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Sounds like you may not have a clue here. They are not going to ban Google and Apple from offering their service of IAP. They are going to ban them from making it the only option. Big difference.

never said they're banning it.

nice of you to put words in my mouth.
 
did you read the article? they can still use the app store in-app purchases. this just gives the freedom to use other means if you don't want to share your hard earned money with a 2 trillion dollar company...
Right, but what happens when all the big players revoke their app from the App Store to avoid the 15% fee and it becomes as baren as the Mac App Store? Then where will the money come from to support the indie devs who rely on the App Store services?
 
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I can play that game too. Reasonable reply to your tweet. You're trying to tell us 2T apple dosnt do what you just did in your reply to me which is break down the costs of operating their app store to see if its profitable to run? Pardon me I had to laugh at that.😂


read the reply below that.

regardless, i don't understand your argument. if you're saying Apple did do the analysis, they are legally required to hand over the evidence to Epic.
 
All I want is a way to sideload apps. Dont care if Apple takes 30% of revenue from purchases on their app store.
Agree 100%. I don't care either who makes the money. I just want to be able to upload what I want without Apple having to make moral decisions on it or in other cases even if they think it might be bad for their future business interest.
 
It is not a problem with the business model but a choice as to where generated funds come from.

Low dev account cost balanced by IAP profits from free apps

Vs

High dev account cost and low or no IAP profits from apps that have a cost

Consumers will pay the same, only larger devs like Epic will profit.

So?

Why should Apple only get to profit? Why not Epic? Or PayPal? Or WeChat Pay? AliPay?

To have a low $99 Dev program, Apple's business model relies on income from in-app purchases. It's the whole inkjet printer or razor blade business model all over again. It's flawed and shouldn't rely on long arm revenue.
 
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Right, but what happens when all the big players revoke their app from the App Store to avoid the 15% fee and it becomes as baren as the Mac App Store? Then where will the money come from to support the indie devs who rely on the App Store services?

I couldn't care less about any AppStore. iOS devs should enjoy the same privileges as macOS devs. That means they should be able to sell their app directly to the user instead of being an apple contract employee. They should have the freedom to choose another AppStore not connected to apple or remain in the apple store and continue to allow apple to syphon off their money. A two trillion dollar company nickel and diming small devs that are struggling to turn a profit is disgusting.

Apple: We will require $100 from you before you can release your app.
Dev: but my app only costs 99 cents. I will need to sell 100 of them just to break even.
Apple: No, you actually need to sell 118 of them because we are also taking 15%..
 
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They will lower the prices to stay competitive against other apps.

most of the app store money comes from freemium IAP. average consumer does not know what the price of each microtransaction before using the app. also it's impossible for the customer to accurately compare prices since the content you receive from each microtransaction are not easily comparable to a competitor's microtransaction.
 
Those who've used Android devices.

Its one of the things that keeps me on Android for my phone. I use the Amazon appstore.
Power to you. I use an iPhone partly because there are no other stores and everything is simple and safe. Why should my system be forbidden? There obviously is a choice.
 
So?

Why should Apple only get to profit? Why not Epic? Or PayPal? Or WeChat Pay? AliPay?

Apple is not the only one to profit!!! Developers still get 70%. Do you really want to trust each individual developer to find a reputable system to charge you for IAP? At the rate businesses get hacked I would really prefer that Apple was handling it. That is not to say that Apple can't get hacked but it would be harder to hack them versus some homegrown IAP payment system.

Do you really care if it is Apple or PayPal? And no thanks to WeChat or AliPay, hard pass.
 
If the app is on your store then I think having them forced to use your in-app purchasing system is okay. But they should allow other app stores to be made.
If you buy an electric toothbrush in Walmart, they don’t force you to buy brush heads there, do they?
 
Listen to the (old) Macrumor comments, have the "courage"! Pull out of the South Korean Market! It is Apple's App Store, Apple's iPhone, they can do whatever they want. /s
 
Apple is not the only one to profit!!! Developers still get 70%. Do you really want to trust each individual developer to find a reputable system to charge you for IAP? At the rate businesses get hacked I would really prefer that Apple was handling it. That is not to say that Apple can't get hacked but it would be harder to hack them versus some homegrown IAP payment system.

It's a choice many people would like to make rather than assume all developers and payment platforms are incompetent or full of risks.
 
I'm siding less and less with Apple on this.

Many payment providers support integration into systems/websites/apps (via an internet API), so Apple could easily support multiple payment providers through the App Store, but then the developer needs to be charged a fee for that ability up-front. It can't be free. And payment can't be handled entirely in an outside system, because them how will Apple know that a payment has been completed to release the app or in-app purchase to the consumer?

Unless done right, it will become very messy for users, more messy than many ad-supported apps currently are.

Apple is not wrong ... trust will degrade. The motivation can't be to bypass the 15-30% fee. Apple just needs to recuperate (at least part of) that revenue in another way directly from the developers. There's a cost for Apple regardless of how payments are processed by apps.
Why would Apple need to release anything? It’s the app handling transactions, validations and fulfilment. Apple is the third party here. App is the first party, user is the second party.

Here come the 90's, where you have to type in your credit card into 900 different apps and never know if your data is safe
You can pay more to use Apple’s IAP system for convenience. Just like those fee based ATMs.

All I want is a way to sideload apps. Dont care if Apple takes 30% of revenue from purchases on their app store.
Side loading without signing certificate enforcement can create a piracy and mod issue though.
 
Don't compare it with malls. It's a computing platform and it should be free as windows and macos are. We don't need apple as the gatekeeper to download our software. We deserve lower prices for software. Apple makes enough money from selling the phones at a premium anyway.
Outside of games and productivity those ecosystems barely have robust apps
 
It's a choice many people would like to make rather than assume all developers and payment platforms are incompetent or full of risks.

It's also a choice some don't want to have to make. I for one like things just the way they are and so do a large number of others. It is frustrating on my Mac when I want an app but it is not available on the store, how do I know how reputable their payment system is? In most cases you don't even know who they are using! At least when things are curated in the Apple app stores I can feel more confident that the payment systems are secure. Nothing is guaranteed in life but I sure trust Apple more than some unnamed independent or the CCP.
 
The push for third party app stores largely comes from CCP backed groups, as the CCP wants to lock the App Store out and force a Party-controlled one on Chinese iPhones.



The App Store has largely crushed profit margins for most software. Not sure how you expect things to go lower.
The fact that people think this will lead to lower prices is comical
 
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