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Spotify CEO on Apple and Google: 'If You Want to Be the Referee, You Can't Also Be the Player'
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I wonder if Apple's response will be to just remove the app from their App Store. People can then subscribe etc on the web etc minus the fee.
The details are spelled out in the actual legislation, which is also linked. Yes, you'll need laywers to interpret the legalese, and certain details may have to be settled by courts (as with all legislation), but the designated gatekeepers won’t have much trouble managing that.
You can be sure that a lot of thought has been put into how this interacts with the GDPR. It's always easy to assume that everyone else must be stupid if you haven't put the work into it yourself.
This is essentially Brexit Britain... well Britain prior to leaving the EU. They wanted to have their cake and eat it... so this situation has parallels with Brexit. This will not end well...
I actually agree with the idea here, even if the execution of that idea doesn't necessarily make a lot of sense.
Apple Music should be an independent subsidiary of Apple that pays 30% in fees just like Spotify does. The team that moderates the App Store should be completely firewalled from Apple Music.
In an ideal world, the review team shouldn't even be allowed to know who owns the app and what the name of the app being reviewed is.
Ultimately, that does add some "red tape and bureaucracy", yes it does. But it would also go a long way to show their partners that publish on the app store, that they will be treated fairly and to the same standard Apple treats themselves.
IMHO this would also demonstrate that Apple's (app store review team) is acting on behalf of Apple's customers first and foremost. Again, I am a strong believe that Apple should uphold themselves to the same standards they're upholding third parties to. An OS or store that "gives first-party apps special treatment" is also ripe for abuse and/or hacks/exploits.
Apple Music should be an independent subsidiary of Apple that pays 30% in fees just like Spotify does. The team that moderates the App Store should be completely firewalled from Apple Music.
In an ideal world, the review team shouldn't even be allowed to know who owns the app and what the name of the app being reviewed is.
Ultimately, that does add some "red tape and bureaucracy", yes it does. But it would also go a long way to show their partners that publish on the app store, that they will be treated fairly and to the same standard Apple treats themselves.
IMHO this would also demonstrate that Apple's (app store review team) is acting on behalf of Apple's customers first and foremost. Again, I am a strong believe that Apple should uphold themselves to the same standards they're upholding third parties to. An OS or store that "gives first-party apps special treatment" is also ripe for abuse and/or hacks/exploits.
Like I said, it’s still not going to help Spotify become profitable anytime soon. It’s just all noise to mask a bad business model.
Apple have been up their own backsides recently in all areas of their business. I'm all for more competition for Apple. Maybe they'll actually start pricing their products to what they're actually worth.
Double the rate you pay out to artists to at the very least match the pittance Apple Music pays out, then we can talk
Well maybe, if the mall owned Rolex store had lower prices because they did not pay any rent, bot otherwise it would be just like me opening a tolex store next to you. You might comp,ain to rolex about their treatment of co branded stores tho, and you might have a cilicitor have a look at your contract with the mall
The UI is horrid and I hate how their queuing system works.
Spotify is faster and more responsive and allows hand off between devices. Music discovery is also much better in Spotify.
Except that there wasn’t a single company categorized as any sort of gatekeeper or dominant platform under their new regulations. Either they are engaging in proxy trade wars via legislation or the regulatory environment has made it difficult for companies to succeed.
Is it really ilegal to sash your car on your property if you can document that the runnof of dirty water is being collected an suitably disposed of/ treated? The dog thing must really be an unfortunate intersect of a number of other rules, otherwise it's just too silly
Depends on one's definition of bad.
Last I checked, Spotify still doesn't have an Apple TV app, and their watch app came only recently. Their colour scheme is horrendous as well. For a company complaining about the deleterious effects of competition, they sure are doing a poor job of implementing the newer features in the areas that they are able to control. So in this regard, Spotify would totally not be serving my needs at all, were it the only music streaming service in town.
I am also not a fan of how they have decided to basically combine music and podcasts into one app, or how they are basically pushing ads down people's throats.
Apple Music feels like the one last true "music player app" without any of the gimmicks or shenanigans.
Well at ,east in the EU and EEA we will soon have side loading so app store fees will be a moit point
They do have an Apple TV app
Apple Music is littered with gimmicks and shenanigans. They had a Karaoke mode before they had crossfade.
Spotify is a store, if you think about it. Artists/labels make their music/podcasts/audiobooks available on Spotify to be monetized.
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This moron CEO should spend less time on metaphors and more time trying to make a profit for his company. The App Store commission is not the problem — it is his business model. And users can go directly to Spotify to sign up, but they find out that more users want to purchase through the app — that is the value you get by paying the commission. If they don’t want to pay it, then they need to accept lower sub numbers.
A poor business model, no road to profitability, and whining about companies that are successful doesn’t entitle you to help from the government. Apple and Google are doing nothing wrong — according to Spotify, their only hope is to try to get regulators to enact more regulations upon them. Spotify wouldn’t even exist without the economy that Apple created with the App Store.
A poor business model, no road to profitability, and whining about companies that are successful doesn’t entitle you to help from the government. Apple and Google are doing nothing wrong — according to Spotify, their only hope is to try to get regulators to enact more regulations upon them. Spotify wouldn’t even exist without the economy that Apple created with the App Store.
Please no. Apple Music is great. I used Spotify for years but switched to Apple Music some years back. Out of curiosity I then tried Spotify again earlier this year for a few months. While it was fine, it wasn't better than Apple Music.
I have nothing against Spotify (although they don't pay artists as much as Apple does), but I find Apple Music as good as or better. Apple Music also does an amazing job of recommending new music to me that I end up liking. Plus, spatial audio is a amazing.
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Spotify doesn’t want to pay anything. One thing that a lot of folks don’t mention is that the major labels were the biggest initial stakeholders in Spotify to combat the iTunes Store, and the labels are not ones to easily part with their money.
Some people, including Spotify, avoid talking about the viability of Spotify’s business model. Podcasts were a way to try and increase potential ad revenue but podcast listening dramatically increased as the world came out of the main phases of the pandemic just as Spotify was paying insane amounts of money for technology and content producers.
Their complaints about iOS and Google are a smokescreen to their missteps as a business.
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Spotify was founded on April 23, 2006. The original iPhone was announced on January 9, 2007. Apple's App Store opened on July 10, 2008.
Because it isn't relevant to a discussion about Apple anti competitive business practices.
Is Apple obligated to offer Spotify? Is Spotify obligated to offer their services only through the AppStore?
Last I heard, web apps are still a thing… and who’s eating into who’s lunch? iTunes was the dominant player and it was Spotify who cut into Apple’s business with streaming, just like Google did with Android
Too much whining while still lining their pockets and paying artists next to nothing
Last I heard, web apps are still a thing… and who’s eating into who’s lunch? iTunes was the dominant player and it was Spotify who cut into Apple’s business with streaming, just like Google did with Android
Too much whining while still lining their pockets and paying artists next to nothing