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I was going to try Apple Music, but then I saw the Spotify family plan. Both my daughters are paid Spotify subscribers, love it, and have no desire to switch to AM. So I signed up for the family plan, added my daughters to it, and now for the same monthly cost we all have premium accounts. So far I have no complaints.

Yeah when Spotify matched Apple's 14.99 a month family plan it was great. The advantage is that the Spotify accounts are separate where Apple music family plan is all under one apple ID. So for Spotify family you can give premium to anybody and they wont see any of your personal info. I got 5 friends to be in my "family" and they paid me 30 bucks for a year, so it's like $2.50 a month for me now.
 
they had the head-start so, this should not be surprising.


U ever seen a runner come in last place ?

Spotify just works out of the bx because its "only a music service", so it's easier to manage. Apple has has all this cloud stuff to work with as well as the music stuff, but its all in the same place, which complicated 'which piece goes where' type model...
 
I was a Spotify paying member. Then gave Apple Music a try for about 6 months or so. Can't say I was unhappy with AM but decided to buy some Denon HEOS speaker systems (have 5) since the older systems were deeply discounted as they rolled out new products. Doesn't support AM (like SONOS) so I went back to Spotify--and have to say I did miss the thousands of user created playlists offered by Spotify. I was in the mood for some 60s and 70s music and found a playlist that had over 70 hours of music--wow--so I doubt I would go back to AM even if HEOS were to get it.
 
Doesn't support AM (like SONOS) so I went back to Spotify--and have to say I did miss the thousands of user created playlists offered by Spotify. I was in the mood for some 60s and 70s music and found a playlist that had over 70 hours of music--wow--so I doubt I would go back to AM even if HEOS were to get it.
Yep, same here. The wealth of user-generated playlists is Spotify's killer feature IMO. You can always find great lists even for the smallest niche genre. It's also the basis for the personalized Discover Weekly playlist, which produces absolutely amazing results for me. Here's an interesting article on how it works:

http://qz.com/571007/the-magic-that-makes-spotifys-discover-weekly-playlists-so-damn-good/
 
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You are all over the place, you asked me why I think think Apple Music is a fail. I gave you the reason, the reason is not 1 billion active devices, that is supporting fact, and I clearly explained to you why I think it's a fail.

You actually ignored my main point, cherry picked a paragraph out of context of my reply and started carrying on about Google, Amazon and Netflix....diversion mate.

How MANY more times do I have to state the reason I believe it's a fail, is cause it launched as a mess?? See you refuse to acknowledge the fundamental problem with the service and attack steaming music as the issue and customers not wanting it.

How about you reply to my main point, that AW launched as a mess of buggy software , bad UI , which turned many off it, as as a result Spotify gained .

Your second question. What number should not make it a fail? Ha ha ha are you serious ? you have missed my point entirely , the fail is not about the actual number, it's about launching a service that many view as equal or inferior to what is out there. A fail in my books is Spotify growing as a result of AW launching , where success would see AW grow steadily while Spotify loose subscribers .....

So shall we discuss the issue raised here by many, that AW has some serious usability and bugs issues that hold it back.....and even though apple pushes Apple Music actively to 1 billion active devices , it's competitor Spotify is actually growing , without pushing its service to the same user base. Simple advertising / markerting 101 advantage here.

or would you like to keep telling us 15 million out of 68 is about 22% of the share and it's amazing success ? And the problem is that people don't want to pay for music.

Look I get your point , and I do agree, most do not want to pay for streaming, that is common sense, though you would have to fail at usability to tell me Apple Music is designed well, has good UI, good navigation and does not suffer from bugs. If you honestly believe this, I will understand why my point is lost on you. And understand why you think the user is the problem.

So let's conclude this. You believe Apple Music is fine, and the populace jsut does not want paid steaming ? I believe Apple Music is a mess, even with an awesome advertising platform of a billion active devices it will not grow cause in a service category that is average at best at the moment, with Spotify and AW not offering anything special for people to commit $10 a month. I also believe AW will grow very fast once they sort it out, I like many have our music in iTunes, but are not jumping on AW until apple sorts it out (implementation is holding us back, and not $10 a month)

If Apple Music is full of bugs and has a terrible UI... you should have concluded with that.

You didn't need to bring "a billion active devices" into the conversation.

That's the part I didn't understand... yet you found it so important that you mentioned it five times.

I don't believe the number of active devices and the number of Apple Music subscriptions have anything to do with each other.

If Apple Music had zero bugs and a pleasant UI... more people would be using it, right?

But the number of active devices would still be the same.

So that's why I don't think the number of active devices should have been included in your evaluation.

You were trying to make some correlation between the number of active devices and the number of Apple Music subscribers.

But I don't think there is a relationship there. That's all I was saying :)
 
If Apple Music is full of bugs and has a terrible UI... you should have concluded with that.

You didn't need to bring "a billion active devices" into the conversation.

That's the part I didn't understand... yet you found it so important that you mentioned it five times.

I don't believe the number of active devices and the number of Apple Music subscriptions have anything to do with each other.

If Apple Music had zero bugs and a pleasant UI... more people would be using it, right?

But the number of active devices would still be the same.

So that's why I don't think the number of active devices should have been included in your evaluation.

You were trying to make some correlation between the number of active devices and the number of Apple Music subscribers.

But I don't think there is a relationship there. That's all I was saying :)

It's called conversion rate from markerting and advertising , which makes the active devices on which you are able to push these very important . I've worked with advertising for almost 10 years, the 1 billion active devices you can push these ads is a gold mine , though the conversion rate is awful.

I think you will Find having iTunes , and it being a sucessful program on Windows, was a reason iPod was sucessful. Apple Music could do the same for Apple sales. So I disagree with your assessment that the devices will remain the same.

Bottom line, I'll sign up when they get it sorted.
 
It's called conversion rate from markerting and advertising , which makes the active devices on which you are able to push these very important . I've worked with advertising for almost 10 years, the 1 billion active devices you can push these ads is a gold mine , though the conversion rate is awful.

I think you will Find having iTunes , and it being a sucessful program on Windows, was a reason iPod was sucessful. Apple Music could do the same for Apple sales. So I disagree with your assessment that the devices will remain the same.

Bottom line, I'll sign up when they get it sorted.

We know Apple Music is installed on every iPhone, iPad and Mac that leaves the factory.

If you're gonna say Apple Music adoption is poor... we might wanna see how it compares to other preinstalled services.

The only other platform that means anything today is Google Android... with billions of devices... but I doubt the Google Play Music conversion rate is better than Apple Music.

Spotify has twice as many subscribers as Apple and it's an additional download... but it also had the advantage of being around for many years. People have heard of it. It's tough to do a head-to-head comparison between any of these services.
 
We know Apple Music is installed on every iPhone, iPad and Mac that leaves the factory.

If you're gonna say Apple Music adoption is poor... we might wanna see how it compares to other preinstalled services.

The only other platform that means anything today is Google Android... with billions of devices... but I doubt the Google Play Music conversion rate is better than Apple Music.

Spotify has twice as many subscribers as Apple and it's an additional download... but it also had the advantage of being around for many years. People have heard of it. It's tough to do a head-to-head comparison between any of these services.

Not the same. Under android I get a variety of music players that access the android file system, where I copy my music. I'm not forced to use google music , I've never had google music force advertisements on me.

Apple is actively pushing advertising to its user base, and you have to use AW app or iTunes , AW built in , if you want full functionality

don't forget Netflix has some 80 million users, shows that when you get it right , people join.

Anyway , we see things differently, so let's agree to disagree on the sucess of AW .
 
we see things differently, so let's agree to disagree on the success of AM.

What is success?

Is 15 million paid subscribers in less than a year a success? That sure sounds like it to me.

Who else has done that? No one.

You can say Apple Music has bugs and a questionable UI... but that doesn't make it unsuccessful.

And it's certainly not a "fail" ;)
 
What is success?

Is 15 million paid subscribers in less than a year a success? That sure sounds like it to me.

Who else has done that? No one.

You can say Apple Music has bugs and a questionable UI... but that doesn't make it unsuccessful.

And it's certainly not a "fail" ;)

I consider it a fail, deal with it. I have a higher value of success than you. I'm sure had they for 7.5 million, you would be claiming it a success as its only the first year.

I'm not going to explain advertising / markerting 101. ;)

As I said , let's agree to disagree. Just enjoy it, I'll join maybe in a year or two when apple gets it right in my opinion
 
I consider it a fail, deal with it. I have a higher value of success than you.

Something is either a fail or it isn't. There's no gradation. :D

Apple Music is the #2 paid on-demand music streaming service in the world... yet you call it a fail.

So do you consider Tidal a fail? Google Play Music? Rhapsody?

Is anyone not named Spotify a failure?

Because... you know... Spotify has their own set of issues they're dealing with. ;)
 
Something is either a fail or it isn't. There's no gradation. :D

Apple Music is the #2 paid on-demand music streaming service in the world... yet you call it a fail.

So do you consider Tidal a fail? Google Play Music? Rhapsody?

Is anyone not named Spotify a failure?

Because... you know... Spotify has their own set of issues they're dealing with. ;)

In MY OPINION it's a fail........ Are you struggling with "my" or " opinion" or the combination ;) . "YOUR OPINION" its a success....see last line !

Apple Watch is 1st or second, I also consider it a failure. I own one. Another OPINION.

Lol, I'm not defending Spotify at all.....not once did I say they were a success.

You are failing to comprehend what I am saying, we are jsut wasting everyone's time.

Should I say for a 5th time, let's agree to disagree? seems after 5 attempts I get through.... ;)
 
I'm just trying to wrap my head around this.

Is anyone a success in streaming music?

I doubt you will ever get your head around the idea that something apple produces or launches is not a sucess .

It does not mean others do not have differing opinions, as this debate has proven.

Have a good night.
 
I doubt you will ever get your head around the idea that something apple produces or launches is not a sucess .

It does not mean others do not have differing opinions, as this debate has proven.

Have a good night.

I'm not saying everything Apple does is a success.

But if the #1 and #2 music streaming services are not a success... maybe the scale of measurement needs to be adjusted.

Good night to you too.
 
I use AM for the siri/OS integration, unlike spotify. Things might change with the siri api in ios10, but I love having my commute playlist ready to go when I turn on my car without having to lay a hand on my phone.
 
Spotify pay way less than Apple does - the CEO of Spotify is ultra rich while all the bands get paid pennies.....
Our label has been on iTunes since 2006 and none our artists will ever be on Spotify until this changes.
Pharrel Wiliams was paid $25,000 for 50 Million plays - that is shameful.
 
I am not interested in subscribers I am interested in profit. Spotify is losing large sums of money and its getting worse. Let me know when you can hash out if Apple is making or losing money on their service

The average user cares about profit, not quality and user experience.
 
How can a product work 200% of the time?
Good one--touche with the hyperbole. I happen to be a monthly Apple Music subscriber and experience annoying glitches that result in a less than perfect experience. Perhaps no streaming service is without its technical faults, I just happen to have experienced more with Apple Music versus Spotify. In the end I prefer Apple Music, so I deal with these random issues.
 
Every time I use Apple Music the Music app gets progressively slower and glitchier. It's like it punishes you for using the service.

The Spotify app is flawless, I have yet to encounter a single issue. And the design is better. It is by far the best constructed iOS app I've encountered.
I'd be delighted if Apple would focus, do their best work and deliver a version of Apple Music that's truly better than anything else on the market.

While this latest example of Apple Music does show signs of improvement, it's still not that great.

Apple Maps
Apple Music
Apple iCloud

This list of fairly mediocre software continues...
 
I'm not saying everything Apple does is a success.

But if the #1 and #2 music streaming services are not a success... maybe the scale of measurement needs to be adjusted.

Good night to you too.

Good morning sir.

I don't base sucess on X subscribers , I base it on using a product. And from this my opinion is formed. AW is a fail for me , it's not a good user experience . What made me switch to Apple was the user experience , which seems to have been completely thrown out in regards to the navigation and intuitive usability.
 
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