“tries to argue” = puts their own store in their app against the developer agreement, then sues and loses badly?
That’s some weird logic 🤔
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That’s some weird logic 🤔
Perhaps a good point, they did owe that because they broke the agreement.
Still, very few companies have the resources to challenge Apple in a way that they will even seriously notice.
Is this the way it is going to be — each week, another article starting with “Spotify complains”? I would suggest this be modified to “Spotify whines about”.
Did the EU stipulate how long Apple gets to review an app or app update before it is allowed into the App Store? No. The law just went into effect about a week ago.
Did the EU stipulate how long Apple gets to review an app or app update before it is allowed into the App Store? No. The law just went into effect about a week ago.
It blows my mind how many of you think Apple providing a safe, secure store that customers trust means absolutely nothing. How can you not realize that exponentially more software downloads happen because Apple does so?
Spotify got as big as it did BECAUSE of the app store, but now that they’re big enough that customers trust them with credit card information they act like Apple did nothing for them.
You mean like Apple have done? Those new Terms Of Service that Spotify have not mentioned if they have agreed to?
Perhaps because of their Spotify Car Thing failing?
Car Thing discontinued - Spotify
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If only they had included Apple Music support!
This is hilarious! Spotify got "big" because it's superior over Apple Music and other music streaming services. The App Store has absolutely nothing to do with it except it's a forced portal for users to get the app. You really think people use the App Store as some sort of department store and read all the reviews, etc., before choosing Spotify? Maybe 1%. Everyone else knows what they want and are forced to get the app from the App Store. I already pay Spotify directly (have for years) and have no trust issues. The fact they get 100% of my money instead of 85% or 70% means my prices don't go up so fast.
The Approval process is a blackmailing instrument and should be removed altogether. There is practically no guaranteed timeline for the approval. If you speak against them, they can simply block you.
It is also the nightmare for software developers. You could release a new version which has a bug. You could fix it within hours for all platforms. But the iOS version could take days to be approved (even the Expedited App Review does not guarantee anything). Your customers would start complaining about the missed SLAs.
It is also the nightmare for software developers. You could release a new version which has a bug. You could fix it within hours for all platforms. But the iOS version could take days to be approved (even the Expedited App Review does not guarantee anything). Your customers would start complaining about the missed SLAs.
Well said. I’m baffled at the casual disregard and lack of appreciation of the benefits that users, iOS app developers and service providers get from Apple’s investment of money and life energy in creating and maintaining the app ecosystem. 🫤
Yes, it was certainly inconsiderate of Apple to launch the iTunes Store in 2003, knowing that Spotify would launch a few years later. Blockbuster might be able to make that complaint, but Spotify, not so much.
I’m curious: Have you ever developed an iOS App, submitted it to the iOS App Store and had it rejected or published? I’m asking because my company does this every day and our experience is nothing like what you describe — not for developers, not for our business customers and not for the users of the apps we develop for them.
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Perhaps, in a perfect world, but I do not recall it ever working that way for a device that fit in my pocket. I mainly remember having to get everything (what little was available) through my telecom and paying for ringtones that somehow wouldn't even move forward to my next pocket device.
The app store may not be perfect from today's viewpoint, but that is mainly because it is apparently good enough to make us forget where we started.
You clearly have forgotten what installing software was like for normal people before iPhone, or maybe you weren’t alive/old enough for it. Apple’s approach to apps and the App Store ABSOLUTELY created massive values to developers.
I’ll quote Steve Sinofski (who literally ran Windows, so not a die-hard Apple fan), who said it well better than I ever could:
Woosh. iTunes sold music. Spotify has never sold anything. Apple has decided they want to rent stuff out, like Spotify.
Honestly you're making my point for me. Apple decided they wanted to become a competitor to Spotify. And that they also would use their operating system control to leverage that.
And why should they? Let the billion iPhone users decide how they buy their stuff. Most will chose the Appstore anyways. Apple is just destroying it's reputation (and risking fines) for being a control freak, nothing else.
It’s funny how ridiculously long Spotify’s development cycles are taking YEARS to implement new features, yet they can whip up an update to include alt payment methods or links to their site… the amount of requests on their forum and responses saying “we’re looking into it” or “future item” is stupid. I remember when the iPhone 5 came out it took them months to adopt the dynamic layouts (4-6 months I think). It took them years (3 I think) to finally release a Watch companion app. I think some guy started developing his own and they ended up hiring him.
That being said, I’ve been a Spotify subscriber since 2012 (crazy it’s been almost 12 years and I don’t want to think about what that total amount is… lol). I’ve been mostly satisfied with them over the years minus the slow feature adoption. I’ve had so many trials of Apple Music in the past and am currently on one. It still doesn’t beat Spotify mainly for one feature; Connect. It’s sooooo much better than AirPlay. I also hate Apple Music’s layout and design. I don’t know that I’ll ever switch.
That being said, I’ve been a Spotify subscriber since 2012 (crazy it’s been almost 12 years and I don’t want to think about what that total amount is… lol). I’ve been mostly satisfied with them over the years minus the slow feature adoption. I’ve had so many trials of Apple Music in the past and am currently on one. It still doesn’t beat Spotify mainly for one feature; Connect. It’s sooooo much better than AirPlay. I also hate Apple Music’s layout and design. I don’t know that I’ll ever switch.
Just two things. First, you're confusing Epic with Spotify. Spotify has never exhibited malicious or deceptive behavior. That language is even a stretch for Epic. Deceptive yes. Malicious, debatable.
Anyway, second thing, you are literally the first independent developer I have ever seen praise Apple like this. Superlatives and all.
This post reads like Apple is paying you to write it. I'll take it at face value and give it the benefit of the doubt.
I wish the people on here who complain nonstop about this, or who say Apple has been terrible since the 1980’s… would just jump to Android or Windows already.
You’ll never be happy with Apple.
You’ll never be happy with Apple.
Do you think Apple paid Microsoft a single cent for getting „access“ to billions of Windows users for their applications?
Thank you. Someone had to say it. They want everything yesterday and when the issue is dealt with, they complain about something else. I’m really growing tired of it.
Yes, Apple is indirectly paying me to write this: For only $99 a year they provide and maintain world-class development tools, support and app distribution platform that allows me and nearly two hundred employees to enjoy a great standard of living while delivering solutions that help our clients do the same. I will hurl superlatives at anyone or anything that consistently delivers exceptional service and value to me and for me. Apple’s development platform is one such example and I’m not going to be silent about it when I see people unfairly bashing them.
I don’t claim to speak for all developers but I can assure you that the developers on my team have fewer gripes on iOS development than they do about other mobile development platforms including Xamarin/.NET Maui, Android, and Flutter .. and that is partly because of the extent and quality of support resources provided by Apple for iOS. And when I talk with my peers, some of whom are competitors I hear the same thing. But, your experience appears to be different and that’s ok.
Finally, I guess our definitions of deceptive and malicious are also different. In my value system making a public statement that sounds reasonable to lay people because they don’t know enough about a subject to call BS on you is deceptive. Spotify‘s claim that Apple has not "acknowledged nor responded" to its App Store submission is deceptive because Apple acknowledges and responds to every AppStore submission the same way: by updating submission status in AppStore Connect. Spotify knows the status because it is available to them in AppStore Connect, yet they make a public statement that is untrue to whip up public fervor to coerce regulator action. That is dishonest. And the potential consequences of that dishonesty is reputation or legal harm to Apple. That is malice. But this is my perspective. You are free to have your own.
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