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I want an iPad that takes, at least reasonable quality photo's.
I would not expect DSLR quality, but if I am out and I have my iPad with me, and I wish to take a photo or a video, then at least I would like it to be of a quality that does the moment justice.

The silly thing about this argument is you are defending the indefensible.
There is no reason why a worse item is desirable over a better item all things being equal.

The only reasons are cost, size etc.

1mp camera's should have stopped being made years ago. There is no reason to deliberately make anything worse that you can, unless it's marketing and a planned strategy.

I am with you. Apple can get away with a low end camera on iPad 2 because it makes iPad 2 incrementally better than iPad.
 
The current 5MP camera on the iPhone is fantastic for such a small sensor. video recording at 720p is pretty crappy IMO. They need a better quality lens and Sony offers that opportunity.

The single most important factor that determines the quality of a lens is the size. There are some camera phones that have a huge lens on the back that the back is not flat. The reason is the bigger lens will let more light shine on the sensor pixels.
 
Why such a great camera on the iphone and such loser ones on the ipad?

iPhones are actually more expensive to make than iPads. Thats why you are forced to make a contract with a carrier because when you first get your phone, the carriers are loosing money. It takes two whole months for the carriers to make back all the money they spent on an iPhone.

That is why the iPhone can be cheaper and have better specs than an iPad could ever have. That is why I believe that the iPhone is actually Apples most advanced technology!
 
Wait, Sony? Not known for providing sensors to other companies? Are you guys joking?

Nikon, Pentax, Olympus, Sigma, Casio and a whole lot more uses Sony sensors..
 
I'm not surprised if they opted for the 8.1MP ExmoR sensor on Sony Ericsson Xperia Arc.
 
Wait, Sony? Not known for providing sensors to other companies? Are you guys joking?

Nikon, Pentax, Olympus, Sigma, Casio and a whole lot more uses Sony sensors..

Those are CCD sensors not CMOS image sensors.
 
Opinions are good things huh....

The nokia n8 may be a fugly symbian^3 abomination, but the sensor combined with the carl zeiss optics produces some really nice photos, even in low light.

You can also use the hdmi out for flipping throuhg photos, and not just the fakin stupid slideshow like the hdmi adapter on the iphone4

Yeah, why get the iphone when there are things out there that take better pictures... Like, cameras. Yep, not ever getting an iphone because digital cameras take better pictures
 
No, but enough sites do make use of it that Apple really should allow the CONSUMER to make the decision to enable or disable it. I know the Apple fanboys will disagree, but I wouldn't expect anything less from those guys.

Thank you.
 
Mp Myth. Is that the same as Steve's old favorite, The megahertz myth:D

Sorry, I just thought that would be funny.

MP is really a myth. The single biggest factor for the image quality of a sensor is the sensor size. Assuming image processing and sensor technology are roughly of the same generation, a large 4 megapixel sensor will beat the crap out of a phone camera with 8 megapixel sensor except resolution testing under good lighting. And most people just don't need that much resolution.

The Nokia N8 was an exception because they went for a huge(relatively speaking) sensor that was as large as the top of the line P&S like the Canon G series cameras. However with the physics involved you have to pay the price through the added thickness. I highly doubt anyone other than Nokia will take a gamble like that.
 
MP is really a myth. The single biggest factor for the image quality of a sensor is the sensor size. Assuming image processing and sensor technology are roughly of the same generation, a large 4 megapixel sensor will beat the crap out of a phone camera with 8 megapixel sensor except resolution testing under good lighting. And most people just don't need that much resolution.

The Nokia N8 was an exception because they went for a huge(relatively speaking) sensor that was as large as the top of the line P&S like the Canon G series cameras. However with the physics involved you have to pay the price through the added thickness. I highly doubt anyone other than Nokia will take a gamble like that.

Thank you for explaining that. I might have to e-mail you when I decide to buy a camera. I really thought that MP was probably the biggest thing to look for when buying a digital camera.
 
what we need is a bigger lens forget about MP i tather a 3 o 5 mega pixel with a larger lens and sensor than 8 mp with such a small lens the only thing it will get are extra large crappy images
 
what we need is a bigger lens forget about MP i tather a 3 o 5 mega pixel with a larger lens and sensor than 8 mp with such a small lens the only thing it will get are extra large crappy images

Obviously, bigger lens is not coming to iPhone for it implies thicker (or non-flat) design which Steve will never approve.
 
Personally I'll be disappointed to see iPhone cameras going much above 5 MP. Image quality and creative options are limited by other factors in a device this small, so what's the point in wasting additional storage space for all the extra pixels? If I want to take serious photos I'll use my Canon SLR.
 
Android Phone Specs are out pacing the Iphone. An 8 Megapixel camera, bigger screen and more memory will keep me buying. IOS 5 with the rumored adobe flash would be great too.

Sorry dude, but Flash has NEVER been rumored to be on anything iOS at any point. Jobs has taken a stand that it is not appropriate to include it because it is too flawed and Adobe takes too many short cuts in producing their various versions. Something that has been confirmed by comments from Adobe's own people and various designers that work with it.

All too often they take one more or less working version or anything and slap on porting code and call it a day. Which something high powered like a Mac computer might be able to handle but a mobile device with a much lower processor and ram can't. This is a major reason why all those Android devices that were marketed as "with Flash" haven't added it yet. It doesn't work on their stuff either

This is what Jobs was talking about when he called Adobe "lazy". They need to sit down and rewrite all their stuff top to bottom in native code for the system it is supporting. That is the only way to truly have efficient code with reduced risks of security issues, crashing etc.
 
WOW!!!! 8 megapixe?!!!!!!! i remember like 5 years ago when i bought a 200$ camera and it was 6 megapixels and it was considered amazing and here is the iphone with a 8!!! ITS CRAZZZYYY:confused:

for the basic consumer, ie the market for the iphone, a 6 MP camera is more than enough. Heck 4MP is probably more than enough.

Only professionals and serious prosumers need those crazy 18MP, 60fps rigs like a Canon 7D.

Now if you can tell me that that 8MP sensor also supports low light settings to help Joe Public get better shots of Joe Jr and Jane Jr, then okay I might buy it. But just based on the MP, I am not buying it. I still say it is possible that this guy doesn't know what he's talking about. Be it, they aren't making anything for Apple or they are making a lower grade sensor and he merely assumed it was their highest


I am just tired of seeing people on here hoping for a mediocre upgrade... such as no design change and little speed bump...not referring to this thread in particular, but i see it in others..


I'm on a lot of boards and I've seen no one 'hoping' for a mediocre upgrade.

But I have seen a lot of folks smart enough to realize that the tech has plateau'd until there are useable LTE support and NFC support and thus it is likely that it will be a small upgrade this go around, just like from the 3g to the 3gs.

That's not 'hoping' that's just being realistic.


To me, this just feels like a slap in the face to ipad2 owners :(

Doesn't feel that way to me. perhaps because I have never seen the ipad as the beginning of the iOS release calendar, but the end. Which is also likely how Apple views it. It's always easier to go bigger than smaller so if you can get something to work in the iphone/touch, it's child's play to go up to the ipad. But fine tuning it first on the ipad doesn't equal cake in putting it in the iphone/touch.


Wooohooo hallelujah about friggin time it got a decent camera

the iphone has a 'decent' camera. Especially for the actual market, which isn't professional photographers but Daddy playing in the back yard with kiddies and wanting pics to send to Grandma.

Besides which, you could put a 18mp sensor in the phone and still have a crap camera if the controls, software etc suck.


Doesn't most of the internet use flash?

Nope. the main uses for Flash are games, ads and video playback. A few sites like movie and band sites will be full flash. But even before iOS came out many sites were dumping Flash due to accessibility concerns. When iOS came out, even more sites phased out Flash or created second 'mobile' sites that were Flash Free. when the Apps SDK came out, some of that group added apps as well or in place of the second site version.

Even the porn industry, long viewed as a touch stone for internet tech acceptance has openly been dropping Flash for HTML5 to increase their possible viewing.
 
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jeez, 8 whole mega pixels??? Wow fruit, welcome to 2011, you sure are being generous here. My android phone has 8mp and it came a full year ago... The pictures it takes are pretty sweet compared to my friends i(paidtomuch)phone4. I'm not trying to bash anyone but I see a lot of fruit boys on here saying they are OK with whatever fruity says. Ya'll really need to revolt or something because that's not right. I guess once the specs are finalized, we will see a 10+ mega pixel camera on either android or windows phone? I have no idea..

I will suggest that perhaps a physical side camera button like the Windows phone has for taking pictures would great because with a touchscreen it is hard to tell if you took a picture in a noisy environment when you can hear the click.

That is all.

PCP
 
jeez, 8 whole mega pixels??? Wow fruit, welcome to 2011, you sure are being generous here. My android phone has 8mp and it came a full year ago... The pictures it takes are pretty sweet compared to my friends i(paidtomuch)phone4. I'm not trying to bash anyone but I see a lot of fruit boys on here saying they are OK with whatever fruity says. Ya'll really need to revolt or something because that's not right. I guess once the specs are finalized, we will see a 10+ mega pixel camera on either android or windows phone? I have no idea..

I will suggest that perhaps a physical side camera button like the Windows phone has for taking pictures would great because with a touchscreen it is hard to tell if you took a picture in a noisy environment when you can hear the click.

That is all.

PCP

As there are robot boys saying they are OK with whatever the "roboty" says.

That is all.

:)
 
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