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This is getting ugly, and sadly it's the artists, the actual content producers, that are getting the worst deal in all of this.

How so? Money/marketing from Apple when they're exclusively with Apple Music, and better still when people stream their music from Apple, they actually earn money. No free tier.

Customers are okay: they can get Apple Music as long as they're one of the 99.6% of people who use iOS or Android.

This is only 'bad' because Apple saw what Spotify were doing, started to compete, and are doing quite well.
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How are these exclusives not the subject of investigation by the authorities - especially in Europe?

Last time I checked, concocting a monopoly out of a naturally competitive market was illegal in the UK. :rolleyes:

Not here, mate. If the EU is causing grief it won't affect us for much longer.
 
The reason it isn’t easy is because they have been giving it away for free for too long and anybody with 1/8 a clue knows a big percentage of users will leave once they start charging everybody. All they have as a selling point right now is a huge (mostly valueless) user base. Without that they are screwed.

As an extension, I’m fed up with the majority of the tech industry’s value being based on perception that probably won’t amount to anything tangible in most cases. I welcome its collapse. This is where it starts.

I have issues. Clearly.

Yeah... they're probably in too deep at this point.

If they got rid of the free tier... they'd lose 70 million users. That's bad.

But those users are also costing them money. So it would stop them from bleeding money. That's good.

Plus they'd still have the 30 million paying customers.

I would assume that Spotify could become profitable is they only had the 30 million paying customers to deal with.

It might actually solve their financial problems.

However... the bad publicity might harm them more than their financial woes ever did. That's probably why they can't simply kill the free tier.

What a mess!
 
To me, nobody's service tops Spotify. I just hope they don't screw themselves over because I want to keep giving them my money for a very long time.
 
Let 'em fight, I say. Who cares? I never believed this streaming music business model was that great for the customer, and this helps illustrate why. If you just BUY the songs or albums you like, you only pay the asking price that one time for them. Then you get them to do whatever you like with them. Copy them to your portable MP3 player, or keep them in a library on your network file server, perhaps -- or maybe add them to the hard drive in your car stereo. Keep backups on an external hard drive, or just use iTunes on your Mac as your master collection that gets backed up to Time Machine to keep it all safe. Whatever works!

With these subscription models, you only get to listen to what they keep up negotiations to keep online and stream-able for you. If you want to hear something they don't offer because of some feud with a competitor, you have to subscribe to a second (or third?) music service to access it.

Streaming music, IMO, encourages more of a mentality that music is disposable. It's good for the people who listen to whatever's popular or trendy that month, but don't care about it again after that. My collection of MP3 music includes a lot of stuff from as far as back as 50-55 years ago, to the present day, and I want to know that the tracks I liked enough to put in my collection are there to play any time I feel like hearing them. I don't want to find out that, "Sorry... That's not online anymore to stream. You must have listened to that on here at least a year or two ago because that's gone now. But hey.... check out this and this instead!"
 
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Let 'em fight, I say. Who cares? I never believed this streaming music business model was that great for the customer, and this helps illustrate why. If you just BUY the songs or albums you like, you only pay the asking price that one time for them. Then you get them to do whatever you like with them. Copy them to your portable MP3 player, or keep them in a library on your network file server, perhaps -- or maybe add them to the hard drive in your car stereo. Keep backups on an external hard drive, or just use iTunes on your Mac as your master collection that gets backed up to Time Machine to keep it all safe. Whatever works!

With these subscription models, you only get to listen to what they keep up negotiations to keep online and stream-able for you. If you want to hear something they don't offer because of some feud with a competitor, you have to subscribe to a second (or third?) music service to access it.

Streaming music, IMO, encourages more of a mentality that music is disposable. It's good for the people who listen to whatever's popular or trendy that month, but don't care about it again after that. My collection of MP3 music includes a lot of stuff from as far as back as 50-55 years ago, to the present day, and I want to know that the tracks I liked enough to put in my collection are there to play any time I feel like hearing them. I don't want to find out that, "Sorry... That's not online anymore to stream. You must have listened to that on here at least a year or two ago because that's gone now. But hey.... check out this and this instead!"

It's a good thing that both options are available to users.

You can buy songs if you want to... or you can stream songs if you prefer that instead.

Nobody stopped selling music when streaming become en vogue.
 
Let 'em fight, I say. Who cares? I never believed this streaming music business model was that great for the customer, and this helps illustrate why. If you just BUY the songs or albums you like, you only pay the asking price that one time for them. Then you get them to do whatever you like with them. Copy them to your portable MP3 player, or keep them in a library on your network file server, perhaps -- or maybe add them to the hard drive in your car stereo. Keep backups on an external hard drive, or just use iTunes on your Mac as your master collection that gets backed up to Time Machine to keep it all safe. Whatever works!

With these subscription models, you only get to listen to what they keep up negotiations to keep online and stream-able for you. If you want to hear something they don't offer because of some feud with a competitor, you have to subscribe to a second (or third?) music service to access it.

Streaming music, IMO, encourages more of a mentality that music is disposable. It's good for the people who listen to whatever's popular or trendy that month, but don't care about it again after that. My collection of MP3 music includes a lot of stuff from as far as back as 50-55 years ago, to the present day, and I want to know that the tracks I liked enough to put in my collection are there to play any time I feel like hearing them. I don't want to find out that, "Sorry... That's not online anymore to stream. You must have listened to that on here at least a year or two ago because that's gone now. But hey.... check out this and this instead!"
Yes to this whole post. What's wrong with actually buying music?
 
if i were a famous artist who's selling my music to both of Apple Music and Spotify, and spotify does this to me, i would stop signing any new album to sp and ask my friend to boycott spotify, since from which ican't earn money, and who is hurting me.
 
Customers are okay: they can get Apple Music as long as they're one of the 99.6% of people who use iOS or Android.
I had to check, but yeah, you can also get it on iTunes on Windows. So, technically, if you use iOS, Android, macOS, or Windows, you can subscribe and listen to Apple Music. So, maybe not 99.6% of the developed world, but yeah. Huge.
 
If you're spotify doesn't making music harder to find cause people to leave your service? I mean, that seems to be the most backwards retaliation to Apple Music.

Spotify: I know how to draw in customers! Let's bury popular artists in our search whenever Apple Music features them! that will definitely make our customers happy.

Customer: **** I can't seem to find the songs I want to listen to on Spotify. Oh good, Apple Music has them featured so I don't have to dig.

Yeah, that will work well...
 
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Yes to this whole post. What's wrong with actually buying music?
There's nothing wrong with it, per se, but if you're like me and only listen to a song or album a few times before moving on and listening to dozens of new artists every month, streaming is sure a heck of a lot more cost effective. For me, streaming is better, though when I come across albums I really like, I'll still buy them. It's almost like paying for a music discovery service so when I buy I know I'll like it.
 
There's nothing wrong with it, per se, but if you're like me and only listen to a song or album a few times before moving on and listening to dozens of new artists every month, streaming is sure a heck of a lot more cost effective. For me, streaming is better, though when I come across albums I really like, I'll still buy them. It's almost like paying for a music discovery service so when I buy I know I'll like it.
with VERY few exceptions I rarely purchase entire albums. I use Shazam to find out the name of a song and then I buy it on iTunes.
 
Like some others on here I use Apple Music for discovery and experimenting and then buy what I like based on that. The main thing that aggravates me about Apple Music is they completely removed any link to the iTunes Store from Apple Music which was there in the beginning. Why make buying songs more difficult? Now my most streamlined method is to Shazam the song playing on Apple Music and go to the iTunes store from the direct link on Shazam. Stupid. Even the Buy link on Pandora now goes to Apple Music instead of the iTunes store. Why?
 
A price war?

How dense is everyone to think that 10$ a month for an all you can eat music library is not impossibly low?

We have the family plan at 15$ a month and I feel guilty knowing how much less the artists are receiving.

The price of these services will never fall below $10 a month. Ever. Full stop.

While it is all you can eat music, it is not an unlimited music library meaning it doesn't have everything. The mere fact Apple keeps trying to negotiate exclusives tells you that.

Do I subscribe to Tidal to get Kanye's new album when he says it will never be on Apple Music? (it is now, but he contradicted himself in this occasion).

I am not going to subscribe to Apple Music, Spotify and Tidal at the same time just to listen to almost everything and again, almost because there are still plenty of bands and new releases not available on any service.

It's like saying, all you need is Netflix to watch movies. No. There are thousands of releases not on netflix. There are exclusives on all the services. Hulu paid 500 million just to keep Seinfeld away from Netflix for example.

So I reiterate; I want a price war. Also in the UK it's £9.99 not $10, that makes it $13.12 here but it has been as high as $14.50 and may go that high again. If it was $10 (£7.61) here I'd be more likely to sign up. Spotify here used to £5.99 a month until they raised prices to match Apple.
 
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Not sure why the exclusive nonsense is making such waves. I'll wait as long as I need to - not having to deal with the Trash that is Itunes will always be worth it.
 
This is getting ugly, and sadly it's the artists, the actual content producers, that are getting the worst deal in all of this.


Artists are benefitting from Apple. Paying for two week exclusives, subsidizing album promotion, and paying a higher royalty rate.
 
Wow, this forum is pretty bad. Spotify is unquestionably in the right here. Platform exclusives are despicable and some of the most egregiously anti-consumer behavior we see today. Any fight against it should be applauded.
The actions do make Spotify look like a petulant child stamping his foot because he can't get his way.

Hope the artists affected this way remove their music from Spotify and go Apple-Music only in retaliation.

You want to act like a spoilt brat, Spotify, get ready to be treated like a spoilt brat.
 
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Update: According to a Spotify spokesperson that spoke to MacRumors, Bloomberg's claim that Spotify has "buried" search results for songs of artists who have signed Apple Music exclusives is "unequivocally false."

Right, we believe you. It's not like you would admit it if it were true.
 
Spotify will lose in this fight. They want to boast their large user base and give away free listens...... well then keep losing money or change your model. Apple did
 
I would never join or leave a service over exclusives because for every artist doing that there are probably at least 100 comparable artists I can listen to instead. I’m at that age when the artists doing the exclusives probably aren’t my cup of tea. I still love current music. I’m just not in the demographic that loses their sh@! over the current top grossers.

I think that much hyped rapper (Frank Ocean, was it?) exclusive Apple released in the last week or so is a total yawn-fest and I like Hip Hop...among many other genres.
 
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