Monterey is not 32 bit nor does it support 32 bit. Mojave was the last one to run 32 bit applications but it isn’t a 32 bit OS either.
I believe Lion 10.7 was the last one to actually be able to run on a 32 bit CPU, and even that needed coaxing.
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Sorbet Leopard - Your Power Mac Unleashed
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I believe Lion 10.7 was the last one to actually be able to run on a 32 bit CPU, and even that needed coaxing.
Lion officially couldn't run it but I remember reading threads detailing how to get the 32-bit MacBooks to run it.
Apple has had many fails but those late 2005 G5s/PBG4s and the early 2006 intel Macs take the cake for top-tier terrible, no-good, very bad Apple. The life support for these machines is pretty pitiful, albeit slightly more excusable for the 32-bit Intel ones which at least ran Snow Leopard officially. You got 4 years from the PMG5 Quad and like 5 years from the first MBP Intels that had loads of heat issues. Thankfully OS X Lion played nice with 32-bit EFI so you could still run that OS but nothing for the Power Macs and iMacs unfortunately that could absolutely run Snow Leopard.
Correct, hence it needed coaxing. I never did it personally, but I remember seeing threads about getting it running. Similarly, 2007 Macs that did have a 64bit CPU, had some half-assed firmware implementation making 64bit OS support annoying unless it was Windows under CSM. There was a fix for that too, but the fact Apple didn't fix it themselves was asinine. I had Mountain Lion 10.8 on a 2007 MBP. Had a Core 2 Duo, but 32bit EFI which meant Apple decided it couldn't have Mountain Lion instead of either releasing a firmware update or fixing the boot loader on their OS.
I would disagree with them being top-tier terrible, as they were (and most still are) very good machines, especially the PowerBooks. Other than having only a single core, the later PowerBooks (or probably iBooks would be a better comparison) had much better GPU power than any of the 2006 Intel's that didn't have a dedicated GPU. Intel iGPUs have been pretty useless until very recently.
I 100% agree about the life support on them though. Snow Leopard and maybe even Lion, should've ran on G4s and G5s. If we applied their logic from the PPC to x86 switch to their current x86 to ARM switch, all the Intel Macs already including the Mac Pro 7,1 would be totally unsupported by macOS probably two or three releases ago. The 2005 PPCs got literally one OS upgrade. That always irritated me.
Agreed!! I was SO disappointed/angry with Apple when my late model Power Mac G5 DP 2.3 GHz only got the one OS bump, from the Tiger it was delivered with to Leopard. I will NEVER understand how Apple so completely failed their customer base on this one.
Provide an optional installation of a package manager capable of building modern software. (Doesn’t have to be MacPorts, there are other options too.)
Ideally provide some fundamental software in pre-built form, like gcc and cmake. For someone with only G4 hardware that’s a big deal.
You're right, I got my "M" OSes mixed up there! Thanks for catching that.
Is the only live link to get Sorbet Leopard v2 on Macintosh Repository with its CAD$20/USD$14 required donation?
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DO NOT use the Macintosh Repository, they rip off their user base by charging stuff. You can get it for free instead in the Macintosh Garden.
I can’t find Sorbet Leopard v2 on Macintosh Garden. The only page there is for ‘1.5’ and the filename is ‘R15’ dated 2022-05-02.
I did not realize there was a v2.0 of sorbet. I thought it was 1.5 + the 2023 supplementary update. I could be wrong though. I’ve been humming along with this on my DC2.0 pmG5.
Hey that's cool! I was not aware - derp
. @z970 where can we DL v2 of Sorbet? I also only saw 1.5 on MG and the alternate download window.
Yes, they are interchangeable.
I believe the version numbering system changed after "v2", as following v2 was v1.3 and subsequent versions.
Hey that's cool! I was not aware - derp
At the bottom of the page, there's a list of older versions. You will need a Macintosh Garden account to access them.
Looking at this list, "v2" was actually followed by "1.4", and then 1.5. I think this was because there were already two development builds produced for the testing volunteers between its reveal in June '21 and subsequent release in November. From what I recall, it needed incremental builds to release because the targeted change list was so large and it took time to implement them all.
So I guess it went like Dev 1.0 > Dev 1.1 > Release 1.2 ("v1") > Release 1.3 ("v2") > Release 1.4 > Release 1.5
I think all of the original goals were achieved by 1.4, so 1.5 was for the first time mostly focused on just polishing everything and making the user experience better.
On another note, the supplemental update was just a modified cookie file for the Invidious instance in the Sorbet App Store. That instance has closed down now, so the update is useless. At some point, I need to get around to removing it and replacing the instance there with a better solution for YouTube I found a little while back. The whole store needs updating to showcase some cool new projects that were released in the years since.
They also selfishly hog Macintosh Garden's bandwidth (making it slower for everyone else) because they're constantly scraping its servers for new software and updates to add to their own. So they scrape the Garden's servers for free content, and then charge for it to the unsuspecting.
It is a very unsavory site. I wish the folks at reddit would stop promoting it.
Thanks for the clarification I’ll get R15. How do I find out about the ‘cool new projects that were released in the years since’?
I think that Aquafox (now at v2.3) and the various open source projects available through PPCPorts and/or MacPorts, courtesy of @barracuda156 and a small army of helpers, are the key new "cool new projects". Other readers, are there more?
Does anyone know if the 1.67ghz G4 can playback 1920x1080@24fps h.264? What about the same but prores?
Why don’t you just try?
It probably will play, perhaps inconsistently. If I don’t forget, I can try it on the week.
I will but not setup isn’t running yet. I’ll be ready in about a week. Just snagged an A1139 PowerBook.
Between Coreplayer and Mplayer mine could but with so many tweaks the quality was degraded - so 720P looked better.
Even 720P will run your CPU hot - better not to torture such vintage hardware and play good quality 360/480P!
Out of curiosity, do mplayer-devel, mpv or qmplay2 perform better? (I would expect that they do, but it may depend on multiple factors.)
On 10.5 (and 10.6, of course, these should build from my PPCPorts). On 10.4 it may be a painful endeavor though.
I don't specifically remember trying those - though I suspect I gave mpv and qmplay2 a try?
I have regularly pitched the ancient Mplayer against newer compiled versions and FFPlay though and it still has the edge in terms of CPU use (and less audio sync issues) but the newer players have better compatibility.