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Sony PSP2 has quad-core A9 CPU, Apple's iPhone5 too?

Yeah, playing NOVA 2 and Modern Combat 2 using crappy touch screen controls is beyond frustrating. At the very least, Apple needs to release a case that adds dual analog sticks to the iPhone 4.

wikoogle said:
The PSP2 is really damn impressive.

Quad core A9 cpu, and each A9 core is about 30-50% more powerful than the single core A8 cpu that powers the current iPhone 4.

Quad core SGX543 gpu, and each SGX543 core is almost twice as powerful as the single core SGX535 gpu that powers the current iPhone 4.

LPDDR2 ram, which runs at about six times the clock speed of the LPDDR1 ram being used in the current iPhone 4.

Anyway you look at it, the PSP2 is roughly six times more powerful than the iPhone 4, and yet the iPhone 4 can run games that look as amazing as Epic Citadel. So just imagine how good PSP2 games could look.
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Did you watch the Sony conference. Konami directly ported over a section form Metal Gear Solid 4 (one of the most graphically impressive games on the PS3), and it ran on the PSP2 flawlessly. Looked gorgeous too, and everything was being rendered at real time. And this was done in under a week, with no optimization, just a quick and dirty port!
 
3DS will win the war because of its price and headstart, NGP will win the hearts of the true gamers out there in the longer run. Sony builds each platform with 10-year life cycles. PS1 lasted 10 years. PS2's library didn't peak until 2005 and was still a best selling console in 2007! Still supported after almost 11 years. The PS3 could easily drop to $249 or $199 by the time the 3DS is released. PSP could drop to $99. Sony still is dedicated in updating PSP's software that something companies like Samsung lack with their Android phones. I hope this is Sony's road to redemption. I need them to recapture the gaming market and give it back to us hardcore gamers again. I don't want to see anymore party games and redundant FPS games that Microsoft keeps putting out. Second time in a row Nintendo outsells Sony. Second time in a row Nintendo gets outengineered by Sony. I buy a Sony and Nintendo system, I always go back to the big boy system for the big boy games.

I don't give a damn which really sells the best or about motion controls and this latest 3D fad which is everywhere right now. I doubt NGP will beat 3DS in sales, but the gap won't be as big like the DS vs PSP. People forget PSP was outselling DS up until 2006 when the DS lite came out. PSP selling 60M is no flop though. I hate 3D in anything and it is a 60+ old gimmick that needs to die already. Such a superficial fad and it doesn't help that it can ruin our eyes. 3D can never replace great storytelling. The Botox of tech. When I play a game, I want to sit and relax to play. View it in any angle and lie down any way I want. Only reason why Nintendo sold more units last time was because were going through a recession. Different story if they were priced much closer. No serious gamer plays the Wii anymore. Nothing against Big N since Apple and them look to compete for the same audience. But I prefer the Sony way and not the Nintendo kiddie/gimmick way. You pay more upfront with Sony (like a fully-loaded car) and not worry about it in the longer run because it is giving us versatility and value.

Remember in the 1990's when arcades always had better specs than our home consoles? We always got a crappier version of NBA Jam or Mortal Kombat? Then in the 2000's, arcade died because our consoles started to surpass them graphically and we got online gameplay. I truly believe that this latest PSP on steroids is the beginning of the end for home consoles. I don't see a huge jump forward in graphics after the PS3. As long as Sony holds out on PS4 release to not make the NGP look like crap. I believe NGP can converge home and handheld gaming into one. Sony NGP will last 10+ years which is something I don't believe the Nintendo 3DS can do and will need another update in 4-5 years. They are not even in the same generation of specs. 3DS is closer to GCN/Wii which is 6th gen tech, while NGP is closer to PS3 which is a 4+ year old console that hasn't even really peaked yet in games, graphics, or sales. PS3 can last 10 years too with the right price cuts and content.

SONY NGP - FIRST LOOK
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mR3It0me6E

Remember the last time Sony released a completely brand new gaming product? Even at $500-$600, people went nuts for it. Many wanted to get it to sell on eBay. The fact this NGP will probably get released on one of the busiest shopping times of the year is going to make it total chaos again. Far worse than any iPhone launch day and just as brutal as Black Friday.

Customers fight over PS3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6fq1bvdLGI&feature=related
 
The NGP will certainly offer the best portable gaming experience.
Especially for hardcore gamers.

But neither the PSP or PS3 have been a great commercial success. Sony have lost money in gaming because of too much focus on hard core gaming. And the business model Sony uses, has stopped working.

It will be interesting to see whether the NGP changes anything, but as far as I can tell, Sony seems to made the same errors as last time.

C.
 
At the end it is all about the games, and not about hardcore games but about the games most people play. Currently the best selling consoles in their class are the DS and Wii. Neither the most powerful.

And look in the AppStore. Currently the best selling game is Angry Birds whis is very simple and does not use any advanced features of the iPhone. No 3D, no advanced graphics, no motion controls. You don't need an 8 core 10ghz processor to make a crowd pleasing game that sells well.
 
The NGP does seem like a killer device, I keep trying to find reasons to get one, but as of now I still can't justify it for myself. I'm not a big enough gamer, so while yes I would MUCH prefer having real buttons to play games, I dot game enough to justify spending $300+ for that purpose. And other things that this can do, I can due on my iPhone. And while now it's probably 2 generations ahead, buy the time it comes out it'll only he about a generation ahead and witting a year or two phones will have caught up.

Where I do see this being successful might be going up against the iPod touch in the teen market. It has that bigger screen, so its a better device OCR watching movies, it'll have psn so it should also get stuff like Netflix, hulu, and vudu. It'll have sony's music service and it'll be a killer video game device. It also has a front facing camera for video chat Thats the market where I see it being more successful.

Next year may be a tough year for the iPod touch. You'll have the NGP and also the iPhone on verizon will hurt it, there are alot of people on verizon who got the iPod touch because the iPhone wasn't available to them.
 
Honestly why would you need a quad core for a phone? Im buying the iphone because its a great phone, not for a great portable game player, although its app store kicks some serious ass.
 
Carniphage said:
The NGP will certainly offer the best portable gaming experience.
Especially for hardcore gamers.

But neither the PSP or PS3 have been a great commercial success. Sony have lost money in gaming because of too much focus on hard core gaming. And the business model Sony uses, has stopped working.

It will be interesting to see whether the NGP changes anything, but as far as I can tell, Sony seems to made the same errors as last time.

C.
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Completely agree. Currently the hardcore gamer has become sort of a niche market. The money making games right now are casual titles.
 
Michael CM1 said:
Do you have to lug around a car battery to play that thing? Maybe technology has advanced a lot, but if it's as powerful as a PS3 then it will take a car battery to power it for about five minutes.

It's nice to see Sony is smart enough to kill that lame UMD format. Maybe it was neat for a day or two, but I think the iPhone and iPod touch app store came out maybe 18 months later with all downloadable games plus downloadable movies and music. I never understood the concept of buying a movie separately to play on that thing.

I doubt you could totally rely on flash storage to hold games, but it would be a semi-smart move. With 32GB of flash, how many PSP2 games would it hold? I think the biggest iOS game I have seen is about 150-200MB.

It looks like neat technology, but it's still got that Sony-branded BLAH all over it. The shapes on the buttons thing got old quite a while ago. Maybe I'm just a grumpy Xbox and Wii owner, but a lot of that stuff looks goofy.
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What are two of the biggest power draws on a PSP? The backlight and the UMD drive. Both of those things are gone (OLED now). This thing reportedly has better battery life than the 3DS, at about 5 hours of playtime.

The games will still be bought physically, but instead of a UMD, each game will come on a flash chip similar to a DS cartridge. It looks slightly different than an SD card, but it may be the same. No one knows yet. They will likely also offer games for download.

The shapes on the buttons has always been sony's thing. It makes them unique. Who cares what picture is on the buttons? It doesn't affect gameplay at all.
 
RebeccaL said:
At the end it is all about the games, and not about hardcore games but about the games most people play. Currently the best selling consoles in their class are the DS and Wii. Neither the most powerful.

And look in the AppStore. Currently the best selling game is Angry Birds whis is very simple and does not use any advanced features of the iPhone. No 3D, no advanced graphics, no motion controls. You don't need an 8 core 10ghz processor to make a crowd pleasing game that sells well.
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so by your logic, miley cyrus is one of the best musicians in the world, because shes "one of the best selling in her class?"

best selling is not = best. The Wii is the worst console. It has the worst games. It sells the most. (The DS is a pretty great handheld, I'll give it that, but the 3DS feels less like a new system and more like a marginally updated DS. The PSP2 is no doubt a new system)

The general public isn't very smart.
 
Look at Nintendo and their product cycles. Much shorter. They released the original GameBoy Advance in 2001. In early 2003, the SP version comes out. In 2004, they release the original DS. In 2005, a GameBoy Micro. In 2006, the DS lite comes out and that's when sales really take off as well as the $129 price tag. Then they release a DSi with crappy VGA cameras and an XL version while RAISING the price. Now, they have a 3DS going to be released next month and who knows when new gaming support stops for the DS models? Also, Nintendo always loses to the hardcore crowd and their best games is their first-party games. Third party support is always better on other platforms. My PSP is going to turn 6-years old in June, and I still get firmware updates.

People call PSP a flop when it sold over 60M worldwide and will still have games THIS year like The 3rd Birthday, Dissidia 012, and Monster Hunter. Haters think PSP has sales like the WonderSwan or something. PSP actually outsold DS last year in Japan. PSOne classics like Xenogears and Parasite Eve will be released here in the States as well. Even the Nintendo 64 and GameCube didn't last as long as the PSP on the shelf, and Nintendo stopped supporting them when the newer one got released. GCN was a capable system and got instantly phased out when the Wii got released. The Xbox only had 4 years in its life. There were still games being supported for the PS1 and PS2 years after their successors got released.

I predict the sales between 3DS vs NGP will play out like the Wii vs PS3. Nintendo will "sprint" out of the gate because of its cheaper cost and take the lead while Sony still views the race like a 10-year marathon. When every gamer gets their "3D" fix, then they will get bored with it real quick just like their Wii, save up, and then get a better and more powerful system for their needs. After a few years, Sony's prices will go down. No serious gamer gives a damn about the Wii. A one-trick pony and I'm hardly anticipating for a Wii 2. The Wii is the worst system to ever be that successful and I was one of those 84M duped into buying one on launch. Kinect and Move already do motion controls better while 360 and PS3 still appealing to third-party supporters and hardcore gamers. Nintendo sales will peak earlier. Sony is patient enough to outsell Nintendo about 4-5 years later because their hardware is still like 5 years ahead of them. I suggest if 3DS sells like crazy (and it will), Sony should just drop the price of their PS3 to $199 and PSP to $99. Most new buyers can have a choice between a $200 home console w/ Blu-ray, better multimedia features, and more proven library vs $250 newer 3D handheld with a weak launch line-up.

For $300 - $350 is not a bad deal for this newer PSP. That is still a bargain for this technology. Makes you realize how overpriced other gadgets are. It has the hardware to compete with the best smartphones and tablets that go off for $500+. The Atrix 4G, Xoom, PlayBook, iPhone 5, iPad 2, are not even out yet with their dual-core hardware, and Sony still surpasses them alll! The biggest question remains.... will NGP be the end of all home consoles as we know it? Will it finally blur the lines between home and portable gaming? Nomore putting our PS3 in our backpacks to go to a friend's house. We can just plug our. NGP onto our HDTV and start playing with a DualShock 3 controller via Bluetooth while it also recharges. The move to 3D gaming and movies seems unnecessary right now.


Sony NGP Gut Reactions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrPwishQL9k
 
dccorona said:
so by your logic, miley cyrus is one of the best musicians in the world, because shes "one of the best selling in her class?"

best selling is not = best. The Wii is the worst console. It has the worst games. It sells the most. (The DS is a pretty great handheld, I'll give it that, but the 3DS feels less like a new system and more like a marginally updated DS. The PSP2 is no doubt a new system)

The general public isn't very smart.
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The Wii makes money for Nintendo. (Although not much for third parties).
The PSP didn't work for Sony. The PS3 has lost Sony a gigantic pile of cash. It's been a disaster.

The problem with console development is that the cost of making games is linked to Moores Law. It keeps on doubling. But the profitability of selling games is linked to the growth of the industry. It's growing much more slowly.

Can you see the problem? The costs are overtaking the profits.

Over the last five years this has meant that only vastly expensive mega-franchises have made money. Smaller independent console developers have disappeared.

Giving hardcore gamers exactly what they want, might create "great games" but isn't very smart.

C.
 
Carniphage said:
The Wii makes money for Nintendo. (Although not much for third parties).
The PSP didn't work for Sony. The PS3 has lost Sony a gigantic pile of cash. It's been a disaster.

The problem with console development is that the cost of making games is linked to Moores Law. It keeps on doubling. But the profitability of selling games is linked to the growth of the industry. It's growing much more slowly.

Can you see the problem? The costs are overtaking the profits.

Over the last five years this has meant that only vastly expensive mega-franchises have made money. Smaller independent console developers have disappeared.

Giving hardcore gamers exactly what they want, might create "great games" but isn't very smart.

C.
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I don't know if you trying to spread blatantly wrong information or are just a blind hater but this is incorrect. Your right, Sony does have a habit of launching hardware at a loss however recent PS3 sales (especially over the last year) has been good. Just this last quarter Sony sold 2.4 million consoles as well as 24 million software units.

Just because Sony launches a product at a loss to compete in the market pricewise, does not mean the product "was a disaster."

Hell, it has been argued that the PS3 is STILL the most advanced game/multi media console on the market. The new NGP will bridge the portable gaming market and the console gaming market together which will open a host of new opportunities in development
 
Hasn't Sony been stressing that they are focusing on a price that consumers will be attracted to with their device? I think i read somewhere that they said that it won't be ~500 dollars for their NGP.

They are going for a price point that's reasonable in the "portable gaming space". Given that the NDS 3D is in the low end of that spectrum (and just for kicks) and the iphone is on the high end of that spectrum (lololol iphone "gaming handheld" haha). I think Sony might price the device @ the ~260 price point.

300 is a lot to charge for a portable device, especially since it costs more than the PS3. Pricing it @ 300 means people would rather get a NDS3D, also pricing it @ 300 would push people to go for an iphone, you can play some games and make/receive phone calls and do many other things with the device. They have to pit the device against the lower end of the spectrum or else they will get blown away. Also, it's january 2011, by the time the device is released perhaps components/refined manufacturing processes could make the device a lot more affordable to make/sell.

Just my 2 cents.
 
iUser4Lyfe said:
I don't know if you trying to spread blatantly wrong information or are just a blind hater but this is incorrect. Your right, Sony does have a habit of launching hardware at a loss however recent PS3 sales (especially over the last year) has been good. Just this last quarter Sony sold 2.4 million consoles as well as 24 million software units.

Just because Sony launches a product at a loss to compete in the market pricewise, does not mean the product "was a disaster."

Hell, it has been argued that the PS3 is STILL the most advanced game/multi media console on the market. The new NGP will bridge the portable gaming market and the console gaming market together which will open a host of new opportunities in development
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Yeah, that's weird, I don't know why people still think the ps3 is struggling. As far as sales, aren't they second right now to the wii? I don't get how the xbobx is a success while costing Microsoft billions in warrantee trades, while the ps3 is a failure while it has caught up and passed the xbox to be number 2 worldwide even though it was released a year later at a much higher price.
 
Fernandez21 said:
Yeah, that's weird, I don't know why people still think the ps3 is struggling. As far as sales, aren't they second right now to the wii? I don't get how the xbobx is a success while costing Microsoft billions in warrantee trades, while the ps3 is a failure while it has caught up and passed the xbox to be number 2 worldwide even though it was released a year later at a much higher price.
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No, the xbox is 8 million units ahead of the ps3 and microsoft's devices and entertainment division did excellent this past quarter, driven by millions of kinects sold. They actually ran out of 360 units over the holidays. The 360 continues to outsell the ps3 domestically.
 
HISTORY OF PLAYSTATION
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDk7l73iRX4&feature=related

^^^ People should remember when Sony was still an underdog and when they got backstabbed by Nintendo.

Sony is back to being the underdog again vs Nintendo in the handheld wars but still many years ahead in hardware.

I am telling alot of people right now, 3D gaming development is going to be expensive. About 3X more. When the development cost is too high, third parties will get turned away and just develop games on a platform easier to develop for. 3D gaming is unproven and unfamiliar to many companies. Who knows if 3D is just a fad that never dies like it has always been since the 1950's.

You buy another Nintendo console, the best games you wait for come from Nintendo as third party support will die out eventually just like what happened to the Wii. Nintendo will keep banking on the next Miyamoto game, but how often do his games get released per year? You pay lower upfront for Nintendo, but end up paying more in the longer run since they refuse to lower their first party games after many years later.

This was Kaz Hirai comment back in 2006 -

Kaz Hirai: PS3's Lifespan is 10 Years
http://www.1up.com/news/kaz-hirai-ps3-lifespan-10

"I think that we are offering a very good value for the consumers. We look at our products having a 10-year life cycle, which we've proven with the PlayStation. Therefore, the PlayStation 3 is going to be a console that's going to be with you again for 10 years. We're not going to ask the consumers to suddenly buy another PlayStation console in five years time, and basically have their investment go by the wayside. So for all those reasons, I think at $599 we're offering a very good value to the consumers."
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Even until this day after almost 11 years, PS2 is still being supported by Sony. They are patient with their devices and can even milk the PSP and PS3 for another 5 more years once prices drop for budget-conscious families and developing countries worldwide. Problem is people want shiny new toys all the time. Yet, when Sony does release something very advanced while losing money for every unit sold, people still HATE and crucify them. Then 3-5 years later when the price is reasonable, those same critics stop.

Here is quote of PSP having 10 years -

http://playstationlifestyle.net/2010/06/19/john-koller-believes-psp-has-10-year-life-cycle/

The price drops haven't happened yet. But just wait for sales to spike again when PS3 is under $200 and PSP is $99. You will see exactly what Kaz always meant.
 
iUser4Lyfe said:
I don't know if you trying to spread blatantly wrong information or are just a blind hater but this is incorrect. Your right, Sony does have a habit of launching hardware at a loss however recent PS3 sales (especially over the last year) has been good. Just this last quarter Sony sold 2.4 million consoles as well as 24 million software units.

Just because Sony launches a product at a loss to compete in the market pricewise, does not mean the product "was a disaster."

Hell, it has been argued that the PS3 is STILL the most advanced game/multi media console on the market. The new NGP will bridge the portable gaming market and the console gaming market together which will open a host of new opportunities in development
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Do me a favour and Google Sony's game division's annual losses since the PS3 launch.

Then come back here and post them - and explain why it hasn't been a disaster.

C .

PS. Here's a URL that created by some "Blind Haters" http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/fr/index.html"
 
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Fernandez21 said:
Yeah, that's weird, I don't know why people still think the ps3 is struggling. As far as sales, aren't they second right now to the wii? I don't get how the xbobx is a success while costing Microsoft billions in warrantee trades, while the ps3 is a failure while it has caught up and passed the xbox to be number 2 worldwide even though it was released a year later at a much higher price.
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The 360 has been a bit of a disaster too. Just not to the same magnitude as the PS3.

C.
 
chrmjenkins said:
No, the xbox is 8 million units ahead of the ps3 and microsoft's devices and entertainment division did excellent this past quarter, driven by millions of kinects sold. They actually ran out of 360 units over the holidays. The 360 continues to outsell the ps3 domestically.
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4 million units ahead, though it does indeed outsel the PS3 domestically. Weekly worldwide sales volumes are statistically identical, however.
 
iUser4Lyfe said:
I don't know if you trying to spread blatantly wrong information or are just a blind hater but this is incorrect. Your right, Sony does have a habit of launching hardware at a loss however recent PS3 sales (especially over the last year) has been good. Just this last quarter Sony sold 2.4 million consoles as well as 24 million software units.

Just because Sony launches a product at a loss to compete in the market pricewise, does not mean the product "was a disaster."

Hell, it has been argued that the PS3 is STILL the most advanced game/multi media console on the market. The new NGP will bridge the portable gaming market and the console gaming market together which will open a host of new opportunities in development
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Some stories to go along with the above: Goverment uses PS3

Savor said:
Look at Nintendo and their product cycles. Much shorter. They released the original GameBoy Advance in 2001. In early 2003, the SP version comes out. In 2004, they release the original DS. In 2005, a GameBoy Micro. In 2006, the DS lite comes out and that's when sales really take off as well as the $129 price tag. Then they release a DSi with crappy VGA cameras and an XL version while RAISING the price. Now, they have a 3DS going to be released next month and who knows when new gaming support stops for the DS models? Also, Nintendo always loses to the hardcore crowd and their best games is their first-party games. Third party support is always better on other platforms. My PSP is going to turn 6-years old in June, and I still get firmware updates.

People call PSP a flop when it sold over 60M worldwide and will still have games THIS year like The 3rd Birthday, Dissidia 012, and Monster Hunter. Haters think PSP has sales like the WonderSwan or something. PSP actually outsold DS last year in Japan. PSOne classics like Xenogears and Parasite Eve will be released here in the States as well. Even the Nintendo 64 and GameCube didn't last as long as the PSP on the shelf, and Nintendo stopped supporting them when the newer one got released. GCN was a capable system and got instantly phased out when the Wii got released. The Xbox only had 4 years in its life. There were still games being supported for the PS1 and PS2 years after their successors got released. ...snip
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I didn't want to quote the whole post, just to thank you for it.
 
hcho3 said:
I don't understand some people who always compare a phone to gaming device.

Has the NGP price been announced? No. They are not announcing, why? Because it's going to be expensive. Expect 399/499 dollars from that thing.

iPhone does a lot more than PSP. Quad core means nothing and nothing at all unless the OS takes the advantage of the hardware.
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they didn't announce the price of the 3DS at first either. And its 250.

they probably don't have the pricing set yet, and they'll probably sell it at a loss at first, just like the PS3. Video games are a strange business. It makes sense to sell hardware at a loss so you can move software
 
dccorona said:
they didn't announce the price of the 3DS at first either. And its 250.

they probably don't have the pricing set yet, and they'll probably sell it at a loss at first, just like the PS3. Video games are a strange business. It makes sense to sell hardware at a loss so you can move software
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Yeah, they have to test the market with pricing rumors and I'm not sure how long ahead of time their supplier contracts are in place. They also won't launch until there is quality software, something nintendo doesn't seem to care about with their lack of first party launch 3DS titles.
 
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