What are you bragging about? Nokia already has smartphones with much higher megapixel cameras than your android phone. BTW, if you really owned an android phone why can't you say who made it? Are all android phones the same like robots?
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Sony CEO Confirms Camera Module Production for Apple? 8-MP Camera on iPhone 5?
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What are you bragging about? Nokia already has smartphones with much higher megapixel cameras than your android phone. BTW, if you really owned an android phone why can't you say who made it? Are all android phones the same like robots?
iPhone 4 has backside illumination. Have you watched Steve Jobs introduction last year of iPhone 4?
You do understand that a ton of 8 MP cameras on a phone has been compared to the iPhone 4's 5 MP camera and the iPhone's camera still came out on top, right?
Technically it's not MP that's the issue. It's pixel density.
Given the perfect conditions and equal image sizes (I.e. All the images at 2MP) the results will be almost indistinguishable between a phone, point and shoot and a D-SLR.
Comparing the 5MP iPhone 4 sensor to a 12MP Point & Shoot and a 40D the difference between the iPhone 4 and the P&S and 40D will be significant.
Simply: 40D @ 10MP >> TZ8 @ 12MP >>> iPhone 4 @ 5MP.
Given the perfect conditions and equal image sizes (I.e. All the images at 2MP) the results will be almost indistinguishable between a phone, point and shoot and a D-SLR.
Comparing the 5MP iPhone 4 sensor to a 12MP Point & Shoot and a 40D the difference between the iPhone 4 and the P&S and 40D will be significant.
Simply: 40D @ 10MP >> TZ8 @ 12MP >>> iPhone 4 @ 5MP.
Which is probably what they thought when they were designing the first SLRs.
Until someone had the brainwave of sticking in an extra lens element to accommodate the mirror.
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I think letting consumers decide is stupid. They dont have degrees in technical areas of computing. That's what engineers get paid for, to handle tech stuff. Consumer pays to have technology that works.
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I think letting consumers decide is stupid. They dont have degrees in technical areas of computing. That's what engineers get paid for, to handle tech stuff. Consumer pays to have technology that works.
Staying away from the traditional rangefinder lens deign did not make the lens thinner, it just allowed the extra room to clear out the mirror swing but the les had to get bigger and protrude more. It is like saying "no need to make the phone thicker, just make the lens stck out!" which obviously isn't really an attractive solution - it was done one a few years ago and didn't fare all that well.
I wasn't proposing the same solution, merely an observation on the statement:
"You are limited by the focal length, which is dictated by the thickness of the device. There is no magic way around this."
For example: with the various adapters to use 35mm lenses on 4/3rds format some include elements to accommodate different registration distances.
i.e. you're neither limited by the focal length; nor is the focal length dictated by the device. Is that not so? Could you not employ a nice aspherical positive element to take advantage of a larger sensor without "just making the lens stick out"? (ref his original link to DPReview article on Focal Length).
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agree, would love to see 8meg cam in ipad along with retina display!
ip5 is coming this summer y the sounds of it
ip5 is coming this summer y the sounds of it
I am shopping for a phone as my contract is up and I am considering iPhone 4 or waiting for the iPhone 5 and I'm also considering waiting for the new Nokia's so I'm looking at this with some interest.
What concerns me with the iPhone camera's isn't the optics and the sensors, it's the horrible post-processing that's automatically done to make their (iPhone) pictures 'seem' better, as in the colour saturation. It makes images seem unreal. (Try taking a picture in Grey Manchester) and you'll see how unrealistic the images look.
Can this be turned off? If not, then the 5 -> 8mp nor if they bump up to Karl Zeiss optics won't have any affect as they are still taking unrealistic representations.
What concerns me with the iPhone camera's isn't the optics and the sensors, it's the horrible post-processing that's automatically done to make their (iPhone) pictures 'seem' better, as in the colour saturation. It makes images seem unreal. (Try taking a picture in Grey Manchester) and you'll see how unrealistic the images look.
Can this be turned off? If not, then the 5 -> 8mp nor if they bump up to Karl Zeiss optics won't have any affect as they are still taking unrealistic representations.
No. See my earlier reply to fertilised-egg, post #185.
I was querying the statement:
"You are limited by the focal length, which is dictated by the thickness of the device. There is no magic way around this."
I was under the impression that using a negative or positive element behind a lens was the 'magic way around' accommodating less-than-ideal focal lengths/registration distances.
So... if you weren't in fact limited by either the the focal length or thickness of the device wouldn't it be possible to employ a larger sensor and thus pacify all the people earlier in this thread would felt 8mp on the current sized sensor was a retrograde step?
Do you even know what you're talking about or is the Apple fanboyism clouding your judgment a bit? Perhaps you require SJ telling what you can and cannot view on your devices, most other people have a mind of their own to decide for themselves.
I don't need a degree in technical areas of computing to know whether or not I want flash content displayed on my screen. Neither does anyone else. What about the billions of computers out there owned by billions of people without such degrees that allow them to view pages properly?
Yeah, but not the last time it asks for all the hundreds of other suppliers help it does so yearly as Apple actually makes NOTHING itself bar software these days.......
And I'm pretty sure it's not called 'help' but rather buying the best components from suppliers to make your products with.
And on a side note, Sonys Exmoor R which is most likely what Apple will use, pretty much creams the iPhone 4's module, if it wasn't a big enough improvement Apple wouldn't bother with it and use something else.
He doesn't know why he wants to build a good camera for Apple? Cause last time I checked Sony doesnt actually know what market they want to go in and just dips their feet into everything. Not mention Samsung has been doing much better in the smart phone market than Sony but are building most of the components in the iOS devices.
I took some around Christmas time with all the lights on, and it actually suits it. But yeah I do hope they give us the option to remove the gloss. I guess that will go hand in hand with using better optics if they're serious about making a good phone camera.