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I have to agree... the thought of Tim Cook standing up on stage saying Apple Music F****** sucks to the engineers seems a lot, lot less plausible. Of course, it only mildly helped MobileMe when SJ did it... who knows...
Yea, I loved how politically INcorrect Steve was. At least he admitted to some of his mistakes.
The best thing that came out of MobileMe for ME, was a short 3-letter @me.com email address that I still use to this day.
 
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Did you see that article about iOS 10 having a redesigned music app? That's what I was referring to.

I get that, and rumours that Apple Music will feature in wwdc. Point being, the current app being *****, has nothing to do with iOS 9, it's poor design. They did not need to wait for iOS 10 to fix the music app.
 
I get that, and rumours that Apple Music will feature in wwdc. Point being, the current app being *****, has nothing to do with iOS 9, it's poor design. They did not need to wait for iOS 10 to fix the music app.

That's kind of the thing about version numbers... that's their plan.
 
Maybe this might help you understand.
Let me cry in my Silicon Valley beer for a sec.

In the late 90s I worked for a startup in the valley with very bright energetic people. Our company had a revolutionary product in an infrastructure niche no one else had. One of the fastest growing tech companies around with large technical staff and very little hierarchy in ways of middle management. The tech savvy founders focused on solving problems quickly, allowing customer facing pre-sales techs to be creative and come up with solutions together with engineering in the span of days, that would take corporate giants like Microsoft weeks or months to solve.

It was that nimbleness that allowed us to win big contracts ahead of the established players. This is universally true of many startups and "disrupters" with a smart new product and flat hierarchies.
I was lucky to be amongst the first 200 staff and saw the company grow to 5000+ employees within a few short years.
After exponential growth, corporate procedures and a swath of middle managers weighed us down. Take any scene out of "Office Space" and it happens to nearly all companies once they reach a certain size.

Apple was amazing in how it grew to this size and still pump out great products in relatively short order. SJ was not known for for his subtle, laid-back approach. Now that "the cat" is gone, the pencil pushing mice come out to play. Having said that, I still think Apple has bucked the lethargy trend of most large corporations.

It's not so much managerial delusion about Apple's place in the world, but lethargy setting in in the absence of forceful visionary leadership. It is rare for a large corporation to come back from the brink like Apple did in 1997 and behave much like a startup again, let alone for that to happen again. Not saying they're anywhere near that scenario, but the phenomenal success over the last 2 decades is unlikely to continue at this rate.

Who knows, Apple could've easily bought Spotify (if it was for sale), but probably decided against it when they launched Apple Music.
So now Google is back-dooring their way into Spotify according to this story:
http://www.caama.org/follow-the-money-is-spotify-getting-the-bear-hug-from-google/
I wonder how many steps are needed for a good idea to go from the bottom and reach top management in a company sized like Apple. And think about all middle men chasing their slice of pie.
 
Seems that Apple's music algorithms suck as hard as their search algorithms.

Is it really like that? That's such a shame. When I trialled Apple Music last year I was really impressed with what was being thrown my way. The only issue I had was that'd it'd serve up albums I already had saved to my music.
 
I maybe going Spotify. Only because I switch between iPhone and Android frequently and I'm looking into CarPlay and Android Auto. Since Spotify is on both seems like the better way to go.
Think twice before stepping over to Spotify as they have a very annoying 10,000 cap on saved tunes. It doesn't take long to save more than 10,000 tunes if you are anyway keen on Music. Plus don't complain to Spotify because they aren't interested because there are over 159 pages of complaints about this very erroneous cap and Spotify have not answered any of the complaints. I would suggest you look at either Google Play Music or Deezer
 
What annoys me, is that Spotify are still operating at a loss, basically due to the greed of the record companies. how much money do they actually need!?

IHMO They should be grateful to companies like Spotify helping them maintain a revenue stream; :mad:
 
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I'm a big fan of Apple Music. I just wish the issues remaining with track matches would get worked out.

What it also needs is a redesign to basically look like the iTunes Store. I'm highly familiar with the iTunes store on Mac and iOS. What I often end up doing is searching for something on there to see if it's a thing sold digitally and then go to Apple Music to actually find it. I don't get why I need to do that. For instance, all those Prince albums and songs sold digitally but not for streaming? Where you have all the buying options, add a button or two for Apple Music stuff.
 
And yet they don't have my favorite rock band, Radiohead. Fail.
If it would have been you favourite rock band you would have bought the album. That's what the fans do! And you can buy it directly from the band so they get all the money. Vinyl, CD, MP3 and 24bit Wav. Can't complain on the options.

No Prince in AM or Spotify. For us users current situation suck big time. More the services have exlclusive albums more people will torrent music.

Spotify just has best UX.
 
Wait... how did they figure that?

The only way you'll spend $32,919 on streaming music is if you subscribe for 274 years :eek:

The way I see it... $10 a month for 40 years is $4,800

Not chump change... but still not as high as they're projecting.

Anything will produce a big number after a long time though. Did you ever think how much you will have spent on your smartphone or home internet over 40 years?

Maybe the biggest waste of money on something you don't really need is a cell phone. I grew up, raised 3 kids with out a cell phone or ever sending a text message. You don't need one, yet pay around $100 per month for one. Drop the cell phone and over you life you could save $500,000.
 
Think twice before stepping over to Spotify as they have a very annoying 10,000 cap on saved tunes. It doesn't take long to save more than 10,000 tunes if you are anyway keen on Music. Plus don't complain to Spotify because they aren't interested because there are over 159 pages of complaints about this very erroneous cap and Spotify have not answered any of the complaints. I would suggest you look at either Google Play Music or Deezer
Until Apple allows other streaming services or Google allows Apple Music I am kind of not in a good position to say no to Spotify.

They're offered on both. It's either that or stick with one platform my entire life. Which may make more sense but I happen to be one of those unicorns that likes both Android and iOS with an iOS bias.
 
Absolutely it should. It should match the iPhone built-in apps.

The Video app on the phone covers videos. Make that for Mac.
The Music app on the phone covers music. Make that for Mac.
The App Store app on the phone covers Apps. Make that for Mac.
Podcasts...
iTunes U...
iBooks...

All separate apps. Yet on a Mac, you get a GIANT KLUDGE into iTunes. Even if they split iTunes into two apps where one was synchronisation with phones/pads, and one was "media", it would help a lot.
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Don't assume profitability in scale. Sometimes acquisition costs grow larger. A logistics issue, but it happens.

Both music and videos are purchases thru the iTunes store- I don't see why you need to have separate apps to play them. Keeping a Video and a Music section in iTunes works fine. Plus it's easier to them connect your iPhone/iPad and manage content in one app.

App store is already separate on both portables and desktops.

iTunes U- sure take that out bc so few people actually use it.

Podcasts- Again, I don't see why you need to take that out of the desktop iTunes when it's media you can manage in another tab.

iBooks - this is already separate for both portables and desktops.

Apple will not make a sync app because they are pushing cloud content management.
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That didn't take long, the product is naff, but hey, let's talk about the profits they make from releasing a naff product. As if that makes it alright.. pathetic!!

What is a naff product?
 
If it would have been you favourite rock band you would have bought the album. That's what the fans do! And you can buy it directly from the band so they get all the money. Vinyl, CD, MP3 and 24bit Wav. Can't complain on the options.

No Prince in AM or Spotify. For us users current situation suck big time. More the services have exlclusive albums more people will torrent music.

Spotify just has best UX.

I did buy the album. I buy the best stuff. I still listen through Spotify as my sole music player because it has local file ability. I know what I'm doing so please, stop with your posturing.
 
And yet Spotify doesn't have the new Radiohead album yet. If Spotify had the ability to let me upload my own music id be more open to letting it be my main music service. I hate not being able to fill in the catalogue gaps or when music gets taken away.


Perhaps they were never given the rights to it yet? Remember, In Rainbows is not on Spotify either, and it's probably my favorite album of them all.

On a side note I didn't know they dropped a new album, definitely checking it out tonight, thanks.



edit: NVM just read that they were against releasing it on Spotify, similar to In Rainbows and other artists.
 
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It's pretty obvious Radiohead has blacklisted the album for Spotify, despite giving them the singles. This is yet another high profile release that Spotify didn't get and I'm wondering if I need to switch services. It's too bad Apple Music UI is a complete disaster and family sharing is complicated than it needs to be. Tidal looks to be the best option. They seem to have all the releases day 1 from artists that I listen to. They even have Prince, my favorite artist of all time.
 
Both music and videos are purchases thru the iTunes store- I don't see why you need to have separate apps to play them. Keeping a Video and a Music section in iTunes works fine. Plus it's easier to them connect your iPhone/iPad and manage content in one app.

App store is already separate on both portables and desktops.

iTunes U- sure take that out bc so few people actually use it.

Podcasts- Again, I don't see why you need to take that out of the desktop iTunes when it's media you can manage in another tab.

iBooks - this is already separate for both portables and desktops.

Apple will not make a sync app because they are pushing cloud content management.
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What is a naff product?
Give over.
 
Not only am I using Spotify for streaming, but I use it for the few "local files" I cant get from the service. I have not opened itunes/Apple music in over a year.
 
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