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Except if you want a hamburger you have limitless restaurants. If you want an iOS app, you have one store.
If you want another Burger, you go to another restaurant.

if you want another app, you go to another platform (Android, Linux etc)

you don’t go to MacDonalds and ask for a Whopper. What other option do I have if I want a Big Mac? None…I’m stuck with MacDonalds.
 
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If you want smartphone apps you have at least android as an alternative. If you buy an iPhone you know you have to get your apps from the app store. Been that way for more than a decade.

The analogy with McDonalds is somewhat accurate. You don’t get to walk into a Burger King and order a Big Mac, unless you’re Chuck Norris.
These are such silly analogies, I don’t have to buy something in advance (like an iPhone) before I choose to wander into my burger joint of choice and can swap and choose as a like forever more. However, once a choose an iPhone I no longer have choice, whilst ever I own it, I eat in only one place and pay whatever they charge.
 
Dear Spotify,

You can always come up with your own platform and make the rules. Oh wait, you can't. Too bad for you. What the hell do these companies even want? They are on the App Store so they either play by the rules or they can get the hell out of there and go create their own platforms.

It's completely logical that Apple wants Apple users to primarily use Apple Music and not Spotify, which is why they will never change this. Other companies wouldn't either if they were in Apple's position.
Outside of the US I think Spotify is far more popular than Apple Music and that slight premium in cost is well worth it. Hopefully the fact Spotify has a much better interface will continue to attract users despite Apple Music being cheaper.
 
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I didn’t say Spotify invented music streaming, I said they created a streaming service. Innovation means something better? well to me Apple Music is not better than Spotify. They are both the same. I don’t see innovation, they both provide music.

Apple just wishes they had come up with Apple Music and Apple TV+ much earlier so they could block Netflix and Spotify the way they are blocking Microsoft’s xCloud now that they have Apple Arcade. They would say some ******** of having to approve Netflix content in the AppStore.
You may believe all that but it doesn’t make it remotely true.
 
These are such silly analogies, I don’t have to buy something in advance (like an iPhone) before I choose to wander into my burger joint of choice and can swap and choose as a like forever more. However, once a choose an iPhone I no longer have choice, whilst ever I own it, I eat in only one place and pay whatever they charge.
You absolutely have choice. Apple tells you up front how the iPhone works. It’s not remotely surprising that the AppStore is the way to get apps on the iPhone. And if you don’t like how it works even after you buy it, guess what? You can buy an Android phone to replace it. No one is stopping you. If you don’t do your research and don’t like your choice that’s on you.
Just because you want something doesn’t mean you are entitled to it.
 
These are such silly analogies, I don’t have to buy something in advance (like an iPhone) before I choose to wander into my burger joint of choice and can swap and choose as a like forever more. However, once a choose an iPhone I no longer have choice, whilst ever I own it, I eat in only one place and pay whatever they charge.

Like when you buy an XBox?
or PlayStation?
or Nintendo?

Ad infinitum.

Apple has a global 14 day returns policy…the best in the business - no questions asked. Don’t like how it works? Return it.
 
First, monopolies are not illegal.

Second, the App Store is not a monopoly, any more than McDonalds is a monopoly because they won’t let Burger King sell Whopper Juniors in McCafes.

Um.... Not these over simplify analogy again.

You are perfectly capable of opening up a Burger Shop, or in fact KFC next to McDonald with customer walking in without consequence from McDonald under current laws. Market Entry Barrier makes / defines monopolies.

Monopolies are not illegal, Monopoly Power "is".
 
Outside of the US I think Spotify is far more popular than Apple Music and that slight premium in cost is well worth it. Hopefully the fact Spotify has a much better interface will continue to attract users despite Apple Music being cheaper.

Is funny. When Europe say it is their market their rules, Apple Supporter are suggesting Europe should **** because Apple can do no wrong.

When it is Apple's market Apple's rule. They say Apple is correct.

The level of hypocrisy is insane.
 
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These are such silly analogies, I don’t have to buy something in advance (like an iPhone) before I choose to wander into my burger joint of choice and can swap and choose as a like forever more. However, once a choose an iPhone I no longer have choice, whilst ever I own it, I eat in only one place and pay whatever they charge.
Not forever. As long as you own the phone, which most people do every couple of years give or take. Or don’t buy an iPhone to begin with if you don’t like the way app purchasing apps works.

I don’t really care if apple allows third party app stores, by the way, I’m fine with apple willingly allow it or someone else forcing them to do it.
 
Shut up, Spotify! Make your own OS.
Yeah, because you would love that wouldn't you?
Let's say every company had the muscle to actually do that. Look at your phone and count the number of apps you have there that are not made by Apple. Then imagine having to have a separate phone for every one of those apps. How convenient!
 
Instead of selling songs at $.99 a pop, Spotify created a streaming service of unlimited music. Tile created a product to find missing items. They MADE something. Apple is the one that didn’t innovate and decided to copy them. But now Spotify and Tile obviously can’t compete with Apple.
Your comment is ridiculous. Thats like saying that Henry Ford made the Model T and every other automobile manufacturer besides Ford is just copying ford and hasn't innovated.
 
If anyone cared to look up the definition of "monopoly" they'd see right there that the App Store is one. And by the way- monopolies are illegal
That is like saying Walmart is a monopoly and should be forced to let other retailers sell in their stores. There are other platforms besides iOS, and non one is forced to buy a more expensive phone from apple if they don't want to. They can buy any one of the hundreds of different Android phones. Apple doesn't even have a majority marketshare, which would be required to say it is a monopoly.
 
Instead of selling songs at $.99 a pop, Spotify created a streaming service of unlimited music. Tile created a product to find missing items. They MADE something. Apple is the one that didn’t innovate and decided to copy them. But now Spotify and Tile obviously can’t compete with Apple.
Do you realise that Find My iPhone came out in 2010. Tile first came out in 2012. All Apple has done is extend their already existing functionality to the new Air Tags, as well as opening up the "Find My" to third party developers. Also, quite frankly, Tile products suck.
 
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Except if you want a hamburger you have limitless restaurants. If you want an iOS app, you have one store.
I think you mean "if you want a hamburger you have limitless restaurants. If you want a Big Mac, you have one store [McDonald's if it was not clear]."
 
I’m still not really clear what these companies want the end game to be. Do they just want to be able to open a payment window inside their app to ask the user for their card details for payment?
 
If anyone cared to look up the definition of "monopoly" they'd see right there that the App Store is one. And by the way- monopolies are illegal
It clearly isn’t a monopoly. If Apple was the only smartphone maker in the world and the AppStore was then the only way to buy apps there would be a monopoly. If you want Apple, you know what you’re buying into. If you don’t then buy elsewhere. That choice is available. Choice, therefore no monopoly.
 
Maybe because when we build our own businesses we don’t want the government to come along and say “you need to help out your competitors who didn’t put in the effort that you did?”
I’d go further. It doesn’t matter how much effort the competition put in, more or less. No company should be forced by a government to help a competitor.
 
Is funny. When Europe say it is their market their rules, Apple Supporter are suggesting Europe should **** because Apple can do no wrong.

When it is Apple's market Apple's rule. They say Apple is correct.

The level of hypocrisy is insane.

I suppose nobody likes companies who try to monopolise and I think unless regions in the world where Apple trade didn’t try and keep them in check, we’d be very limited on iOS.
 
I’m still not really clear what these companies want the endgame to be. Do they just want to be able to open a payment window inside their app to ask the user for their card details for payment?

That's my question as well. What exactly are they looking for? What outcome do they want from these anti-trust investigations?

If Spotify is upset about the 30% cut... they can already let people sign up on their website and avoid the 30% cut. Other companies are doing it. Example: Netflix

Hell... Spotify themselves told people to do that in 2015:


Of course Apple won't allow a window to pop up inside the Spotify app to give your credit card number to Spotify.

But... the Safari browser is literally a couple taps away... with no restrictions. Seriously... it's the freakin' open web.

This seems like a solved problem. I wonder how many more investigations need to happen.
 
That's my question as well. What exactly are they looking for? What outcome do they want from these anti-trust investigations?

If Spotify is upset about the 30% cut... they can already let people sign up on their website and avoid the 30% cut. Other companies are doing it. Example: Netflix

Hell... Spotify themselves told people to do that in 2015:


Of course Apple won't allow a window to pop up inside the Spotify app to give your credit card number to Spotify.

But... the Safari browser is literally a couple taps away... with no restrictions. Seriously... it's the freakin' open web.

This seems like a solved problem. I wonder how many more investigations need to happen.
Maybe the resolution they are looking for is to open a payment window in the app. Or a link to where customers can sign up on the web.

I have seen a whole lot of complaining and not a lot of suggesting viable remedies.
 
You know, 25 years ago, Apple was about to self-destruct. Now they're the most valuable company on Earth. Perhaps if these little whiners like Tile, Epic, and Spotify innovated more and complained less, they might be able to compete, survive, and thrive.

This isn't flag football, this is capitalism. Stop your complaining and MAKE something.
How does a company that focus‘s on one thing innovate? they aren’t a tech company. They literally do one thing.
 
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