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The only reason why Apple is remotely involved is because their losing money from traditional sales back when iPod's where popular. They have no choice but to enter the game. If the service was like $5 a month fine; but $10 a month is the difference between a 16GB iPhone and a 128GB iPhone if on one of these installment plans that carriers are trying to push. $10 here and $10 there starts to add up. Factor in netflix, cable and physical media purchases it's bound to get out of hand.
 
Under Steve Jobs, a reveal in advance of the keynote would have meant a broken partnership with Sony. The employee who revealed on Instagram would have been fired instantly as well.

"The times they are a changin'."
I very much agree, Apple is much less secretive in this regard now. But when you are the worlds largest company it's hard to control leaks, or hold the literally thousands of top talented people in the world to keep quiet.
 
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Skylake Xeons aren't out yet.

Broadwell Xeons aren't out yet. They could use Haswell Xeons. Skylake would be another change in chipset, but it won't be out for a while. It makes little sense to use 3-4 years between updates as the norm.
 
Sigh, you had me on your side until the movie stealing part. As someone who is marginally involved in the movie creation business and has some understanding about the millions of hours and many people with specialized skills involved in making movies, I really have an issue with people stealing new movies. Sure, an old movie that has lost most of its revenue potential and is hard to find, torrent that for all I care. But to steal new movies that are trying to make back the millions put into it? Nope. Can't allow that. Your selfish need for immediate gratification with no cost to you is not justification for stealing a huge group of people's hard work. Use all the arguments you just said against stealing music for stealing movies. I'm in the process of waiting for several movies I want to see to come to iTunes and somehow I'm surviving while I wait. Not that hard. I agree that going to the movie at a theater can be expensive but when I do, I do the matinee or discount days and eat a big meal before I go so I only need a drink in the theater. Cuts down on the cost substantially. Torrenting pressure isn't going to make this happen, like pirates try to use to justify their crime. Shoplifting hasn't made anything cheaper or easier to buy, just the opposite. It just makes us deal with all those tags that make the alarms sound if the cashier doesn't disarm them and people following us around the store or peeping at us in the dressing rooms like we are criminals.

Movie business is evolving and more first runs are showing up on iTunes at the same time as theaters. Support them by renting and show that money can be made there. Theaters will have to continue making their experience special with 3D, IMAX, special seats and awesome sound to compete and some won't be able to keep up and will close. And more people need faster internet in their homes to get a nice streaming rental experience. That's the evolution.

Ok so it's ok to pirate movie but not music, cause it affects the music artists... read this:
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100712/23482610186.shtml
or just google "musicians don't make money from album sales". That will teach you.

You know I would not pirate G.O.T. if I would get it at the same time as it's broadcast in the States and I'll be happy to pay a fiver a month for it. The music industry lost me when they went from vinyl to CDs, doubled the price and promised it would come down once the initial cost would be recovered...

I probably spend more money on IMAX tickets than is necessary, but for the music industry I can only say give some extra value (tracks/info) that is not available elsewhere.

I doubt any of my friend will go for paying for any music anymore. Hey, at least I'm honest about it. you guys are just in denial: subscription services will not make it in the long run. I can only say: adjust to the situation.
 
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Tomorrow will be a waste of time on epic proportions. No new products. A huge dance around the sales disaster of the apple watch. A scam to get anther 20 bucks a month of your money to put right next to all those other 20 bucks a months from everybody else that easily add up to thousand plus a year. Capped by a new iOS you will forced to download, as they strong arm the app developers to do instantly IOS9 only updates and roll outs, that will pretty much brick your device if its more than two years old. All in all a typical post Jobs WWDC.

If you don't like it, vote with your wallet and leave then. Posts like this baffle me. Just attention seeking and full of gross absurd exaggerations and nothing actually factual....
 
The only reason why Apple is remotely involved is because their losing money from traditional sales back when iPod's where popular. They have no choice but to enter the game. If the service was like $5 a month fine; but $10 a month is the difference between a 16GB iPhone and a 128GB iPhone if on one of these installment plans that carriers are trying to push. $10 here and $10 there starts to add up. Factor in netflix, cable and physical media purchases it's bound to get out of hand.

Why is $10 a month an issue when people already spend that for Spotify, etc?
 
You mean like when Microsoft removed the Start Button from in Windows 8, recognized their customers wanted it and put it back in Windows 10 and called it "innovation"?

More like music is a dead medium as it has been monetized into oblivion yet Apple is grasping at the past/iTunes instead of focusing on the future, video.
 
Couldn't care less about Apple Music.
I've got Spotify that works on all devices, even my PS4.

Wish they had got the Apple TV prepared....
 
Anyone else notice on that WWDC picture the french dude posted has altered graphics than what has been shown before? It used to look like a silohette of an apple tv - now they added another outline to change it - how about a new apple tv ?
 
The appeal of downloading versus streaming music is largely a function of age.

The older you are, the more likely your music collection has matured to the point where you're rarely acquiring new music, in which case $120 a year seems egregiously expensive.

The younger you are, the more likely it is that your musical tastes and knowledge are still evolving, so there's a higher premium on discovering new music than on revisiting old favorites indefinitely. Paying $120 a year for access to millions of titles is a steal compared to building a library one paid download at a time (e.g., 8-10 albums per year). Being able to follow other listeners with tastes you respect (not just paid curators, but normal music fans) and learn about new music is a huge feature of streaming services that you can't get from media stores.

It's a steal either way. 10 albums a year, over say 20-30 years, is only 200-300 albums. That's a lot of music, sure, but nothing compared to what you have in a Spotify subscription. And if you're a student, the price is only $4.99pm, so $60 year.
 
Ok so it's ok to pirate movie but not music, cause it affects the music artists... read this:
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100712/23482610186.shtml
or just google "musicians don't make money from album sales". That will teach you.

You know I would not pirate G.O.T. if I would get it at the same time as it's broadcast in the States and I'll be happy to pay a fiver a month for it. The music industry lost me when they went from vinyl to CDs, doubled the price and promised it would come down once the initial cost would be recovered...

I probably spend more money on IMAX tickets than is necessary, but for the music industry I can only say give some extra value (tracks/info) that is not available elsewhere.

I doubt any of my friend will go for paying for any music anymore. Hey, at least I'm honest about it. you guys are just in denial: subscription services will not make it in the long run. I can only say: adjust to the situation.

Since when does someone get to say "Charge X for it or I'm stealing it"? People pay whatever the market will bear. Too few people pay the requested price, the price goes down. I'm a liberal and I can still get behind a basic business model like that. You are ok with trading your integrity for getting a tv show for free. Some of us have more pride than that.

I'm really not ok with pirating ANY movies but was trying to be a little more reasonable with people who feel the need to do it because really old movies that are already on tv for basically free access aren't really effected by someone getting a copy off the internet instead.

Basically, pirates don't value the work the people in the entertainment industry do so you think you should be able to get it for free or really cheaply. You see the 1% of people getting rich in the industry and think you are justified but oblivious to the majority people involved who just make a basic wage and wonder where the funding for their next project is going to come from so they stay employed. You would change your tune if it was YOU watching people spit on your profession.
 
Tomorrow will be a waste of time on epic proportions. No new products. A huge dance around to the disaster of the apple watch. A scam to get another 20 bucks a month of your money to put right next to all those other 20 bucks a months from everybody else that easily add up to thousand plus a year. Capped by a new iOS you will forced to download, as they strong arm the app developers to instantly roll out IOS9-only updates, that will pretty much brick your device if its more than two years old. All in all a typical post Jobs WWDC.

If all they announce tomorrow is stability for OSX and iOS, that would be AWESOME. Just tune what we already have. Apple was the best, because of their reliability. If they start playing the feature vs. feature game with Android/etc., then we'll have all the bugs they do as well.

Their music service will not be $20pm, no one would use it. In fact, to earn sway Spotify customers over, Beats/Apple Music will need to be bug free and at least the same price.
 
If all they announce tomorrow is stability for OSX and iOS, that would be AWESOME. Just tune what we already have. Apple was the best, because of their reliability. If they start playing the feature vs. feature game with Android/etc., then we'll have all the bugs they do as well.

Their music service will not be $20pm, no one would use it. In fact, to earn sway Spotify customers over, Beats/Apple Music will need to be bug free and at least the same price.

It's already been leaked/rumoured that it will be $9.99, so same as Spotify. The person you're replying to is grossly exaggerating to bait people.
 
I agree.
I hate the subscription model anything! 10 bucks here, 10 bucks there pretty soon you're talking' real money! I'd rather just pay and OWN something!

These subscription models add up fast. $9 for Netflix, $8 for Hulu, $8 for Crunchyroll, $10 for spotify, $10 for Office 365. When it's all said and done I'm spending almost $50/month in subscriptions. Of course, I have multiple family members using these services, so I can't just cancel them.

I guess every developer's goal is to systematically drain your account each month.
 
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Since when does someone get to say "Charge X for it or I'm stealing it"? People pay whatever the market will bear. Too few people pay the requested price, the price goes down. I'm a liberal and I can still get behind a basic business model like that. You are ok with trading your integrity for getting a tv show for free. Some of us have more pride than that.

I'm really not ok with pirating ANY movies but was trying to be a little more reasonable with people who feel the need to do it because really old movies that are already on tv for basically free access aren't really effected by someone getting a copy off the internet instead.

Basically, pirates don't value the work the people in the entertainment industry do so you think you should be able to get it for free or really cheaply. You see the 1% of people getting rich in the industry and think you are justified but oblivious to the majority people involved who just make a basic wage and wonder where the funding for their next project is going to come from so they stay employed. You would change your tune if it was YOU watching people spit on your profession.

if you say: "I'm really not ok with pirating ANY movies but was trying to be a little more reasonable with people who feel the need to do it because really old movies that are already on tv for basically free access aren't really effected by someone getting a copy off the internet instead."

You are having double standards.

In any case I very much doubt Apples subscription service will do anything more than scrape revenue of services as Spotify. people who did get it for free will not (ever) be enticed to pay again, (especially if it is on one platform only).
 
All night, I could have sworn I heard thunder but there was no sign of rain. Now I know it was just the sound of heads rolling...
 
OK, I don't have a streaming subscription. Old school maybe, if I understand it correctly, let's say I buy a song for $1.29. I can listen to it all year and never pay anything more or say an album for $12 same use. But if I stream and I want to listen to that song or album again next month I must pay $9.99 next month and every following month. I have nothing if I cancel my subscription.

I do understand the advantage of finding and listening to as much music as I want with a subscription but I honestly don't go through my day listening continuously.

It is clear from these forums that users have strong opinions each way sometimes being rather rude to fellow members with different opinions. But I wonder if someone might share how they actually use a streaming service and the reasons they made that choice? I'm actually thinking I will give the trial a chance. But I am still not sure about all this when I look at the math but I do also see advantages and thus am still going back and forth.

So sometimes it might be best to listen to the thinking of others and learn from it.
 
More like music is a dead medium as it has been monetized into oblivion yet Apple is grasping at the past/iTunes instead of focusing on the future, video.

But those are YOUR needs that you want focused upon. Most people are here because they/we appreciate music and want a more simplified way to access a near unlimited library and Apple's music streaming service should satisfy the needs of many interested.
 
Anyone else notice on that WWDC picture the french dude posted has altered graphics than what has been shown before? It used to look like a silohette of an apple tv - now they added another outline to change it - how about a new apple tv ?
LOL, is that all you noticed? Surprised nobody (that I have seen so far) has mentioned that instagram pic showing not only the "Apple Music" name but also Apple TV. We may get a surprise tomorrow. Hope so. :)
 
Nothing could be more wrong. When you have access to an unlimited music library, you really rely more on curated playlists and discovery. In a lot of ways it's just ad-free subscription radio, but with the curators aren't just e.g Spotify, but you, your friends, other people with similar tastes, DJs and professionals (for example, the BBC do Spotify playlists). It's really about discovering and enjoying new music in a way you can't compare with ownership.

I didn't spend anything like $10/mo on music, but I've really been enjoying Spotify. It's worth the cost to me, because it adds more enjoyment than $10 worth of music I already know I like.

And therein lies the rub.

Most people simply won't pay for radio, even ad-free and curated. There's too much free competition.

I predict that this streaming service will appeal to children, as they lap up music; they haven't heard much. For the rest of us, it will struggle.
 
OK, I don't have a streaming subscription. Old school maybe, if I understand it correctly, let's say I buy a song for $1.29. I can listen to it all year and never pay anything more or say an album for $12 same use. But if I stream and I want to listen to that song or album again next month I must pay $9.99 next month and every following month. I have nothing if I cancel my subscription.

I do understand the advantage of finding and listening to as much music as I want with a subscription but I honestly don't go through my day listening continuously.

It is clear from these forums that users have strong opinions each way sometimes being rather rude to fellow members with different opinions. But I wonder if someone might share how they actually use a streaming service and the reasons they made that choice? I'm actually thinking I will give the trial a chance. But I am still not sure about all this when I look at the math but I do also see advantages and thus am still going back and forth.

So sometimes it might be best to listen to the thinking of others and learn from it.

Personally, I use Spotify for all my music, old and new. I get to discover new artists, that I've never heard before. I listen on my travels, with some playlists synced for offline listening, if I hit spotty coverage. I also have a back catalogue of albums, and there are artists that I still buy albums, for other times, or if I just fancy listening to them.

Everyone is different though and I'm glad that Apple are giving us another option. Don't see why the people that prefer to rely on purchasing are coming and kicking up a stink in this thread, since it's not compulsory....

Honestly, give the trial a go, see what you think, see if it fits you. You have nothing to lose.
 
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