Sorry iPhone but I have to leave you

[kdarling]

How about if you don't like the phone you just don't buy it.

How about if people can't stand criticism of a piece of plastic and silicon (for goodness' sake), then they shouldn't buy pieces of plastic and silicon

No matter how "shiny" and popular they might be.

Just because a few whine on this forum doesn't mean the millions of other customers are unhappy.

Agreed, it doesn't mean millions are unhappy. Yet. Might just mean they're uninformed as to what other phones can do. That will eventually change.

They keep selling them so maybe they are right and the few who want the iPhone to be something else are wrong.

I think the main thing is, there's no perfect phone for everyone. But we all would like to see them get closer to perfection.

 

[Hutch1]

Yes that is a sound argument, the millions are wrong the few that whine are right, I guess they are just visionaries, ahead of their time.

Maybe those that are unhappy that it doesn't have a video camera, or MMS should have done a little research prior to purchasing a product that obviously doesn't meet their needs, or not have bought it to be part of the crowd.

Is it perfect, hell no, could it be better, sure. Will it be better, sure it will. After all Apples been in the cell phone business a whole two years.

The problem with thee whiners is basically the problem with society, everybody wants what they want and they want it now, maybe everyone should just learn to have a little patients, it a phone not a heart lung machine, there's lots to choose from if the iPhone doesn't meet your needs find one that does, just like the OP, but it really is unnecessary to tell us all about it.

 

[petvas]

I do not understand what is wrong with many of you people. Who is talking about whining here? I made this thread in order to discuss with you the missing features from iPhone that bother me. Is that so bad?
The iPhone is a really great device if the features I mentioned before are of no importance to you. Please don't start saying things like "the millions can't be wrong"....this is just ridiculous!
I lived with my iPhone since November 9th 2007 and I loved it as a device. It was the first "all in one" device I could actually use. I was so excited about it that I forgot about its weaknesses. After so many months the excitement is gone and the missing features made me make this decision. I didn't say that Windows Mobile is better than the iPhone OS. The contrary...The business features of Windows Mobile though are better than the ones found on the iPhone.
The multimedia features is where the iPhone really shines and as such is the best device on the world. That's why I am also buying an iPod Touch!!! Windows Mobile sucks in this area...
I do not mind having two devices...I always thought it works better than the all in one devices..Only the iPhone changed that for me but now it is time to go back to the roots. I really hope to see the iPhone get better, I will be following its development through my iPod Touch and maybe who knows, I will end up buying a new revision...
Please stop posting silly things. This is a forum for adults...At least that is what I thought

 

[scottnj1966]

We'll see about that! There is no device on the world that freezes all the time by default, only if there is a specific problem with it...I will say it again: The iPhone OS is superior and the user interface is really much better than everything else but the bottom line is what kind of applications a pda allows you to run and the HTC Touch allows me to have the apps I want. Its interface is not bad and on the stability front I do not expect major issues. I have been using many pocket pcs on the past and I know how they work..

Actually I just got rid of my htc att tilt. It has many issues because of htc's firmware updates. I loved it because I could add whatever I wanted and make it look like anything too, even an iphone. The problem is I had to always reboot once or twice a day.
I also had the cingular HTC smartphone. That also had many issues, they fixed some with a firmware update but caused even more. HTC only releases one, maybe two firmware updates then it is dead to them. That is my issue with that company.

Apple also has problems with they release a firmware update but you can always expect them to have another out soon to fix something again.

Now I sure wish they would open the phone up so we can do what we like. Its frustrating the phone cannot do many things locked up the way it is.
I guess its why everyone is starting to jailbreak them. I know I am close to making that decision.

 

[sn00pie]

I purchased a iPhone 8GB when they first came out. It was a great phone for a few weeks but from a business phone standpoint it just wasn't good enough for me.

It is each to his own. But I've found that for me, there is no substitute for a Blackberry phone. They're rock solid, they do absolutely everything and anything you need them to do.

Blackberry PIN is a godsend.

 

[kas23]

How about if you don't like the phone you just don't buy it.

This is a really, really tired and short-sighted argument. Everything doesn't have to be so black and white. You have to take the good with the bad with everything in life. They're called trade-offs or compromises. You weigh the pros and the cons and you make a decision as nothing is perfect. If every choice you have made results in only 100% absolute satisfaction, then you surely are missing out on what life really has to offer.

Apple also has problems with they release a firmware update but you can always expect them to have another out soon to fix something again.

Not exactly true. Firmware 2.2 broke the ability to save images from your e-mail - making them blurry upon saving them. The fix for this, firmware 2.2.1 didn't come so soon - it took over 2 months.

 

[ucfgrad93]

It's really hard to argue with your reasoning. Everything you said makes perfect sense. Most importantly, you state what you need out of a phone and the iPhone is just not cutting it for you. Nevertheless, you will get fanboys in here asking you why you decided to post this. Such is life...

Wait out for the Pre or go to the Android platform (it's really fantastic). Most likely, these will serve you much better.

Agreed. While the iPhone is a great phone, it certainly isn't perfect and if it doesn't fit your needs, then you'd be silly to keep it.

 

[Ninja Dom]

What's more important?

1) Having the functionality you need but in an operating environment that you don't really enjoy?

or

2) Not having all the functionality you need but working in a beautiful, smooth operating environment?

 

[Hutch1]

What's more important?

1) Having the functionality you need but in an operating environment that you don't really enjoy?

or

2) Not having all the functionality you need but working in a beautiful, smooth operating environment?

3) My iPhone as the functionality I need in a beautiful, smooth operating environment.

 

[drakeshipway]

Agreed 100%
Although I love my iPhone.

Nice post

 

[EB66]

i will totally agree that the reception on the iphone is not the greatest and that is the most frustrating part for me... especially since my dad has a freak razr and the thing gets service ANYWHERE!

 

[teiresias]

Yes that is a sound argument, the millions are wrong the few that whine are right, I guess they are just visionaries, ahead of their time.

Maybe those that are unhappy that it doesn't have a video camera, or MMS should have done a little research prior to purchasing a product that obviously doesn't meet their needs, or not have bought it to be part of the crowd.

Is it perfect, hell no, could it be better, sure. Will it be better, sure it will. After all Apples been in the cell phone business a whole two years.

The problem with thee whiners is basically the problem with society, everybody wants what they want and they want it now, maybe everyone should just learn to have a little patients, it a phone not a heart lung machine, there's lots to choose from if the iPhone doesn't meet your needs find one that does, just like the OP, but it really is unnecessary to tell us all about it.

Protect the hive!!! I'm a complete Apple user at home (have no choice about PC at work), but this kind of protectionist attitude to any kind of legitimate & productive criticism to an Apple product has always annoyed me.

Something tells me you have no objection to the thread titled "A friend just smashed their N95 against the wall...", and probably don't think it's unnecessary to tell us all about that - no doubt because it's about Nokia and not Apple.

 

[ehnnwhycee]

I have found this interesting review of the HTC Touch HD...The opinions expressed there are more or less the opinion that I have. I just decided to get the great media experience from an iPod Touch and for the rest I go with the HTC Touch. That way I get the best of both worlds and don't need to compromise...

http://mobiletechaddicts.com/2008/11/09/htc-touch-hd-review-2/

Im with you on the whole HTC thing. I'm actually considering getting the HTC Touch Pro2 when it comes out. Im just hoping it's going to be on ATT. I really like the Touch Pro2 and how it works with WinMo on Touch Flo 3D. Probably going to sell the 3G on ebay and get the Pro2. I'm just bored of the iPhone and sick of waiting, and waiting for the updates with the features I want and are in a basic phone. Any thoughts? lol

 

[petvas]

I just got both the HTC Touch HD and the iPod Touch. I am still setting up everything, I will post later what I think about this setup. I can now say that the iPod Touch is amazing.
The screen on the HTC Touch HD is fantastic, the sensitivity though cannot be compared with the iPhone's...

 

[ehnnwhycee]

Yeah I wouldn't think the screens sensitivity on the htc would match iPhones..how much did you get the touch HD for? Is WinMo finger friendly on it?

 

[Ol3s]

The iPhone is the best phone ever (for me). All I actually use is Phone, Safari, iPod and appstore. But honestly by functionality the iPhone is not good (just like the ipod), the attractive thing is the interface. Compared to 2005's nokia N70, which i had, it is bad, the only reason i got the iphone was when some of the body of the phone started falling off (right now i am having a similar problem with the black part of my iphone). Anyway the point is that the iphone is not attractive for functionality I mean my n70 does more, it is attractive for interface.

 

[harry454]

best of luck on finding a new phone, I have similar freezing slow downs problem on my 1st gen, I think its because of too many apps

 

[petvas]

Yeah I wouldn't think the screens sensitivity on the htc would match iPhones..how much did you get the touch HD for? Is WinMo finger friendly on it?

I got it for 600€

It is really finger friendly, there are very few things you can only do with a stylus. I have to say that I don't find stylus to be bad. I like it actually...It is not always good to only have to use your fingers, especially in situations where they are not very clean and you have to touch the screen..

 

[ehnnwhycee]

I got it for 600€

It is really finger friendly, there are very few things you can only do with a stylus. I have to say that I don't find stylus to be bad. I like it actually...It is not always good to only have to use your fingers, especially in situations where they are not very clean and you have to touch the screen..

Yeah that's true, but wow that's a lot of money..I'm hoping the touch pro2 is nowhere near as much..I'll just have to wait until Q2 2009 to find out lol..I'm so used to the whole interface being finger touch, oh well..

 

[Hutch1]

Protect the hive!!! I'm a complete Apple user at home (have no choice about PC at work), but this kind of protectionist attitude to any kind of legitimate & productive criticism to an Apple product has always annoyed me.

Something tells me you have no objection to the thread titled "A friend just smashed their N95 against the wall...", and probably don't think it's unnecessary to tell us all about that - no doubt because it's about Nokia and not Apple.

Actually smashing the N95 is stupid too, it's a perfectly good device. I have Motorolas, a Blackberry, PC's ( I really like my LG X110 netbook), setting up a Linux machine right now, I've had Samsung's, Nokia's, and Sanyo's. I have no vested interest in Apple.

The silly thing is the fact that people continue to complain about things they either knew or should have known about with regards to short comings of the iPhone.

For one if I was using a smart phone for business and need reliable, relatively secured email I'd choose a Blackberry, that's what it's strong feature is.

If I need a rugged cell phone I'd buy one of the Rugged models from Motorola or others.

I want a great media device with great web browsing capabilities I get an iPhone.

Complaints about things that are wrong with the iPhone are totally reasonable, cracks, broken switches, software glitches and such. But complaining about MMS, lack of video and such is stupid.

 

[MacNoobie]

Before you start flaming me, I just want to say that I believe that the iPhone is the most revolutionary device ever made and it will be always be ahead of its competition.

Having said that there are some things that I have been trying to avoid but can't seem to be able to manage that:

• The performance of my iPhone in areas where the signal is weak or even non existent. Almost everything on the iPhone is slower in such cases. When I sit in the train and want to use my iPhone, the device behaves really slow and hangs a lot. Turning on flight mode solves the issue...
• The PIM applications on the iPhone are really very weak. I want to be able to manage my digital life from my pda. This isn't really possible with the default applications. One could say, where is the problem? Just buy other PIMs for the iPhone...Apple has made that impossible. They deny access to the PIM Databases, thus making development of good PIMs like Pocket Informant very difficult, because these apps have to use other means of syncing the information (Google Cal for example). I want to be able to use Pocket Informant or Agenda One, being able to link contacts to tasks, appointments, assigning categories, using tasks (which the iPhone doesn't have by default). Nobody knows when Apple will allow access to the PIM databases of the iPhone
• Notifications: I want to be notified when a task is due. Even downloading one of the million Task applications, this is just not possible...
• Skype: Skype 2.5 for Windows Mobile just went gold...There is no equivalent for the iPhone, due to limitations set by Apple.
• Mobile browsing: At the moment there are devices which use Mobile Opera and have a resolution of 800x480. The browsing experience is at least as good as on the iPhone plus the fact that you get the enhanced resolution.
• Multitasking: Many times when I work on the iPhone I find it really frustrating because of the lack of multitasking between third party apps...I have a nice example for you:
  I want to lookup sth on 1Password in order to type it on Safari. I open 1Password, type my password and then I search for the info I need. Because Apple has made it almost impossible for developers to use and access a browser properly, many websites do not work correctly in 1Password. I lookup my password and then I have to exit 1Password, go to Safari and type my password. The problem is that if I forget the password while I am typing it, I have to go back to 1Password. Because the app was closed before (due to the lack of true multitasking), I have to type my password again, search for the info again, and then go to Safari, open the site again and type the password, hoping this time that I won't forget it! Of course that could be solved really easy...COPY PASTE....

Ok, and now what? I decided to get an HTC Touch HD as a mobile phone. I know, it uses Windows Mobile which more or less sucks, but it will give me the applications I really want to have.
I can't completely give up on Apple though...so I ordered an iPod Touch! That way I am getting the best touch interface available, plus all the multimedia features of the iPod that noone can beat. The iPod touch is really a great device and I can't wait to get it.

So the idea of jailbreaking the phone, installing Clippy for copy & past support as well as backgrounder for running 2 apps at the same time never really came up then? It sucks that Apple couldn't do it to start with but it IS possible on the iPhone if the information was seek'd.

I cant comment on the lack of strong signal and slowdown of the phone to which I'm not sure if you mean the phone as a whole runs slower or when you're accessing simple things such as weather or stock data aka the app seems slow because the phone is having to retransmit data constantly.

I was about to say check out some of the PIM applications on Cydia as not being bound by Apple's retarded SDK limitations really opens up a lot in the way of apps so you might find something like Pocket Informant that you'd like.

Same with notifications there are addons that can show you missed calls/appointments/tasks/emails/sms etc on the lock screen and in the status bar if you wanted, again sucks that you have to jailbreak the phone to gain these simple features.

Uhh yeah there isn't Skype on the phone but there is Fring and Nimbuzz to which support Skype to Skype and in Frings case Skype Out calls too. Combine those with the VoIP over 3G addon in Cydia and you can do skype over 3G instead of just WiFi.

Mobile browsing is pretty top notch on the iPhone I couldn't imagine why you'd need 800x480 on such a small screen with a small screen pitch?

So now there's two devices to enjoy the benefits of one

 

[emotion]

I'm almost in the same position as the OP.

I'm considering an Android as my next phone having owned my iPhone (Rev A) since day one.

Bundled in with my lack of satisfaction with the iPhone (for all the usual reasons I might add) is:

- My disappointment with .mac/MobileMe (I'm in Europe, it's a lot slower here than US). I don't like the tie-in either and will probably move all my tools to Google.
- O2 providing a below par service/coverage.
- of all the iPhone limitations poor call quality ranks highly.

I'm waiting another 6 months before making a firm decision though.

Until then for PIM duties I now use Toodledo which I can access from all my devices.

 

[TechJunky]

So, basically, you decided to get a different phone, and carry two devices, because you don't want to jailbreak. I know you don't want to "spend time hacking", but seriously, all you have to do is set it up, and leave it. It's really not a lot of work. Keeping up with 2 devices is.

 

[petvas]

So, basically, you decided to get a different phone, and carry two devices, because you don't want to jailbreak. I know you don't want to "spend time hacking", but seriously, all you have to do is set it up, and leave it. It's really not a lot of work. Keeping up with 2 devices is.

There are many more advantages when having two devices. You never have to worry about battery life since you balance the tasks between the two devices. The other advantage is that you get the best from both worlds. I have been using my HTC Touch for the last two days and while it is not as user friendly as the iPhone, and the touch screen sensitivity isn't that good, the options I have and the programs I use make it worth it. The device is fast and works stable (for now at least).
On the other side, that way I got to use the iPod Touch. A really great device. Faster than the iPhone and so thin, you can barely believe it...

Jailbreak isn't for me..I can very easy do it but I have serious doubts in the quality of applications written for jailbroken devices. I also do not want to worry if my apps will stop working when a new firmware becomes available...

 

[petvas]

Ok, I have been using the HTC Touch HD and the iPod Touch for the last two days and I would like to post my first impressions, especially about the HTC Touch.
The screen isn't as sensitive as the iPhone's and if someone is used on the iPhone then that could be a problem. This is definitive a point for the iPhone.
Google Maps works much better and faster on the HTC Touch. It is more accurate and it finds my location almost in realtime. Much better.

Using the HTC Touch HD is a different experience. It is not something that works without any customization and that is the power of the iPhone: It just works! After customizing the HTC Touch and installing a couple of tools, I am extremely happy with it! Of course I understand that this is not something that everybody would like to do...I don't mind it...

The browser experience...The iPhone is the winner here but the HTC Touch is a close second. No problems here.
I enjoy multitasking on the HTC Touch and full PIM support...
I don't use it for photos and music..That is why I have the iPod Touch!

The battery life of the HTC Touch is so much better than the iPhone's!!!
Overall I am very happy with my new setup.