klasma
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No, in Europe, the intent of the law also matters. That’s one reason why the regulations begin with a long list of goals and justifications before the actual provisions. Courts take that into account.
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Spotify CEO Daniel Ek on Apple's EU Changes: 'They Think the Rules Don't Apply to Them'
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You do have a choice. As you say, you can buy another brand. Then you can be done with this brand, which you dislike.
I assume you meant "can't" here? The primary purpose of the DMA is to enable more competition and to limit the market power of big companies such as Apple, this is the complete opposite of that, ergo it is likely to breach the law.
BaldiMac
macrumors G3
Why would they have to pay a 17% commission? They don't have to stay in the App Store.
Probably equal to the number of flying pigs.
jz0309
macrumors P6
well, if Apple is in violation of the DMA, I'm sure the EU will respond ...
melonbread5
macrumors newbie
1,000,000 installs per year is not really a lot. And if your app goes viral you will be on the hook to pay Apple hundreds of thousands, or even millions of dollars.
It's just malicious compliance meant to scare developers from using alternative app stores, essentially making the DMA another law with major loopholes that renders it useless. Yeah Spotify and Epic are just angry they won't get a bigger cut of their pie, but I don't see how this policy will be favorable to anyone else.
It's just malicious compliance meant to scare developers from using alternative app stores, essentially making the DMA another law with major loopholes that renders it useless. Yeah Spotify and Epic are just angry they won't get a bigger cut of their pie, but I don't see how this policy will be favorable to anyone else.
JoEw
macrumors 68000
Why is my Mac grandfathered into being more open platform than my iPhone? This is insanity.
It seems like 99% of these legal issues and developer sentiment would disappear over night if they were forced to allow side loading as an option for iPhone users. Just as the Mac offers.
I understand the profit incentive is too strong here, but I really think this is at the point of damaging Apple's reputation. This rent-seeking is coming at a cost to user experience as an iPhone user.
Good luck getting more Vision Pro apps with this hostility, Apple.
It seems like 99% of these legal issues and developer sentiment would disappear over night if they were forced to allow side loading as an option for iPhone users. Just as the Mac offers.
I understand the profit incentive is too strong here, but I really think this is at the point of damaging Apple's reputation. This rent-seeking is coming at a cost to user experience as an iPhone user.
Good luck getting more Vision Pro apps with this hostility, Apple.
I guess you don't remember the time when Apple offered 3 months of music listening for free in the music app and didn't pay the artists at all. How is Apple good here?
At least spotify pays artists unlike Apple - if there wasn't a massive uproar then they would keep this rule till now. Apple is *******s sometimes and this is one of those occasions
At least spotify pays artists unlike Apple - if there wasn't a massive uproar then they would keep this rule till now. Apple is *******s sometimes and this is one of those occasions
turbineseaplane
macrumors Penryn
Apple, conversely, rips off developers and customers -- now
75Batt
macrumors 6502
They absolutely are within the rules. Do you even fully know the details of the act?
Then, buy a Samsung. I really mean it, no grudge. I think the right way to change something you don’t like is to vote with your wallet, instead of forcing everyone else to do what you like.
Yes, Apple rules are kind of cringe - what else do you expect, they’re forced to do this! As a user, I would have been disappointed if they hadn’t done anything they could in order to hinder the DMA as much as possible.
That still doesnt give them any moral high ground. Sweeney and Elk are rent seekers themselves.
Why do you think you can use other people's property for free? Can I listen premium music for free? Besides, everyone pays Spotify directly anyway, Apple doesn't earn anything from Spotify, Netflix etc.. They want to destroy Apple. This is the goal.
WarmWinterHat
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My phone is my property, not Apples.
If I give permission to Spotify to use my property, that's up to me. Apple should have no say so in it, otherwise, they are telling me what to do with my property.
Yep, I remember the AirDrop change. And I also remember a LOT of complaining about it because people didn't like that the Chinese government was making demands and forcing Apple to change things. Criticism of the demands of the Chinese government has been pretty clear on MacRumors...coincidentally from some of the same people praising the EU's demands...
Funny, isn't it?
springsup
macrumors 65816
Daniel Ek is such a freaking hypocrite.
Contact_Feanor
macrumors 6502
If apple believed the rules don't apply to them, they wouldn't be implementing these changes. The only reason they're changing things is because they have to begrudgingly accept that the rules apply to them. What he means is:
politicians didn't write the rules the way we liked them!
politicians didn't write the rules the way we liked them!
wbeasley
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Perhaps Apple could just sell Android OS phones in EU and see how the people react to their government's decisions.
Revolt comes to mind...
Revolt comes to mind...
What is the difference?
China tries to limit freedom, Apple is forced to comply, even if it’s bad for users, with some workarounds in order to ease it (in this case, the 10-min “all” AirDrop).
The EU tries to limit freedom, of course on a much lower point of the spectrum, and Apple does the same as with China.
It’s the same behaviour and, as I said, the magnitude is different. But I also expect more from the EU, we don’t want it to become China (once again, still very far away).
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wbeasley
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I like, use and pay for Spotify.
But I dont like how they pay artists.
Or how they behave and whinge all the time.
Theyve had years to implement the hires music option they talked about.
But havent. And will probably charge more.
If Apple would work on Apple Music and make it more Spotify-like, I'd swap.
Keep a free Spotify account for car use. The car app doesn't even store files locally for times you get a telecom black spot...
But I dont like how they pay artists.
Or how they behave and whinge all the time.
Theyve had years to implement the hires music option they talked about.
But havent. And will probably charge more.
If Apple would work on Apple Music and make it more Spotify-like, I'd swap.
Keep a free Spotify account for car use. The car app doesn't even store files locally for times you get a telecom black spot...
Even the most ardent apologists have to admit that Apple’s core tech fee amounts to that install fee Unity tried to create last year. Both went down like lead balloons.
Dislike the idea of governments curtailing corps all you like but Apple is effectively hog-tying devs into sticking with the status quo which isn’t a choice.
Dislike the idea of governments curtailing corps all you like but Apple is effectively hog-tying devs into sticking with the status quo which isn’t a choice.
Spotify is a 20 year old company that still isn't profitable, just shut up and close your company.
dumastudetto
macrumors 603
It's absolutely imperative that people understand how critical this services revenue is to the survival of Apple.
The EU wants to destroy Apple. Don't let them.
The EU wants to destroy Apple. Don't let them.