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Split View and Side-By Side has to have Safari in it?
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Well, if you wish to say to the world that the way Apple's OSX and Msoft's Windows, and I'm guessing Linux etc is "Stupid" then that's your prerogative and you are entitled to that opinion.
I'm simply saying on an iPad, when the screen is split, I would like both sides to be fully independent, in the same way they would be on a real computer, so it's up to the user, if they wish to have both things at once, or mute either side, or stop either side.
Just true multitasking with both sides independent, like, as I say on a PC, Max or Linux machine.
Not a lot to ask is it?
Quite to the contrary, I even posted a video of FaceTime and a movie playing which operates identically to OS X. Then described the methods Safari in OS X are using to operate much the same way iOS currently does with split view.
I can understand your point of letting the user decide how to operate it but if the only reason is for bragging rights, "look I can play two videos at the same time, sure the audio is unintelligible and my eyes can literally only focus on one but it can do it!" then kudos to Apple for making it more user friendly and automatically pausing one.
I would understand if there was a decent use for such a feature but being disappointed about something your brain and senses are ill equipped to comprehend?
Thanks
I have to be honest......
Rather than Apple "messing around" I simply wish, given the iPad Air 2's power, and the forthcoming PRO, they would simply allow the split screen to be true Both at the same time functionality.
Not that you would wish to do it, but if you wanted to play two videos side by side and have both audio streams mixed, then it SHOULD WORK and just leave it up to the user to mute or do whatever.
As I say we're only talking about 2 things at the same time, which is not a lot given the devices power, and mixing the sound, like on a Mac or PC should just work and leave the user to mute whichever side as they wish.
Just keep is simple
I'm glad Apple isn't allowing it. Like you said, nobody would want to do it anyway.
It's quite simple really.
Just make the 2 sides independent and allow the user to decide.
If I was the programmer of the system, there is no way I could know what you, a lady in China, a boy in India, a man in Iceland wished to do with the split screen and which programs they wished to use on both sides.
Any restriction I put into place is going to be a guess on my part, and could well be detrimental to what any one of these people wished to do, now or into the future with any apps that are out there now, or which will be created into the future.
I as the programmer do not have a crystal ball and I cannot guess future people's needs.
Hence, simply, as on a real computer, make both sides/panes properly independent and allow the user at the time, in the future, running whatever apps, he/she wishes to run, make that choice of what THEY want and what's best for them at that future moment in time.
I cannot see anyway that anything other than that is better for anyone.
The only reason I would have to put such restrictions into place would be if the machine was so underpowered that it was not possible for it to do this.
Hence, on an old iPad I can understand the restriction. However on todays machine I don't see such a thing can be justified.
I can think of a zillion reasons to have two apps access audio playback at the same time. This has very little to do with just running two videos at the same time. Even if the apps are just providing audio feedback in the form of occasional blips.
I understand that this is something that is possible and could be programmed that way. The point I was making is it serves no purpose.
We have to keep two things in mind here. First and foremost, THIS ISNT NEW! Since the early days of playing music and videos on iPods and iPhones the video in the foreground pauses the music in the background. So why is the suddenly a problem.
Secondly, this isn't an Apple restriction. Not only do all mobile OS manufactures do this, Apple wasn't the first. The Surface is an exception because its basically a Windows laptop minus keyboard. I'd compare that more to a Macbook as far as functionality goes.
We've already established that the "occasional blip" of sound works fine. And we are discussing two videos playing.
Also like I mentioned this isn't anything new. Take a device without side view or pip (any device not just an iOS device). Play music, then play a video, the music pauses. So why is this suddenly a problem, its been that way since the inception of mobile OS's.
I am curious though. Can you give an example of when you would want two audio tracks playing at this same time?
For the life of me I can't think of ANYTHING. But maybe I just can't come up with anything because I'm narrow-minded.
EDIT: NEVERMIND...Playing Alice and Wonderland with Pink Floyd audio overlapping!! (sigh)
It's relevant because of multitasking being promised here. I don't think it's going to affect me much personally, but being able to stream a video in one window and still hear all the background audio in a game seems like a pretty useful thing to be able to do.
I agree I wouldn't care to watch two videos and hear both tracks simultaneously.
I agree I wouldn't care to watch two videos and hear both tracks simultaneously.
You did also saw my post with a photo and description and this post from littelsquidge which described/showed (photo/video) exactly that. Good that you now know how it works.
It's indeed odd that Apple doesn't give us the option yet to have two Safari browsers open at the same time. You can however use another 3rd party browser instead.
More and more apps support the features. See a nice list here.
There is another 3rd party browser which already has this feature so you can use Safari and browser at the same time with this other 3rd party browser.
Guys, I wanted to chime in. When I first got the Mini 4, with IOS 9 build 340 GM, I tried the PiP function. I went to website with an embedded YouTube clip. Played it, unlocked it from website to the normal IOS video player using the new PiP mode.
I then went and loaded Beach Buggy Blitz Racing the older version that has not been updated in awhile in the app store. The game loaded and I swore the audio in game was working while it was the top window or the main app in the list of multitasking or being prioritized. Video was still in a box small, using PiP mode (Safari still had to be loaded in background with the website up inside of it).
While playing the game and hearing all audio from the game to include music and sound effects, video in small PiP box was playing with the audio as well.
The glitch or bug is if somehow with two different apps either using true split screen multitasking mode, or just the slide over thing, THEN you use the PiP mode audio does get messed up and only goes to one instance or app at the top of the list in OS background for priority instead of playing all of them or having a choice to decide which app and audio can be used or heard for one or all apps... I think its a bug/glitch or kink that hopefully Apple will fix.
Now really I do not want to play my game with audio, here a video with audio, then listen to music and a podcast with boring vocals, all at the same time.
Playing a game and hearing a video clip audio with different levels of volume would be awesome; besides it does work at all is cool. Playing two videos at once in split screen multi task mode and or PiP and that would be cool and ok but does not work yet. Listening to a shoutcast music stream with the free radio tuner app and playing my game so i can listen to better music to get more into my game would be cool. (I have not tested that yet). Listening to podcast while gaming or watching video would be cool.
Truly to summarize, Apple and IOS9 is an attempt to catch up to Android, Samsung and what Windows can do.
Here is REAL multitasking..
I loaded up WARFACE (pc game I hate now, fremium) in Windows 7 64 bit using realtek newest audio chip built in sound on intel z97 gigabyte motherboard with 4 real core processor no HT. Using Nvidia 960 gpu with 2 gigs of video ram, system has 8 gigs of ram.
Got into game, even to play coop mode, you have to have a set amount of players in a channel for the map to be loaded or you got to wait all day and cant play. Well I kind of cheated on that front.
While that was all going, alt tab out of the game to Windows 7 desktop.
Loaded VMWARE Player emulating my complete hardware setup minus 2-4 gigs of ram and only using 2 cores instead of four and ran a virtual machine using Windows 8.1 update 3 full screen with emulated hardware enabled gpu graphics ultimately cutting in half all of my physical hardware, so it runs one physical machine and an OS and a virtual machine.
I am of course using SSD's so even with Windows 7 on real hardware and a game going, in my VM machine using WIN 8, it booted being emulated in 15 seconds to desktop. Loaded up Warface complete different install under VM machine, got in the game with a separate account, got into same coop map level channel so we had enough players to play game.
AUDIO was playing whole time with all OS audio as well and from the game on physical machine in windows 7 and VM machine in windows 8. I was able to alt tab from VM full screen in game playing it to my Windows 7 physical system and play that account back and forth.
Playing same game with two accounts, one fake, one real machine, all audio hardware enabled and accessible, video from good gpu enabled via hardware for both machines and accessible at same time, ram, cpu, resources and SSD's.
In essence two computers being multitask-ed together from same single physical hardware at once. Heck If I had more real cores and ram (do have 16gb ram kit sitting here collecting dust) and more powerful GPU or GPU'S in SLI, I could have ran 2-4 Virtual machines in background while I used physical machine in foreground while gpu, cpu, ram and audio and file system are all load balanced and shared with direct access amongst everything.
NOW THAT IS MULTITASKING; you can do this with VMWARE Fusion or ESXI or windows OS implementation. VMWARE Player is for home use and works great, I can play myself at an online video game and both of them were getting high FPS sharing the same mid grade GPU at hardware level at a resolution of 1920x1080p. It does not get more real or fun than that for when your crazy into multitasking. (also shared the same network card with the same latency to game server and speeds)
So Apple has some learning and catching up to do if they want it on a mobile platform because Samsung, Android are already doing it. Of course it eats and drains battery even in standby with screen off but they figured it out.
From my examples with my machine and VM's, all audio was heard and of course could be enabled, disabled, you could choose which one to turn on or off and same goes with multitasking apps in windows os. Not sure if Android gives you that flexibility or Touch Wiz when it comes to multitasking..
Food for thought..
Good luck to Apple, wish they would have completed their futuristic idea instead of giving us some of the functionality which is having bugs and glitches while in use. This is inside of their own OS with their Apps. When developers get on board updating to IOS9 and enabling the same functions, either they will work better or because of issues inside OS itself, crash as well from the same bugs and glitches...
At hardware level, Windows tablets using 64bit weak atom cpu and 2 gigs of ram is still able to do true multitasking, its just slow as heck. It does work though to include audio and volume and everything else. Heck you can even run a VM on one!
I then went and loaded Beach Buggy Blitz Racing the older version that has not been updated in awhile in the app store. The game loaded and I swore the audio in game was working while it was the top window or the main app in the list of multitasking or being prioritized. Video was still in a box small, using PiP mode (Safari still had to be loaded in background with the website up inside of it).
While playing the game and hearing all audio from the game to include music and sound effects, video in small PiP box was playing with the audio as well.
The glitch or bug is if somehow with two different apps either using true split screen multitasking mode, or just the slide over thing, THEN you use the PiP mode audio does get messed up and only goes to one instance or app at the top of the list in OS background for priority instead of playing all of them or having a choice to decide which app and audio can be used or heard for one or all apps... I think its a bug/glitch or kink that hopefully Apple will fix.
Now really I do not want to play my game with audio, here a video with audio, then listen to music and a podcast with boring vocals, all at the same time.
Playing a game and hearing a video clip audio with different levels of volume would be awesome; besides it does work at all is cool. Playing two videos at once in split screen multi task mode and or PiP and that would be cool and ok but does not work yet. Listening to a shoutcast music stream with the free radio tuner app and playing my game so i can listen to better music to get more into my game would be cool. (I have not tested that yet). Listening to podcast while gaming or watching video would be cool.
Truly to summarize, Apple and IOS9 is an attempt to catch up to Android, Samsung and what Windows can do.
Here is REAL multitasking..
I loaded up WARFACE (pc game I hate now, fremium) in Windows 7 64 bit using realtek newest audio chip built in sound on intel z97 gigabyte motherboard with 4 real core processor no HT. Using Nvidia 960 gpu with 2 gigs of video ram, system has 8 gigs of ram.
Got into game, even to play coop mode, you have to have a set amount of players in a channel for the map to be loaded or you got to wait all day and cant play. Well I kind of cheated on that front.
While that was all going, alt tab out of the game to Windows 7 desktop.
Loaded VMWARE Player emulating my complete hardware setup minus 2-4 gigs of ram and only using 2 cores instead of four and ran a virtual machine using Windows 8.1 update 3 full screen with emulated hardware enabled gpu graphics ultimately cutting in half all of my physical hardware, so it runs one physical machine and an OS and a virtual machine.
I am of course using SSD's so even with Windows 7 on real hardware and a game going, in my VM machine using WIN 8, it booted being emulated in 15 seconds to desktop. Loaded up Warface complete different install under VM machine, got in the game with a separate account, got into same coop map level channel so we had enough players to play game.
AUDIO was playing whole time with all OS audio as well and from the game on physical machine in windows 7 and VM machine in windows 8. I was able to alt tab from VM full screen in game playing it to my Windows 7 physical system and play that account back and forth.
Playing same game with two accounts, one fake, one real machine, all audio hardware enabled and accessible, video from good gpu enabled via hardware for both machines and accessible at same time, ram, cpu, resources and SSD's.
In essence two computers being multitask-ed together from same single physical hardware at once. Heck If I had more real cores and ram (do have 16gb ram kit sitting here collecting dust) and more powerful GPU or GPU'S in SLI, I could have ran 2-4 Virtual machines in background while I used physical machine in foreground while gpu, cpu, ram and audio and file system are all load balanced and shared with direct access amongst everything.
NOW THAT IS MULTITASKING; you can do this with VMWARE Fusion or ESXI or windows OS implementation. VMWARE Player is for home use and works great, I can play myself at an online video game and both of them were getting high FPS sharing the same mid grade GPU at hardware level at a resolution of 1920x1080p. It does not get more real or fun than that for when your crazy into multitasking. (also shared the same network card with the same latency to game server and speeds)
So Apple has some learning and catching up to do if they want it on a mobile platform because Samsung, Android are already doing it. Of course it eats and drains battery even in standby with screen off but they figured it out.
From my examples with my machine and VM's, all audio was heard and of course could be enabled, disabled, you could choose which one to turn on or off and same goes with multitasking apps in windows os. Not sure if Android gives you that flexibility or Touch Wiz when it comes to multitasking..
Food for thought..
Good luck to Apple, wish they would have completed their futuristic idea instead of giving us some of the functionality which is having bugs and glitches while in use. This is inside of their own OS with their Apps. When developers get on board updating to IOS9 and enabling the same functions, either they will work better or because of issues inside OS itself, crash as well from the same bugs and glitches...
At hardware level, Windows tablets using 64bit weak atom cpu and 2 gigs of ram is still able to do true multitasking, its just slow as heck. It does work though to include audio and volume and everything else. Heck you can even run a VM on one!
The Surface has a DESKTOP OS. That's the difference. Even on Samsung's split screen function on phones and tablets, when you play sound on one screen, the other mutes. It just makes sense for a MOBILE OS.
I'd argue it's good design regardless of type of OS. I hate when some ad opens up in a window in the background just to mess up what I'm listening to.
I disagree on that. There is plenty of times I listen to audio from multiple sources on a desktop os. For example, I often listen to music on low volume while video Skyping someone. Or watching a live NFL game from my sling box and playing a youtube video at the same time. It's not hard to do those things when one source volume is much lower than the other.
But for a mobile os, it's different.
I kind of wish there was a switch for either mobile or desktop for that sort of thing, to be honest. Maybe that will be the future. Like I said, those ads annoy me.