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Apple’s VR is dead on arrival.

This is a result of Apple’s poor relationship with app developers and competitors.

As we have now seen all the major companies Apple desperately needs are not only not developing for Vision Pro but are yanking their iPad versions from being compatible too.

I suspect their behaviour with the 27% third party app store fee this week has been the straw that broke the camels back.

Downvote me all you want but these are facts… they have no interest at all supporting Apple’s entry into another new category and continuing their market dominance and for once Apple needs them more than they need Apple.

Apple are screwed.
Vision Pro is dead on arrival.

Save this post and look at it again in two years time, then give me kudos
 
Apple’s VR is dead on arrival.

This is a result of Apple’s poor relationship with app developers and competitors.

As we have now seen all the major companies Apple desperately needs are not only not developing for Vision Pro but are yanking their iPad versions from being compatible too.

I suspect their behaviour with the 27% third party app store fee this week has been the straw that broke the camels back.

Downvote me all you want but these are facts… they have no interest at all supporting Apple’s entry into another new category and continuing their market dominance and for once Apple needs them more than they need Apple.

Apple are screwed.
Vision Pro is dead on arrival.

Save this post and look at it again in two years time, then give me kudos
I've tended to be pretty pessimistic about the AVP thus far and yeah this is just a bad take. If you notice unlike in the past, you don't really have analyst predicting its death like you did with the iPhone, iPad, watch, etc because they've just given up on predicting how much consumers will lap up whatever Apple throws at them.

There are a lot of things about it that just don't add up that's for sure, just for example, why is it that it's been 7 months and we haven't seen one app (other than maybe like a screenshot of fruit ninja?) that isn't Apple made?
 
Bro its got a web browser... I don't even use Spotify cause that's just the cheap version of Apple Music. Also Facebook, Netflix, Youtube? I got a web browsers. I don't install those apps on my Mac. And this headset is more like a Mac than any of Apples other products .
 
Apple’s VR is dead on arrival.

This is a result of Apple’s poor relationship with app developers and competitors.

As we have now seen all the major companies Apple desperately needs are not only not developing for Vision Pro but are yanking their iPad versions from being compatible too.

I suspect their behaviour with the 27% third party app store fee this week has been the straw that broke the camels back.

Downvote me all you want but these are facts… they have no interest at all supporting Apple’s entry into another new category and continuing their market dominance and for once Apple needs them more than they need Apple.

Apple are screwed.
Vision Pro is dead on arrival.

Save this post and look at it again in two years time, then give me kudos
I believe that when one door closes, another opens.

If spotify isn't available, there's always the option of subscribing to Apple Music.

If YouTube isn't available, I would recommend an app like play, which is a third party view for YouTube videos. You can save videos inside and view them natively in the app, thereby getting around the need for a stock app.

Infuse is there if you wish to access your media library. So if Netflix doesn't want to make their content available on a Vision Pro despite users already paying $20 a month, then torrent it and host it on your plex server.

At the same time, Apple continues to build up their video streaming and games platform, possibly because they saw such a possibility.

Options and alternatives exist, and I believe that at the end of the day, these companies will end up needing Apple more than Apple needs them. We saw that with Fortnite being kicked out of the App Store. However big or influential these brands may be, they are but one app in a sea of apps. So I don't need all developers to jump on board. I just need enough of them.
 
I remember when the iPad came out and most apps weren’t meant for it. They were iPhone apps that had a 2x button. It’s no different. As other folks have said, it’s a different OS. Takes time and a lot of developers would prefer to offer a dedicated app than a poorer experience of an iPad version.

Let’s look at more recent history. We’ve had the dynamic island and live activities for what? A year and 4 months (guessing)? Google doesn’t even support live activities yet and plenty of apps that could, don’t support the dynamic island. I hate to say it but you’re missing decades of context with Apple and making conclusions based on pure speculation.

Plus, what developers have outright said they won’t touch vision pro and won’t allow their iPad app to work? Besides Netflix which has a website? Because I’m not aware of any other high profile developers.

Did you see the other players in streaming that will support it? Look at the article from 1/16 on this very site.

“Disney+, ESPN, MLB, NBA, PGA Tour, Max, Discovery+, Amazon Prime Video, Paramount+, Peacock, Pluto TV, Tubi, Fubo, Crunchyroll, Red Bull TV, IMAX, TikTok, and MUBI. Major League Soccer fans can also access MLS Season Pass through the Apple TV app on the headset.”

All of those will be available.

As someone once said, save this post and look at it again in two years time, then give me kudos
 
I believe that when one door closes, another opens.

If spotify isn't available, there's always the option of subscribing to Apple Music.

If YouTube isn't available, I would recommend an app like play, which is a third party view for YouTube videos. You can save videos inside and view them natively in the app, thereby getting around the need for a stock app.

Infuse is there if you wish to access your media library. So if Netflix doesn't want to make their content available on a Vision Pro despite users already paying $20 a month, then torrent it and host it on your plex server.

At the same time, Apple continues to build up their video streaming and games platform, possibly because they saw such a possibility.

Options and alternatives exist, and I believe that at the end of the day, these companies will end up needing Apple more than Apple needs them. We saw that with Fortnite being kicked out of the App Store. However big or influential these brands may be, they are but one app in a sea of apps. So I don't need all developers to jump on board. I just need enough of them.
I believe you watch too much Cloud Atlas…
 
Why does Apple even give developers the option to opt-out? When iPad first launched there were very few apps optimized for iPad, so Apple chose to allow iPhone apps to run without an option to opt out, and everyone was happy. Now Apple took these features away from us. It benefits neither Apple nor consumers. They'll probably regret this decision now that visionOS has no apps🤣

It's quite painful trying to sideload iOS apps that I have to use on macOS.
 
I believe that when one door closes, another opens.

If spotify isn't available, there's always the option of subscribing to Apple Music.

If YouTube isn't available, I would recommend an app like play, which is a third party view for YouTube videos. You can save videos inside and view them natively in the app, thereby getting around the need for a stock app.

Infuse is there if you wish to access your media library. So if Netflix doesn't want to make their content available on a Vision Pro despite users already paying $20 a month, then torrent it and host it on your plex server.

At the same time, Apple continues to build up their video streaming and games platform, possibly because they saw such a possibility.

Options and alternatives exist, and I believe that at the end of the day, these companies will end up needing Apple more than Apple needs them. We saw that with Fortnite being kicked out of the App Store. However big or influential these brands may be, they are but one app in a sea of apps. So I don't need all developers to jump on board. I just need enough of them.
If you like workarounds, pick apple. It just works.
 
If you’re basing off of day one apps, because developers aren’t excited about developing for a new platform the Mac, iPad, and Apple Watch would also have been dead on arrival. And the same things were said about the iPhone, and it revolutionized the industry. Weather this product is a flop or not, it will have an impact on the wearable technology (VR/AR) space.
 
From OP's bitter tone, I am guessing that he is a developer. Just a guess, though. In any case, I understand developers' frustration toward Apple, but I have little sympathy for many (most?) developers.

From the developers' viewpoint, Apple is screwing them. But from my viewpoint as a consumer, I think many developers are screwing us. Some of them do good work, charge fair prices, do not exploit (or better, do not use) the subscription model. Good. But many developers do not deserve to exist on the market.

"You don't understand how hard it is!" Well, I don't care. It's none of my business how hard it is for you. Make a good product that deserves the money you demand. Otherwise, to me you don't deserve to exist on the market, and I don't care what happens to you.

Downvote me all you want. Save this post and come back whenever you feel bewildered as to why no sympathy is given to you when you feel you are getting screwed by Apple.
 
If you like workarounds, pick apple. It just works.
Is a workaround still a workaround if it ends up being a better experience than the default app experience?

That was in part, my experience with the iPad. Pretty limited at the start, I learnt to either deal with, or get around those limitations. In time, those workarounds would become the default, while the "default" became the more cumbersome workaround in comparison.

For example, the lack of external drive support for the iPad led me to subscribe to Dropbox and store all my files online. This would lead me to rethink the way I work, and eschew physical storage in favour of cloud storage. Which I find more convenient these days, but I might never have made the initial leap had the limitations of iOS not given me the kick I needed to rethink the way I did things.

Copied was also an app that I experimented with to get around the clunkiness of the copy and paste mechanic on iOS, and in the right situation, it ended up being more convenient and efficient than even copying and pasting on a PC.

MS Office was not available on the iPad for the longest time, and I have since learnt to not care about that drawback. While I do have office currently installed on my iPad, it's no longer the indispensable app many made it out to be, and in the 4 years that it was unavailable, I have had the opportunity to try out numerous alternatives.

I am also a fan of third party apps, in part because it appears that these small developers do care more about the end user experience than the larger companies currently engaged in a pissing match with Apple. As I mentioned earlier, spotify not being available on the vision pro could well end up biting Spotify in the rear if users decide to switch to Apple Music. At the end of the day, it's just another distraction from their financial woes (looking at 2026 when their 1 billion dollar debt becomes due). 😈


I preferred Tweetbot to Twitter and Apollo to Reddit back when those apps were still available. Better UI, smoother performance, zero ads. I also recommend Play as an alternative Youtube player, and infuse as a media player.


I guess what I am trying to say is that with any new computing paradigm, there is the opportunity to rethink the way things are done and question if the old ways or the original apps that seem like household names are in fact all that they are really cracked up to be. Yes, I watch a lot of YouTube, but I don't necessarily need the default app for that.

A lot of computing habits and practices I take for granted today, I picked up because of the limitations inherent in the iPad. Habits that would never had manifested had I continued to be happy with the old ways because "that's how things have always bene done".

This is what I mean when I say "When one door closes, another opens". If I can't find a way, I will make one. And in the future, may that solution become the new reality. 😊
 
Apple’s VR is dead on arrival.

This is a result of Apple’s poor relationship with app developers and competitors.

As we have now seen all the major companies Apple desperately needs are not only not developing for Vision Pro but are yanking their iPad versions from being compatible too.

I suspect their behaviour with the 27% third party app store fee this week has been the straw that broke the camels back.

Downvote me all you want but these are facts… they have no interest at all supporting Apple’s entry into another new category and continuing their market dominance and for once Apple needs them more than they need Apple.

Apple are screwed.
Vision Pro is dead on arrival.

Save this post and look at it again in two years time, then give me kudos
You're absolutely right. The thing should be a monitor, nothing more, nothing less. VR yes, and then simply via thunderbolt or wlan on the ipad, iphone or mac. The devices can do this and the battery would last for days. And design + size are only for navy seals or star wars fans. Of course, the crazy ones will buy it, but for them it will soon only be around as decoration.
 
If you’re basing off of day one apps, because developers aren’t excited about developing for a new platform the Mac, iPad, and Apple Watch would also have been dead on arrival. And the same things were said about the iPhone, and it revolutionized the industry. Weather this product is a flop or not, it will have an impact on the wearable technology (VR/AR) space.
Eh this is all only partially true. The Mac sure, many of the apps for it (such as Excel, Lotus apps) were somewhat delayed by a bit. The iPad actually had quite a few apps that were fully optimized for it when it was released, including art apps, learning, and the iWork suite, and besides that the initial push for it was for content consumption in a more personal way than a laptop and they had a strong emphasis on print media and books if I recall, you know an actual use case.

The Apple Watch when it was first revealed yeah it didn't have much, but a few months later they did a follow up show before the actual launch I believe and there was a decent amount of stuff on it. Interestingly enough I feel like the Apple Watch actually has less apps now than it did say in the Series 2-3 days. The Apple Watch was also actually somewhat hard for Apple to sell the first year as it allegedly only sold about half of what they had expected to sell in the first year, but it certainly bounced back and besides that Apple was FAR more enthusiastic about that than they are this. Just one of the reasons why I'm very skeptical and unsure about it, and this is from a guy that isn't really unsure about Apple most of the time.

In the case of the AVP for example Apple hasn't even optimized all of their apps which is kind of insane to me. It's REALLY insane to me that they didn't even do anything new with Maps for example which of all the current apps that could benefit from AVP that would be it to me.
 
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