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Sorry, Apple Vision Pro is dead on arrival

Apple needs to hire Neil Cybart. He’s drank buckets of kool-aid on this product and is its biggest booster amongst the Apple techie community (though he doesn’t come from tech himself). I saw a Threads post from Brian Stelter (used to be at CNN, was an advisor to the TV+ show The Morning Show). He was given a VP to try out and he thought it was the most amazing thing ever he ended up buying one. I’ll be curious too see how much he mentions it going forward. Is it something he’ll use all the time or once the novelty and wow factor wears off will it sit in a drawer somewhere?
 
It isn't dead on arrival at all. I think it's going to take a few months for people to understand the limitations and for any issues to be ironed out.

I do think it'll have an identity issue - look at the Apple Watch, had it too. Now we are comfortable with what it is.

Apple will have specific expectations for the Vision Pro likely with much lower sales projections than we could imagine. Look at the Macintosh - very high price point initially - then it tapered off with advancements.

AVP will likely follow the Macintosh Trajectory, I can see it becoming the budget version by 2028-ish with new AVP coming in at 1.5K.
 
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desslr said:
Apple’s VR is dead on arrival.

This is a result of Apple’s poor relationship with app developers and competitors.

As we have now seen all the major companies Apple desperately needs are not only not developing for Vision Pro but are yanking their iPad versions from being compatible too.

I suspect their behaviour with the 27% third party app store fee this week has been the straw that broke the camels back.

Downvote me all you want but these are facts… they have no interest at all supporting Apple’s entry into another new category and continuing their market dominance and for once Apple needs them more than they need Apple.

Apple are screwed.
Vision Pro is dead on arrival.

Save this post and look at it again in two years time, then give me kudos
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Strong Reddit vibes here ha
 
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antiprotest said:
From the developers' viewpoint, Apple is screwing them. But from my viewpoint as a consumer, I think many developers are screwing us. Some of them do good work, charge fair prices, do not exploit (or better, do not use) the subscription model. Good. But many developers do not deserve to exist on the market.
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There is a market (and AppStore) for developer products. Just like there is a market for Apple products. Customers keep buying what they want. When the market works good products are rewarded and bad products punished.

The reason developers are upset is because the terms bad and there is no competition. I suppose you can say "but Android", but really? Eew.
 
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Nice troll post. It is so dead on arrival that you can't even order one right now because they are all sold out. :-D
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Sure you can order it. But if NO ONE is making apps for it besides apples themselves…… imagine where the iPhone would be right now if all 27 apps on the App Store were made ONLY by Apple…. No 3rd party support.
 
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I bet if this AVP was around $1000-$1500 we would get less of these threads.
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True, but that’s also unrealistic with the current technology. A MacBook Air with 16/256 is $1,499 MSRP. An M2 iPad with 256 is $899 but only 8GB. A hypothetical 16GB M2 iPad would be $1,099 with Apple’s pricing.

Could Apple eventually get this down to around $1,500? Yes, but they seem to be aiming high and releasing a kitchen sink version first to figure out what works and doesn’t work, what people actually use most, etc. Then they will release a non-Pro “Apple Vision.“

It wouldn’t surprise me, assuming this takes off, that in a few years there is an Apple Vision for $1,599 running an M3 or M4 chip (the ray tracing and dynamic caching make sense if Apple is truly serious about gaming). Apple is still selling “new” products running the M1 more than 3 years after that chip initially shipped.
 
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24 hours after pre-ordering opened - none at any of the 8 Apple stores near me have any left for in store pickup.

Delivery is now over 1 month out.

Tells you that Southern California is hot for these.

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Wouldn’t be surprised if you can’t even access Netflix from the browser like on the Quest 3 it doesn’t work out of the box.

What is kind of sad to me is that so many end users seem to be okay with lazy ports of an iPadOS app just floating on an virtual 2d screen. It’s basically the same thing just a little bigger, I don’t get it 🫠 at least on the Quest you get some truly adopted VR apps, taking advantage of the thing in your face.

Apple can really do the least and people still buy it 😵‍💫 but to each their own of course! It’s not my money
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Not according to Netflix.

"Our members will be able to enjoy Netflix on the web browser on the Vision Pro, similar to how our members can enjoy Netflix on Macs," a Netflix spokesperson told Gurman.
 
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contacos said:
Not sure that’s even a good thing. What dev will bother to develop anything made for the AVP in mind / from scratch
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The first iPad also ran all iPhone apps, too. It didn’t stop developers from releasing iPad versions. There is a difference between running an app and being optimized for the platform.
 
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desslr said:
Apple’s VR is dead on arrival.

This is a result of Apple’s poor relationship with app developers and competitors.

As we have now seen all the major companies Apple desperately needs are not only not developing for Vision Pro but are yanking their iPad versions from being compatible too.

I suspect their behaviour with the 27% third party app store fee this week has been the straw that broke the camels back.

Downvote me all you want but these are facts… they have no interest at all supporting Apple’s entry into another new category and continuing their market dominance and for once Apple needs them more than they need Apple.

Apple are screwed.
Vision Pro is dead on arrival.

Save this post and look at it again in two years time, then give me kudos
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You might be right, you might be wrong. You don’t know anything that Apple doesn’t know. I think they have a clear strategy, and I’m curious to see how it will play out. I suspect that Apple does not expect this particular iteration to sell like hotcakes, but that it sets a standard for app developers. Apple is introducing ‘spacial computing’ to pave the way for true (lighter) AR glasses down the road (5-10 years).
Apple might fail eventually, but ‘dead on arrival’ is premature.
 
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When the iPod was announced, people on this very forum said it would be a failure. While I don’t think the Vision Pro will be even close to the success of the iPod, I doubt it will be a failure.
 
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For example, the lack of external drive support for the iPad led me to subscribe to Dropbox and store all my files online. This would lead me to rethink the way I work, and eschew physical storage in favour of cloud storage. Which I find more convenient these days, but I might never have made the initial leap had the limitations of iOS not given me the kick I needed to rethink the way I did things.
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Another way of describing this is 'artificial and arbritrary limitations in my new devices meant I had to pay monthly and yearly fees to do what I used to do for free or for a one-time fee to buy storage I controlled'.
 
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antiprotest said:
From OP's bitter tone, I am guessing that he is a developer. Just a guess, though. In any case, I understand developers' frustration toward Apple, but I have little sympathy for many (most?) developers.

From the developers' viewpoint, Apple is screwing them. But from my viewpoint as a consumer, I think many developers are screwing us. Some of them do good work, charge fair prices, do not exploit (or better, do not use) the subscription model. Good. But many developers do not deserve to exist on the market.

"You don't understand how hard it is!" Well, I don't care. It's none of my business how hard it is for you. Make a good product that deserves the money you demand. Otherwise, to me you don't deserve to exist on the market, and I don't care what happens to you.

Downvote me all you want. Save this post and come back whenever you feel bewildered as to why no sympathy is given to you when you feel you are getting screwed by Apple.
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Just introduce developer license issued by government agencies before one can develop an app. Suddenly those who has a license has the means to develop good apps.
 
I was going to order yeaterday, I got up at 3 am and then changed my mind...No youtubes.....

Ill wait for reviews, a lot of reviews, its good it sold out
 
Abazigal said:
Is a workaround still a workaround if it ends up being a better experience than the default app experience?
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Just for the cloud storage thing, it is one thing to use cloud storage for multi device file access, it’s the other to store one’s entire life on cloud only. Your Data, your responsibility.

I consider it as someone weights the drawback not enough to outweighs its benefit and choose the alternative.
 
This isn’t how corporations work.

Corporations run using the principles of Realpolitik: they don’t have friends, they have interests. Concepts like morality or fairness, which you might use to judge individuals, don’t have any meaning at that level. They act based on practical considerations, rather than idealism.

For instance, despite their competition in other areas, Google pays Apple $18 billion per year to be the default search engine on the iPhone. And Apple accepts it, again despite Google being a competitor.

No doubt these companies will launch VR apps in time, but it’ll be driven by customer demand rather than Apple’s commission. That same commission applies on the iPhone and yet all of these companies have Apps and work around it in one way or another because there is significant commercial interest to doing so.
 
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desslr said:
Apple’s VR is dead on arrival.

This is a result of Apple’s poor relationship with app developers and competitors.

As we have now seen all the major companies Apple desperately needs are not only not developing for Vision Pro but are yanking their iPad versions from being compatible too.

I suspect their behaviour with the 27% third party app store fee this week has been the straw that broke the camels back.

Downvote me all you want but these are facts… they have no interest at all supporting Apple’s entry into another new category and continuing their market dominance and for once Apple needs them more than they need Apple.

Apple are screwed.
Vision Pro is dead on arrival.

Save this post and look at it again in two years time, then give me kudos
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This take is gonna age like a used condom. It’s starting out bad, and not gonna get any better
 
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