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Do You Own or Plan To Own A Sony HDR-HC7 HDV Camcorder?


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Good question; I have some leeway here, probably $3-4k for the hardware. I noticed the new Mac Pros are pretty beefy and pricey. But I would like to do a fair amount of HD experimentation (playing around!) with products like Final Cut.

If your going to spend that kind of money you should wait for NAB, good chance that apple will announce an 8 core macpro. Current pricing of the quad core chips leads me to believe that the 8 core macpro will not be substantially more expensive than the current quad cores.
 
Would any other owners here please test their SSR mode to confirm image degradation in their recordings please? We just need one other witness for confirmation we've been dupped by marketing. Thanks. :eek: :mad:

I have a HC3 and was saddened to discover this "flaw." However, I suppose it's forgiveable since the sensor is running at 240 fps and there's no way I would expect a consumer-level camera to have the bandwidth required to push that kind of data at high-res.

That being said... there are two things I have discovered which seem to help slightly with the quality. One, make sure it's super bright... as in, middle of the day outdoors. Two... it seems that if I zoom all the way in, it helps aleviate some of the focus problems. It could just be my imagination, so maybe someone else could test this.

As a side note, does anyone know how the image quality looks when in SSR mode and streaming directly to an HDMI capture card? Does that help at all?

But besides this flaw, I can't really fault the camera... I got my HC3 for 600 bucks and it's the perfect guerilla-style go-anywhere camera.
 
Wait For 8 Core Mac Pro With Leopard

Good question; I have some leeway here, probably $3-4k for the hardware. I noticed the new Mac Pros are pretty beefy and pricey. But I would like to do a fair amount of HD experimentation (playing around!) with products like Final Cut.
OK good. So that's the computer part right? In that case keep your powder dry until Sunday April 15 when the world will change on the Final Cut Studio front. We may or may not get the 8 core Mac Pro announcement then. But in any event, be patient for everything new to ship before you spend that much — even if it winds up being a current (soon to be old) model refurb. Big changes are happening this Spring and you need to ride out this wave of new stuff before you can make a wise non-impulsive non-impatient decision.
 
No problem. The HC7 can deliver DVCPro HD too by hooking its HDMI port to a Blackmagic Design Intensity PCIe card in a Mac Pro or last gen Dual Core or Quad G5 PM..

Streaming already-recorded HDV back from the tape to an HDMI port isn't going to magically re-capture the data that was lost in the long-GOP MPEG-2 compression applied to put it to tape. Unless you just want to shoot in your room, that's a completely pointless feature. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that's a "non-feature."
 
HDMI Out Live Not From Tape

Yea, if you want to lug your computer to every shoot. Kinda defeats the purpose of a small, portable cam.:)
Yeah. It's a luggable remote application for concerts, raves, weddings, church services, events of all sorts.
Streaming already-recorded HDV back from the tape to an HDMI port isn't going to magically re-capture the data that was lost in the long-GOP MPEG-2 compression applied to put it to tape. Unless you just want to shoot in your room, that's a completely pointless feature. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that's a "non-feature."
Not from tape. Live from the sensor. Have you read Blackmagic Design's Intensity/On-Air pages yet?
 
Yeah. It's a luggable remote application for concerts, raves, weddings, church services, events of all sorts.

Hopefully someone will start selling a MacPro backpack with a portable power supply for events like these. I'm sure it will come in at somewhere under 85lbs. :rolleyes:
 
311 Posts And 100 Votes, 30% HC7 People, 18,083 Views

So today we've reached 100 votes and 18,083 views.

30% HDR-HC7
19% Other HDV
28% DV
23% Curious

Pretty amazing progress in only 45 days. Thanks. :)
 
Streaming already-recorded HDV back from the tape to an HDMI port isn't going to magically re-capture the data that was lost in the long-GOP MPEG-2 compression applied to put it to tape. Unless you just want to shoot in your room, that's a completely pointless feature. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that's a "non-feature."
Converting to DVCPro HD won't give you anything that wasn't there in the original HDV signal, but it will give you a much better format to edit your video with. HDV is proving to be an adequate acquisition format, but it is a PITA as a post format in my experience.

For cameras around the 10k mark and below I think the camera, not the codec, is the limiting factor. A shoot-out between the Z1U, HD100, XL-H1, and HVX200 showed that all the cameras, produced comparable quality images (each had unique pro's and con's obviously). And if you compared a VariCam to an HVX200 the HVX200 is gonna lose even though they both shoot to the same format because the the VariCam has a better lens, better CCDs, etc.,.

Yeah. It's a luggable remote application for concerts, raves, weddings, church services, events of all sorts.Not from tape. Live from the sensor. Have you read Blackmagic Design's Intensity/On-Air pages yet?
Maybe as a single, locked down camera on a multi-camera shoot, in certain situations, but in no way is lugging around a full sized tower, monitor, keyboard, mouse, surge protector, extension cord & gaffe tape (what are the odds you'll always next to a power socket?) a good way to shoot on location at events, IMO. Not to mention the relatively short runs you are limited to w/HDMI cable and the fact that it doesn't have a positive locking connectors which make it less than ideal for a tethered shooting solution.

If you do a lot of studio green screen work than a camera w/HDMI+Intensity+computer+fast enough storage for uncompressed HD could be a way to squeak out some more quality on the cheap though.

Lethal
 
Please help neophyte HDR HC7/Mac user

Greetings... I was gifted this amazing video cam by a relative living in Japan (hence I am awaiting my English manual, smile and grateful I can read rudimentary Japanese..).. In the meanwhile, downloading recent footage shot... most of it on a then-borrowed DV Canon camera I noticed I actually had probs downloading the new HDV footage shot with my camera. I may be blind, but I don't see in the on-line manual HOW to convert the cam to shoot in DV mode (or is this possible..). Reason I need to (pls advanced users, be sensitive with yr snickers) is that I have a G4 Mac, and using FC Pro 4, was not able to download the HDV footage w.o first running through iMovie. Cumbersome to say the least... I am on line right now with a Sony tech person who appears stumped as to if changing settings to DV is even possible.. Can anyone help? Or direct me to a particular post? i have been wading through the copious posts here whilst I await the Sony tech person's reply... T'anks in advance, ZiggyP
 
Seems to me at that point it'd just be worth the investment for a true mobile DVCPRO HD solution like the HVX200 w/ a couple P2 cards.
If you're proposing the HVX200 as a solution, it's better to suggest direct-to-disk recording over P2. P2 is fine for scripted stuff, but for unscripted events it's seriously lacking.

The better suggestion for budget multi-cam is to rent multiple Z1Us and set the cameras to time-of-day a.k.a. free run timecode. This has advantages over the Intensity solution.
 
Always Record In HDV Because You Can Export In DV If Need Be

Greetings... downloading recent footage shot... most of it on a then-borrowed DV Canon camera I noticed I actually had probs downloading the new HDV footage shot with my camera. I may be blind, but I don't see in the on-line manual HOW to convert the cam to shoot in DV mode (or is this possible..). Reason I need to (pls advanced users, be sensitive with yr snickers) is that I have a G4 Mac, and using FC Pro 4, was not able to download the HDV footage w.o first running through iMovie. Cumbersome to say the least... I am on line right now with a Sony tech person who appears stumped as to if changing settings to DV is even possible..
Both recording in DV and exporting HDV in DV are possible. You were obviously speaking to an incompetent Sony "tech" hack. My recommendation is to continue recording in HDV but, for the purposes of this project, export in DV. That way you maintain your original work in HDV even though you have to export in DV at this time.

Page 60 Standard Set Menu —> i.Link Conv —> ON HDV —> DV
Pictures in HDV format are converted to DV format, and pictures in DV format are output in DV format. i.e. everything gets exported in the old DV format no matter how they were recorded.

If you feel you must record in DV, Don't feel that way. :D. lol. As long as you can export in DV there is no logical reason to shoot in DV. Later you will be glad you got it in HDV in the first place. So I'm not even going to tell you how to switch it to DV recording cause I feel strongly you should always master in HDV. But it is there in the book.

Plus your DV export from a HDV master will look better because it's a downsample from a superior original. :)
 
HC5 and iMovie audio probs?

I've been reading your info about the hc7 etc.. and decided to purchase the hc5 a few weeks ago to take on holiday. (a PAL model as I'm in the UK)

So, got back, and plugged hc5 to import into imovie (latest version).. but for some reason, the audio seems slow.. you know, deep voices etc.. I've tried setting new projects for testing, ie, HD 1080i project, DV Widescreen, etc.. but nothing seems to work. The actual video seems fine.. its just the audio?

The frame rate for import is set to 29.xx.. i even tried changing this to 25, but still no joy..

Please don't tell me that my holiday video is now screwed up

Also, i have an iMac 20" CD - does this play the 1080i HD footage? Some of the video I took, looked a bit grainy to me.. like it was SD.. but the hc5 is recording in 1080i HD??

Many thanks for your help.
 
Set Prefs New Project Frame Rate @ 25fps Before Creating New Project (HDV 1080i)

I've been reading your info about the hc7 etc.. and decided to purchase the hc5 a few weeks ago to take on holiday. (a PAL model as I'm in the UK)

So, got back, and plugged hc5 to import into imovie (latest version).. but for some reason, the audio seems slow.. you know, deep voices etc.. I've tried setting new projects for testing, ie, HD 1080i project, DV Widescreen, etc.. but nothing seems to work. The actual video seems fine.. its just the audio?

The frame rate for import is set to 29.xx.. i even tried changing this to 25, but still no joy..

Please don't tell me that my holiday video is now screwed up

Also, i have an iMac 20" CD - does this play the 1080i HD footage? Some of the video I took, looked a bit grainy to me.. like it was SD.. but the hc5 is recording in 1080i HD??

Many thanks for your help.
In the General Preferences you have to change the New Project frame rate to 25 before creating a NEW Project in HDV 1080i. Then it will say (HD-1080i-25) in the title at top of the project window. Did you get that far successfully? I did just now. Import should work properly from there. Your iMac is fast enough for that as long as it's HD is not too full.
 
These are the steps I am going through:

1) Open iMovie HD
2) Change Prefs for New project to 25 fps
3) Create New Project - HDV 1080i - iMovie opens up new project with project name (HD-1080i-25) in header
4) Turn on HC5 and set to Play/Edit mode
5) Connect iLink cable (iMovie recognises camera connected and Blue Screen appears with "import" button
6) Rewind Tape to start and click on import button
7) Clip1 imported (for testing.. not imported the whole tape)

When I play back this clip, the video looks ok, but its the sound is very deep... like it's been slowed down - ie, my son speaking sounds like a deep voiced man!! lol.. although the the audio seems synced ok, just that it seems slowed down half the rate..

I just don't get it..

When I play back the video through the HC5 on it's own LCD screen, the sound is correct.. just when imported into iMovie, it's not right..

Thanks

In the General Preferences you have to change the New Project frame rate to 25 before creating a NEW Project in HDV 1080i. Then it will say (HD-1080i-25) in the title at top of the project window. Did you get that far successfully? I did just now. Import should work properly from there.
 
16 bit Audio Set And Not DV Recording?

These are the steps I am going through:

1) Open iMovie HD
2) Change Prefs for New project to 25 fps
3) Create New Project - HDV 1080i - iMovie opens up new project with project name (HD-1080i-25) in header
4) Turn on HC5 and set to Play/Edit mode
5) Connect iLink cable (iMovie recognises camera connected and Blue Screen appears with "import" button
6) Rewind Tape to start and click on import button
7) Clip1 imported (for testing.. not imported the whole tape)

When I play back this clip, the video looks ok, but its the sound is very deep... like it's been slowed down - ie, my son speaking sounds like a deep voiced man!! lol.. although the the audio seems synced ok, just that it seems slowed down half the rate..

I just don't get it..

When I play back the video through the HC5 on it's own LCD screen, the sound is correct.. just when imported into iMovie, it's not right..

Thanks
Check your HC5 to see it's recording in 16 bit audio HDV not 12 bit DV.
 
Check your HC5 to see it's recording in 16 bit audio HDV not 12 bit DV.

from the STANDARD SET menu:
Audio mode is set to 16bit and REC FOMAT is HDV1080i

I have also just noticed another weird thing..

After I add Clip1 onto the timeline and "Extract Audio", the sound works correctly!!? How odd?

Is this my workaround then?
 
Is Filter audio from camera ON?

from the STANDARD SET menu:
Audio mode is set to 16bit and REC FOMAT is HDV1080i

I have also just noticed another weird thing..

After I add Clip1 onto the timeline and "Extract Audio", the sound works correctly!!? How odd?

Is this my workaround then?
Maybe. Have you checked "Filter audio from camera" on in the import pane?
Yes.. this option is checked in iMovie
Well try importing more than a test moment. I am not familiar with that indication. I hope someone else here is and can tell you how to overcome the audio problem.
 
Panning - video seems jerky?

Also..looking at some of the video taken.. when I pan around some scenes, the video seems pretty jerky.. it was taken with no zoom and also in bright sunlight..

The options on the camera from slow stuff is all OFF.. as I didn't want the blurry effect when panning..

Is this supposed to happen? It's not like I am panning very fast.. just slow (hand held) of scenery..
 
STEADYSHOT ON When Handheld Or OFF When On A Tripod

Also..looking at some of the video taken.. when I pan around some scenes, the video seems pretty jerky.. it was taken with no zoom and also in bright sunlight..

The options on the camera from slow stuff is all OFF.. as I didn't want the blurry effect when panning..

Is this supposed to happen? It's not like I am panning very fast.. just slow (hand held) of scenery..
Manual Page 49 CAMERA SET menu: STEADYSHOT should be ON (default) when hand held. When you can, use a tripod. Test with STEADYSHOT OFF when on the tripod.
 
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