Originally posted by McToast
Well could be worse I suppose. He could have called you unpatriotic.
no- unpatriotic is when you criticize bush- come on you should know that!
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no- unpatriotic is when you criticize bush- come on you should know that!
Originally posted by McToast
Well could be worse I suppose. He could have called you unpatriotic.
Apparently I now have "communist tendencies," which is a code-word for being un-American that I thought had gone out with old Tail Gunner Joe. I think somebody needs to cut down on their diet of talk radio, because they're losing their grip on reality.
You are very correct in both points. Tort reform is very necessary. We don't need doctors quiting thier practices due to unafforadble insurance costs. Imagine if we could sue for millions when the cable company messes up your bill, (I, for one, would be rich), everyone is human, an unless there is gross negligence on the part of the physican, there is little reason for six figure litigation suits.
Per. Drugs also seem to cost more than they should. While I do not know what is spent on R&D, I do know that economically it is possible to lower the price of a product, and sell more, yet still make the same amount of profit. However, I am not sure if these economies of scale are present with controlled substances.
If you were to break down the overall cost of healthcare, my guess is that the insurance your doctor pays and the cost of the prescribed drugs, and the cost of med. equipment are near the majority of all bills.
Originally posted by idkew
no- unpatriotic is when you criticize bush- come on you should know that!
It's unpatriotic to criticize the president huh? Well, he's eroded the seperation of church and state and everything else, why should free speech be sacred?
and you need to move out of the 50's. notice how i excluded the russian and chinese ways of communism. i just love how you continue to put words in poeple's mouths. do you even know the defnition of communism?
It occurs to me that profits could be lowered and still the drugs would get produced. Low profit is still profit. If drug companies claim they cannot produce drugs for low profit, that is simple greed.
Ok, but you really should know better than to throw the word communist around in a political debate. That word has been used to ruin peoples lives before, so don't be too surprised when the target of it takes offence. I'm sure you wouldn't have reacted too well if someone had called you a terrorist. And I do mean the nicest kind of terrorist, not like those al Qaeda ones.
Just pick a different word next time huh?
Originally posted by mactastic
Ok, but you really should know better than to throw the word communist around in a political debate. That word has been used to ruin peoples lives before, so don't be too surprised when the target of it takes offence. I'm sure you wouldn't have reacted too well if someone had called you a terrorist. And I do mean the nicest kind of terrorist, not like those al Qaeda ones.
Just pick a different word next time huh?
yeah, i understand what you mean, and that is why i threw in the non-soviet part. but, what other word describes the belief in the good of the whole over the good of the person, but still reatins a bit of political beliefs? humanitarian is close, but does not convey political belief very strongly...
IOW, your intention was to derail the discussion by offering up a vague and unsubstantiated insult instead responding to the question at hand.
walmart is evil. i don't feel like finding the link, but they purposefully make it hard for their employees to get HC.
but- on the bright side, if you look at individual stores, WallyWorld is not doing that great. Each store has a few good years, then sales start to decline.
I hope that WallyWorld goes under. They bully manufacturers too much, and in the long run, I believe, WW is bad for the economy.
to counter this statement, can you find me any studies on people who can not afford healthcare? do they smoke? do they have cable? do they drive an suv? do they have things they can't afford?
not all people spend their HC dollars on other things, but I have got to wonder if there is a signifigant amount of people who put healthcare second to their tv watching, smoking, drinking, and image (suv, designer clothing, jewelry...) Not to mention, those who are spending quite a bit a month of cigarettes are making their, and my, HC costs rise.
many people do not want to take responsibility for their actions and want to blame others for not being able to afford things. could this be a similar situation?
That's not a practical question, it's a philosophical one. It's a simple yes or no type of thing. If you can't afford a procedure needed to save you life, do you deserve to live or not?
but you are not getting my point. i am asking if there are people out there who CAN afford HC, but prefer to spend this money sleswhere for "Wants" and then complain that they can not afford healthcare. I am not debating that there are poeple out there who, no matter what, can not afford HC.
maybe a type of "WELLfare" is needed. the government can look at gross income, and decide if you can not afford private heathcare. if this is the case, you may then join a federally subsidized HC system where you only pay say, $600 a year (or maybe a need based amount), instead of $1200+...
i am open to any solution BUT nationalized HC.
i am open to any solution BUT nationalized HC.
I'll deal with the point you raise later. In the meantime you are ignoring my philosophical question.
I don't. I feel your previous post insinuates that all those who can't afford HC are too stupid to budget correctly, or to lazy to work hard enough to afford it. Which is a point you got very upset with me for associating with you earlier in this thread.
Let's try again.
If, through no fault of your own, you find yourself in a situation where money can save your life and you have no money do you deserve to die?