Hasn't paid anything? You want to rethink that a sec?spotify hasn't paid anything to apple so far. Now, according to the new rules, they will have to pay for each user.
Well done Apple.
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Spotify Complains That Apple Hasn't Approved Update With Subscription Pricing and Links in EU
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That is the point. If others were having those delays you would see a lot of reports of it. The fact that their is a complete lack of reports is the very telling part.
The AppStore has a standard process that applies to every developer. You submit your new app build or changed build with the associated metadata via AppStore Connect. AppStore Connect shows you the status of your submission from Submitted, to Waiting for Review, to In Review, to Accepted, to Waiting for Export Compliance, to Pending Developer Release, to Processing for Distribution, to Pending Apple Release, to Ready for Distribution or other standard process stages.
Apple does not acknowledge receipt for anyone nor do they reach out except when there is a rejection (which is accompanied with explanation of why the app is rejected and pointers to relevant app review guidelines). The developer is allowed to respond within the system to either explain if and why they believe the reviewer made a mistake or to ask for additional information. It is a very impersonal process as that is what’s required to operate at the scale that the AppStore operates at (~2M apps, almost 1M developers/publishers).
App review time varies from app to app and change to change depending on complexity and volume of AppStore activity. My company’s initial app approvals average less than a week and app changes average 1-3 days. We always know exactly where an app is in the entire process. I am certain that Spotify also knows where its submission is despite its claim that Apple hasn’t acknowledged its submission — because that’s how the system works. I suspect that Spotify’s review process will also take longer than usual because of (a) increased volume of app changes due to EU DMA requirements, and (b) Spotify‘s history of deceptive and malicious behavior which compels Apple to ensure that the submission is compliant.
As someone who works with Apple’s AppStore every day for my business and in support of my customers businesses, I am grateful for the AppStore and Apple‘s development platform and ecosystem. Sure we have had rejections and most of the time, the rejection motivated changes that improved user experience. In the rare occasion where reviewers were wrong we received quick approval after pointing out the errors or oversight respectfully. This is the experience of all the Apple developers I personally know. The contrarians seem to be large businesses with egotistical leaders (Spotify, Epic, 37 Signals, etc.) trying to circumvent the AppStore guidelines for personal gain and stretching the truth to gen up public outrage to assist their efforts.
Net-net: As a development professional, it is indeed a privilege to have such a well-thought-out and supportive (though imperfect) platform to build a business on and to help other businesses improve their operations with reliable, high-quality software solutions. It is tragic to watch Apple getting smeared in this process by bad actors.
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Spotify pays about as much to Apple as they pay to the Artists.
The idea that app makers must become phone makers in order to address anticompetitive conduct is unbelievably silly. I'm glad you're not running things.
Reread my post. I didn't say they had to. They have thrived under Apple's Ecosystem. Are you sure this is anticompetitive behavior?
Apple appears to do the minimal possible to follow rulings. I'm Suprised the board haven't fired it's lawyers and legal council! The optics are disastrous for Apple.
I can almost guarantee the fees Spotify charges will go up after all this complaining.
Also you don’t cut off Usain Bolt’s legs to beat him in race, none of that is competition.
I still all app market places as a mall and you pay rent in said mall and mark up your prices accordingly!!
Epic and a lot of these major game developers had MS & Sony over a barrel to the point they make no money on the consoles. None of this big company whining makes any sense.
One thing I’m waiting to see with all the different app stores is, who pays the refund for some egregious charge, Apple or the Developer?
Also you don’t cut off Usain Bolt’s legs to beat him in race, none of that is competition.
I still all app market places as a mall and you pay rent in said mall and mark up your prices accordingly!!
Epic and a lot of these major game developers had MS & Sony over a barrel to the point they make no money on the consoles. None of this big company whining makes any sense.
One thing I’m waiting to see with all the different app stores is, who pays the refund for some egregious charge, Apple or the Developer?
Yes, details are missing, but to get *no response* at all is a tad suspicious.
It’s the only form of redress you suggested.
Nope. That's not what I said at all. Reread it and try again.
Typical BS from someone that sees Apple as some sort of God. The fact is, without apps, the iPhone would be a useless piece of crap rusting in the landfills. It's because of apps that the iPhone still exists. Apple should be bending over backwards to make developers happy. Why Apple should get a dime from Spotify when they do nothing is beyond me.
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Yup.. Spotify and Epic seem to want VIP privileges, and are trying to complain very loudly when they do not get them
And the reverse is true as well.. If the iPhone never existed I am pretty sure Spotify would not be around today (or be worth way less $$$$$ than they currently are)
Very tired of these Apple lemmings.
This is just deflection. The ability to be successful at music streaming does not mean they’ll be a successful smartphone maker. Nor should it be the primary alternative to being subjected to a direct competitor’s will. And how big does the team need to be before “they should just make their own phone”?
They are at 6x over a long normal and lack of a bunch of others saying things about a delay. FYI reviews are done same location world wide.
If the iPhone never existed it would’ve been developed for a different smartphone platform.
"Man I'm so sick of Epi-- Oh, it's not Epic this time? Imma hit post anyway."
Really? How much? Cite sources, please!
It costs $99/year to be a registered developer. This is not a serious argument.
Apple literally did, and Epic and Spotify are still raising holy hell.
Do you mean Spotify?
Sure, but would they have the same consumer base (and $$$ customers) as they do now?
I highly doubt it
I think you have cause and effect backwards. iOS “Apps” exist because of the AppStore ecosystem that provides world class development tools and resources plus access to a marketplace that is entirely created by Apple selling compelling devices that can run these apps. Let’s get the facts clear: It was the AppStore that bootstrapped the iOS app development economy — not the other way around.
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