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Sony Music CEO Confirms 'Apple Music' Unveiling at WWDC

bpcookson said:
Subs for music only starts making sense when your spend more than $10/mo on new music.
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Which I do not do...ever. My iTunes bill is usually more than £10 a month, but 75% of that will be 2 or 3 movie rentals. I can't see the worth in a music subscription service right now. If I like a song, I'll buy it and listen to it obsessively until I'm sick of it. I couldn't justify paying a fixed monthly price when I might not listen to £10 worth of music in a particular month, yet I still have to pay for it.

I better model might be a 'pay as you go' model. Say, you pay £5 as a minimum fee for any given month. Then if you pass a certain number of song plays/downloads, that fee increases until it reaches a maximum. Then you pay more or less depending on your consumption habits in a given month.
 
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I know this story is about the music service, but am I alone in thinking Apple will not call the new Mac OS 10.11? Citing perhaps that it's too long to say or something like that? And that next year's iOS will be called iOS X? Anyway, that's just something that's been on my mind lately and haven't found an appropriate story to make that comment on for a couple days now.
 
brinary001 said:
I know this story is about the music service, but am I alone in thinking Apple will not call the new Mac OS 10.11? Citing perhaps that it's too long to say or something like that? And that next year's iOS will be called iOS X? Anyway, that's just something that's been on my mind lately and haven't found an appropriate story to make that comment on for a couple days now.
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Perhaps a fresh topic in the iOS 9 forum or OS X 10.11 forum.
 
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brinary001 said:
I know this story is about the music service, but am I alone in thinking Apple will not call the new Mac OS 10.11? Citing perhaps that it's too long to say or something like that? And that next year's iOS will be called iOS X? Anyway, that's just something that's been on my mind lately and haven't found an appropriate story to make that comment on for a couple days now.
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It will be called OS X San Andreas ( or anyother registered name) and the numbers silently go up like 10.11 , 10.12, etc.
 
JamesLDN said:
So you prefer to steal material rather than paying for music and movies? Or just and exclusively watching Netflix/Hulu and going to the cinema?

If I was an artist I would like to get my salary, wouldn't you? What if torrented your work and don't pay you at the end the month, how would you feel about that?

Apple and spotify made be a better person I haven't illegally downloaded music in 10 years. I buy the special ones trough iTunes that aren't on spotify premium (yeah I pay the artists with 10 bucks a month, also for the no ads and better quality)

But I amid....movies is another thing, the REAL blockbusters I see at the cinema like star wars , the hobbit, etc. but when a movie comes out I want to see it now not in a few weeks or months. So the other new movies I still download illegally. And the great old movies I buy on iTunes there mine,legal. So what for dorm, I'm not switching to google, ever! So I don't care. But when new movies are directly available on iTunes, I never download movies again. Just like iTunes and spotify did for music at least for me.
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Sigh, you had me on your side until the movie stealing part. As someone who is marginally involved in the movie creation business and has some understanding about the millions of hours and many people with specialized skills involved in making movies, I really have an issue with people stealing new movies. Sure, an old movie that has lost most of its revenue potential and is hard to find, torrent that for all I care. But to steal new movies that are trying to make back the millions put into it? Nope. Can't allow that. Your selfish need for immediate gratification with no cost to you is not justification for stealing a huge group of people's hard work. Use all the arguments you just said against stealing music for stealing movies. I'm in the process of waiting for several movies I want to see to come to iTunes and somehow I'm surviving while I wait. Not that hard. I agree that going to the movie at a theater can be expensive but when I do, I do the matinee or discount days and eat a big meal before I go so I only need a drink in the theater. Cuts down on the cost substantially. Torrenting pressure isn't going to make this happen, like pirates try to use to justify their crime. Shoplifting hasn't made anything cheaper or easier to buy, just the opposite. It just makes us deal with all those tags that make the alarms sound if the cashier doesn't disarm them and people following us around the store or peeping at us in the dressing rooms like we are criminals.

Movie business is evolving and more first runs are showing up on iTunes at the same time as theaters. Support them by renting and show that money can be made there. Theaters will have to continue making their experience special with 3D, IMAX, special seats and awesome sound to compete and some won't be able to keep up and will close. And more people need faster internet in their homes to get a nice streaming rental experience. That's the evolution.
 
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daijholt said:
So you don't feel this is good value for money? Even though a single album will set you back £10 and that's all you get, whereas a service like this lets you listen to millions of songs 24/7 for the same price?
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I think the point that was being made is that they want to own the right to listen to that music when they feel like it and not have to be committed to spend $10/month to do so.

This has been going on for a long time. Before there was streaming there was this way that music was transmitted called "radio" where someone else decided what you could listen to at a given time.

It was free. But if you wanted to listen to, say Rupert Holmes "Piña Colada Song," you could go down to Tower Records and purchase the right to do so by purchasing the album. You didn't actually own the music, only the right to listen to it in your own home at a time of your choosing.

Anyway, to round out this boring soliloquy, I guess the person posting just wants to buy the album or song, and not have a bill every month for $10 to continue to enjoy the right to listen to the music at his/her convenience.
 
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Did Sony also confirm that Apple was gonna introduce OSX 10.11 and iOS 9.0?
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soupcan said:
It's true though. I know I don't care. I play music locally. I see no use in streaming music. Just buy a copy (online or disk), sync it with your iDevice and boom. You own your music when you buy it. You don't have that when you stream it.
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Ok that is you, obviously downloads are down and streaming is up. It's not 2005 anymore, nor is it 1995. Physical media is dying except for a small group.
 
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JeffyTheQuik said:
I guess the person posting just wants to buy the album or song, and not have a bill every month for $10 to continue to enjoy the right to listen to the music at his/her convenience.
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Thing is, this Apple Music service is not stopping that. Seems like a lot of the people hating on it are missing out on that KEY thing. They're not being forced to give up buying music into streaming for a monthly cost. Are we not allowed the option of streaming, just because they don't like it?
 
shandyman said:
Thing is, this Apple Music service is not stopping that. Seems like a lot of the people hating on it are missing out on that KEY thing. They're not being forced to give up buying music into streaming for a monthly cost. Are we not allowed the option of streaming, just because they don't like it?
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Oh, I agree with you. That argument (if I made that, I shouldn't have) is like either have Netflix or buying movies. You have to pick one or the other isn't logical at all.
 
It all feels a little too late..would anyone realistically move from Spotify to Apple? Unless they subsidise it down to $5 this will be another minor success and not the shift Apple is hoping for.
 
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DriedTurnip said:
It all feels a little too late..would anyone realistically move from Spotify to Apple? Unless they subsidise it down to $5 this will be another minor success and not the shift Apple is hoping for.
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You may be right. But if Apple can get streaming exclusives from the likes of Taylor Swift & AC/DC, it will be a hit.
 
JeffyTheQuik said:
Oh, I agree with you. That argument (if I made that, I shouldn't have) is like either have Netflix or buying movies. You have to pick one or the other isn't logical at all.
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Or do both! :) I was generalising a bit, as in there are many people in this thread, pretty much all the ones hating on streaming, acting like they're being forced to drop buying downloads/physical and have to use Apple Music. Apple are giving us more options, not removing options.....
 
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DriedTurnip said:
It all feels a little too late..would anyone realistically move from Spotify to Apple? Unless they subsidise it down to $5 this will be another minor success and not the shift Apple is hoping for.
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I'm ready to switch from Spotify to Apple, simply because it means it's a natively integrated into iOS and I'll be able to easily use it on my Apple TV too, amongst other things.
 
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bpcookson said:
Subs for music only starts making sense when your spend more than $10/mo on new music.
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Nothing could be more wrong. When you have access to an unlimited music library, you really rely more on curated playlists and discovery. In a lot of ways it's just ad-free subscription radio, but with the curators aren't just e.g Spotify, but you, your friends, other people with similar tastes, DJs and professionals (for example, the BBC do Spotify playlists). It's really about discovering and enjoying new music in a way you can't compare with ownership.

I didn't spend anything like $10/mo on music, but I've really been enjoying Spotify. It's worth the cost to me, because it adds more enjoyment than $10 worth of music I already know I like.
 
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shandyman said:
I'm ready to switch from Spotify to Apple, simply because it means it's a natively integrated into iOS and I'll be able to easily use it on my Apple TV too, amongst other things.
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that's fine if you're Apple-only, but Apple will never, for example, create apps for my PS4 or my LG TV. Spotify do.

I don't really like the Spotify UI much, and I'd really love to try Apple's service. I was waiting for them, but the Spotify-Sony deal made my mind up for me. The Verge hit on this recently - how streaming services will lock our music up to platforms which they support.

Spotify have a really good take on this - they have an SDK (libspotify) which allows 3rd parties to build Spotify clients. It's cross-platform. That's a good and fair approach in my book. I hope Apple do something similar.
 
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springsup said:
Nothing could be more wrong. When you have access to an unlimited music library, you really rely more on curated playlists and discovery. In a lot of ways it's just ad-free subscription radio, but with the curators aren't just e.g Spotify, but you, your friends, other people with similar tastes, DJs and professionals (for example, the BBC do Spotify playlists). It's really about discovering and enjoying new music in a way you can't compare with ownership.

I didn't spend anything like $10/mo on music, but I've really been enjoying Spotify. It's worth the cost to me, because it adds more enjoyment than $10 worth of music I already know I like.
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Exactly, brilliant clear, articulated post. Especially since Apple are bringing in people like Zane Lowe, Curated playlists are gonna be great on Apple Music....
 
shandyman said:
Well that may change, since it's heavily rumoured they're making an Apple Music app for Android....
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I added a bit to my post. I hope Apple do release a cross-platform SDK, but I think the Spotify-Sony deal will stop it on the PS4.
 
If Apple Music offers the following, I'd be likely to switch from Spotify:

Account sharing. Right now I pay $20/month to provide Spotify Premium to myself and two family members. I'd really like to see Apple Music offer a similar discount, though this seems very unlikely at launch.

Lossless quality. Spotify maxes out at 320kbps. Tidal offers up to lossless 1411kbps. This seems even less likely than account sharing, though hopefully Apple Music offers at least 320kbps.

Offline storage. Important for me as a Spotify user, is having offline playlists. If Apple Music doesn't have this at launch, I'll be surprised.
 
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