They wouldn’t have to. Daniel Ek has been disingenuous from the get go. This is just another example of it.
Got a tip for us?
Let us know
Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
Spotify CEO Daniel Ek on Apple's EU Changes: 'They Think the Rules Don't Apply to Them'
- Thread starter MacRumors
- Start date
- Sort by reaction score
For once, I hope China can follow suite quickly and demand the same. Alternative App Store for Android is fairly common in China as play store is banned. The beautiful part is China has way more leverage over Apple because it holds 1/5 of Apple’s revenue.
Yes but there's no requirement that Apple create a profitable market for their competitors. Thats why the new terms quantify a baseline rate for apps in general, and how much additional Apple takes within the App Store. You can compare these to licensing Unity or Unreal engine for a game vs selling within the Epic Game Store or Steam.
If the EU argues that the old rate being cheaper limits alternative app stores, I imagine Apple will just require apps in the EU to use the new rate scheme exclusively.
The software is not though. Apple reserves the right to its IP. It’s why even the DMA doesn’t force Apple to not collect any money. Apple’s APIs and IP are theirs. You can’t force a company to give things away for free.
The software on the device is an ongoing service with terms of use and updates. It is unfortunate that the complexity has moved into software and that modern hardware are reduced to paperweights without agreeing to such terms, but thats where we are.
I’m very certain that Spotify has screwed over many artists and businesses to get to their position so I enjoy this irony.
Spotify also do not pay artist very well. All the while complaining about not being to monetize Apples users or hardware for free.
Mmm... that's not how it works in terms of actual property. If you rent out a dwelling, you absolutely don't have the right to do whatever you want. For example, you can't sublet.
is it the same here? I don't know. I think there is a definite case for Apple here if we look at it from this perspective. Is it right though? It seems complicated.
And China has oppressed their tech sector so much that Chinese entrepreneurs are trying to invest in crypto to make money. Jack Ma disappeared for 3 months for criticizing the CCP.
Yeah sure because Google is much better. You are all pretty much kidding yourself.
More competition for EU companies more to the point.
No, Chinese government doesn’t want Wild West tech sector. They want tech sector to work the way they demand to, which in many regards is not how it should work to thrive.
China has little to no foundation to build their own stuff in the tech sector. It is what it is.
Anyway, I’ll end here.
No one is locked it. People prefer it, but plenty have switched platforms, especially in Europe where things like the conversation around iMessage is moot. Most services people use are multi-platform subscription services that are easily managed across Android and iOS. It’s why iMessage hasn’t easily fallen under the DMA so far.
The EU is beholden to China also. Let’s not forgot once again also Europe has the world on the brink of all out war. Shouldn’t they be worrying about that more?
This is basically the point of the DMA. The biggest platforms in the world weren’t created in Europe and they are trying to force competition. They don’t look at the, at times, overly aggressive regulatory environment in the EU has suppressing invention. Basically, nothing in the DMA applies to Spotify. They didn’t write anything in there to mandate Spotify pay artists fair wages.
My spouse is Chinese and has relatives in the tech sector in China. You’re fully misrepresenting how it actually works there. Their crackdown was so bad, that it rattled their entire economy. They have been back peddling for the last year slowly because of how bad it was.
The irony of his “fighting for fairness” is lost on many.
I doubt it. Having one app store and significant leverage means greater control. Multiple stores would make it harder to maintain control over what apps are available. Sideloading would be even worse, from a control perspective.
Why is it their job to allow competition. They have worked hard to get where they are. And they face plenty of competition from Android. People can choose and if something does not do well people run for regulation. The EU does not care about consumers. Its pandering to lobbyists.
I would pay money to never have to hear what the spotify chief jerkoff and the epic chief jerkoff have to say about anything ever again. I am so tired of hearing every freaking day what these two idiots have to say. That is all.
I'm totally agree with Spotify and this is called to be monopolistic competition within their ecosystem!
Apple called it App Store is not free!
it seems that 'They Think the Rules Don't Apply to Them'
Apple called it App Store is not free!
it seems that 'They Think the Rules Don't Apply to Them'
Disgruntled citizens also need to realise that they live in a society, and can't always get their way, because everything is interconnected.
For example, I am still single, and pay way more income tax than my friends who are married with multiple children (who pay zero). Married couples also get priority for housing. Imagine if I spoke out against this and the response was "just get married", despite me having little desire to.
Is it "unfair" to me? Perhaps, if I only thought about my own benefits in a vacuum, and focus on what I wasn't getting, while overlooking the areas I am better off in (eg: lower expenses overall despite having aged parents to care for). And taxes do exist to fund government programmes, and their policies are designed to incentivise people to have children and ensure a healthy, thriving population. Of course nobody likes paying a cent more to the government than they absolutely have to, but that doesn't mean it doesn't serve a purpose.
I'm confused on your point here given that the Supreme Court ruling on Citizens United v FEC may disagree on the entities being treated as entities component.
Note, I personally disagree with the opinion of the Supreme Court in that matter, however my opinion isn't case law.
You are going late! We don't need you here to ruin our OS!
What do you think will happen if Apple let all these huge brands leave App Store? We, Apple fans that like this walled-garden, could stay without any apps to download through the safest and best store EVER: The App Store!
This isn't a case to have options! The case here is WE WON'T HAVE THE OPTION TO DOWNLOAD THROUGH APP STORE ONCE APPLE LET ALL THIS APPS LEAVE TO OTHER (cheaper) APP STORES! You and others little minded like you are ruining the best OS ever.
Just buy the fSamsung and leave us alone! Just leave.
Exactly, I don't understand the likes of Spotify and Epic forcing a company to open up its App Store because they failed to innovate and attract customers. Apple built the App Store from the ground up. They operated at a loss, offering up free tools to developers in order to grow the App Store, of course they need to recoup their investment. If you don't like App Store rules, please use a different platform. The rest of us chose Apple because we like the safe walled garden. If we wanted to tinker and side load we would've gone Android. Why should Apple have to bend just so other platforms that aren't trying to innovate to stay competitive survive?
This is an inaccurate interpretation of the situation. Yes, your device is yours, so you are free to do whatever you want with it. But if you want to do something like sideload, then that’s not what the product was designed for (just like a calculator wasn’t designed to take photos), so you have to hack it (or try). It’s your purchase so you are free to do that, but also it’s not Apple’s responsibility to support your side endeavor, it’s yours alone. What you are actually suggesting is for Apple to make their product in such a way so that it’s easy for you to do what you want the product to do, so it’s you telling Apple what to do, not the other way around.