember thinking, if only I could detach the screen so I could read without having to deal with the keyboard. It took about 20 years for the iPad to come out since I first thought that!
Oh wow, I hope I don't have to wait that long!
I literally just want the product to be in iOS when not attached to the keyboard and to switch to OSX when the keyboard is plugged in. Or reboot into OSX if I tell it to, when the keyboard is attached. I don't want to use touch-OSX or something. Please, Apple, literally just fuse the products and I will pay you a lot of money, basically whatever you ask!
You can have scissors for cutting paper and a knife for cutting your steak. Or you can have a single Swiss Army knife to do both.
The Surface right now is the Swiss Army knife. For some people, that is the best solution. Apple has decided they aren't into making Swiss Army knives, so if you want to stick with Apple, you are stuck with two separate devices for the foreseeable future.
I think Apple is in a position to offer hybrid hardware with ios as the operating system. I think this could be very attractive to many students and non pros.
It would require some hardware modifications on the ipp and some modifications
in ios--but these would be minor and transparent to current users. A lot of posters here are interested in hybrid functionality--although you and Tim Cook are not.
I can understand the appeal of one device that does it all. I just don't think that creating a hybrid device is a good solution. My preferred solution is to gradually increase the power and functionality of iOS / iDevices until they do it all. I'd like to think that Apple and Tim Cook thinks similarly, but who knows, it's not like I've had a chance to talk to him personally.
Apple doesn't strike me as a company who would do a hybrid device, because it so goes against their principle of simplicity. This means making a device that is singularly focused on doing a certain task very well. A Surface Pro can do the job of 2 devices because the user is accepting a fair amount of complexity and compromises for it, compromises which I just don't see Apple making.
Well yeah but that's only if you consider portability as a functional feature. I'm talking more about overall capability, moving or not.
Come on. This is the iPad forum. Of course people who have or are considering getting an iPad are nterested in portability. You can't discount portability when talking about mobile devices!
Let's see.
- attached keyboard, trackpad,
No need on a touch-based system.
- enterprise OS,
Depends on what you do. Typing up emails or reports on the go don't require enterprise level OS.
- USB ports
WiFi or cellular connection. Camera kit.
- thunder bolts ports
I can't think of anything I do while out and about that requires a thunderbolt port. What specifically did you have in mind?
Yes, a standard iPad or iPhone are more portable. They also have smaller screens. Every device is a compromise. You just pick the device with the best features and least drawbacks for what you want to do. This is different for each person. There is no single device that is the absolute "best" for everyone.
We can play tit-for-tat all day..
Touch - is pants and a pain to use compared to a real keyboard/trackpad as an input device esp on a device that big
OS - real app, and performance
USB - well wifi doesn't have the bandwidth and is not usable over the atlantic
Thunderbolt - External storage or a second screen.
Oh wow, that took long enough to get to....! At last the IPP people have realised you have to compromise and everything is a personal opinion.. So why argue other peoples point above?
If IPP works for you - great, but stop trying to convince others its a true replacement, its simple not and people will make up their own minds. That might be an iMAC, a rMB, a rMBP, iPad Air or even an iPhone <Rant Over>
Touch - is pants and a pain to use compared to a real keyboard/trackpad as an input device esp on a device that big
OS - real app, and performance
USB - well wifi doesn't have the bandwidth and is not usable over the atlantic
Thunderbolt - External storage or a second screen.
Oh wow, that took long enough to get to....! At last the IPP people have realised you have to compromise and everything is a personal opinion.. So why argue other peoples point above?
If IPP works for you - great, but stop trying to convince others its a true replacement, its simple not and people will make up their own minds. That might be an iMAC, a rMB, a rMBP, iPad Air or even an iPhone <Rant Over>
Agreed. Personally, I'm not trying to convince people that iPP is for everyone. I just like to share how I'm using it, as well as receive hints from other users about how we can make the iPP experience better.
Partially correct. Issue is in general in the tech realms the "pro" moniker is used for more than a marketing gimmick. It has implied extras added over the normal or consumer versions. Be it more advanced features and/or more wide open in terms of customizing it. IPP lacks this really. As by and large anything that can be done on my say mini 4...can be done on an IPP just as well. Its only tangible difference, imo, is the pencil.
Screen size not counting, I have done "pro" work with spreadsheets and other basic office apps fine on a mini. faster proc not counting, I have side by sided my mini next to IPP's that had most of my apps on it at the store and did not leave going man this app zooms now. Most run about the same. this tbh won't be fixed with app optimization. That seems to key on working on making displays better for the new screen size. Its not tearing apart instruction sets for the say a8 and a9 and going hmmm, if we work this instruction set in the a9 we get x% efficiency boost.
Apple used the pro moniker...some like me want to see some pro features. to us its not a sales pitch. Show us why its pro. features and customization what we would like to see to rate this. This could have been avoided if apple named it something else. IPad grande (or venti lol). maybe give doom the nod and call it the BFIP (instead of BFG). They however chose pro...which as said in the tech realms has actual meaning over just a marketing gimmick.
And the thing is...apple could do this and make all happy. File management. make it an icon. for those of us who need it...we open it up and use it. I'd setup autoconnect to my NAS folder when on the home network. And do my thing with my NAS setup. Don't need this feature...don't open the icon and stick to cloud services if liked. We all could get what we want here really.
Customize the iOS abit? make that a special locked section of the system menus. All the way at the bottom, locked by passcode/pin so it can't be stumbled into on accident. I want to get freaky with the iOS because its what I tend to do with OS'...I get to. Another user happy it just works they don't need to go to that menu ever. Again we all win here if it happened.
Could you give some specific examples of such usage? Some product in a technology field where there are "pro" and "non-pro" versions of the same product line, with the pro/non-pro distinctions as you define it.
The Surface pro and windows 10 are integrating two operating systems. I am only advocating adding a pointer function and external storage to the ipad and a finder functionality to ios. This would allow for hybrid laptop/tablet function with a single os. The drawback is developers do not support "pro" applications for ios. So this ipp might not have "pro" appeal--but would be a great student and all purpose device.
Camera's. My pro level gear has features and options not on non-pro.
Physicals: nikon (its what I know best) puts more metal alloy into the construction. Makes them more rigid in construction. Also adds weight which a casual consumer may not want. Gets me a body or lens not as "disposable" as the consumers. I have some gear it is more cost effective even at a few hundreds to send in for PM/rebuild as cost of new too high. Vice some consumer options where the savings probably not there to do this.
AF-on button comes next to the ae lock button on the pro bodies' upper right corner area back of camera. Non pro lacks this nice feature. This button replaces the usual half button shutter release press to focus. After some time on a d700 (although entry, its still classed as pro) I am missing it on my non pro d750. As I have to reprogram menus to get AE lock to do this. Which means I lose AE lock on the fly.
Menu's I get more refined options on pro bodies. I have side by sided my non pro body with my high end consumer (but not pro) body and if menu's common I can have less granularity in the menu. Or its missing from the non pro body. I know in case of missing menu items its not removed...I know its on Nikon's later pro bodies after mine still.
Glass wise the most apparent pro feature is speed. F 1.4 primes are "pro" lens' even if not called as such. Some cheap 3rd party options to complicate this (some good by some accounts...knockoffs aren't always a bad thing) ...I am just going off what canon/Nikon/etc would say is their pro line. Zoom wise a hallmark of pro zooms has been constant F 2.8. Consumer zooms are not constant aperture. Exceptions include Nikon's f4 constant higher end consumer zooms, which can get the term of prosumer to complicate things. Wide open aperture at say 80mm will be different than wide open at 200 on a 80-200 zoom, lens decides this not the shooter. They are also not near 2.8.
Software: One I have been playing with a lot is parallels. It now has a pro version. Adds some nice features like network control. I can have a VM have a deliberately broken network connection. Useful to to test what an app dependent on the internet does when the network is iffy or slow. Non pro lacks this feature.
I in my desire to lose adobe as a post procession option have been giving DxO a go. Has a standard version and elite version. Guess they wanted to be different and not use pro. Site if you go there has the usual compare screen. Loads of features in the elite aren't in standard.
DxO is doing well in the side by side trials. If only apple didn't put a bullet in apertures head to make me do this. Which is another example. Apple in killing aperture tried to bring some of its "pro" features to the crap they have in OS now. They failed here. there was a reason we bought aperture. there was a reason why with its death many did not say cool...I get it for free basically in the stuff they gave a consolation prize. We said wth is this crap and sent our money elsewhere.
All this not bad thing though. Not an elitist if it comes off like that. have a need, you pay for it. Don't need it, don't pay for it. I have mixed pro and non pro stuff in software and camera's. If it gets the job done its all good.
Thing is....in the above when they say pro...they offer substantial reasons why its called pro. Reasons that aren't cosmetic.
Thanks for all the detailed examples. But what is "substantial " and "cosmetic" is subjective, isn't it? I mean, for me, the iPad Pro definitely gives me a substantive boost over the iPad Air in improving my productivity. I've found that I can do all the work I used to do on my MacBook Air on the iPP, and can now do with just the iMac and iPP. So for me, the Pro does really feel "Pro." I understand that isn't the case for you and for lots of other people, but it isn't really like that there are any hard and fast rules for how "pro" a device has to be for how many people before the "Pro" mioniker is justified.
So: I had my iPad Pro for one day and after an intense use I returned it back: It is too big for me so that I would use the rMB for to work if I am on the way. I mean: I'm sure I could work also well with the iPad Pro (I'm a PhD and need to read and write essays…) but it is not perfect because of limitations. My question was: What if you will travel away and need to work? Would I feel me good with it? The answer: not really! In the end I felt in love with my iPad Air 2 again: I bought the Apple Smart Case instead of my Belkin Cinema and I appreciate it much more now!
This was my experience with the iPad Pro.
By the way: My flatmate, which is teacher, played with my iPad + Pencil and I bought one immediately. For his work, he says, the iPad is really a fantastical device because he can, amongst other things, plan his lesson on it, modify worksheets and he has all the book as PDF in it…
This was my experience with the iPad Pro.
By the way: My flatmate, which is teacher, played with my iPad + Pencil and I bought one immediately. For his work, he says, the iPad is really a fantastical device because he can, amongst other things, plan his lesson on it, modify worksheets and he has all the book as PDF in it…