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The CEO of Universal dislikes them because they are bad for the CEO of Universal. You accuse me of fanboy-ism, but you just made a CEO-fanboy argument. How long have you been an admirer of music-company executives? Usually, when one of those fellas says something, I tend to believe the exact opposite; as the music companies are about the most abusive and crooked companies in the western world.

The CEO of Universal Music was also vehemently opposed to the end of copy protection on music, but his anger cooled when Apple let him charge $1.29 rather than .99.
 
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I guess I am getting old, I neither like Spotify nor Apple Music, I prefer real Radio which is free, sadly apple decided not to have a radio tuner app on the iPhone (read greed), the hardware is there.

Then you can continue to listen to "I ain't sorry" 50x a day on the 'free' radio"
 
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I don't have any amount of contempt for Apple users. I AM an Apple user. I despise the blind, childish fanboys, like you, and like half the thread, who stand up for anything and everything Apple does for no reason. You are the people who give the rest of us a bad name.

And you are massively, hilariously exaggerating the impact of this on users. It affects Spotify users in zero ways. Any band will still show up in search results if you search from them. Spotify can push some to the top of they want to, and they won't do that with bands that have exclusives with competitors. You will never ever ever notice this.
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Again, have you read any of these articles, or did you just come here to be angry? SPOTIFY'S STRATEGY IS ALREADY WORKING.

Mr. / Ms. Snippy,

Not angry one bit. If that tactic is true, my opinion stated is one that I think is a fair criticism of a tactic. Anger when typing however is typically reflected by using all caps as you did above. Calm down.
 
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Apple provides a large number of Spotify customers. And you can sign up at Apple and if you like it, sign up at Spotify for lower rates. They're using Apple for promotion and sales of their product. Demanding that Apple provides the service for free, or at a different rate than any other user of iTunes and the App Store is pure balderdash.

So Spotify protecting its business interests and profit margins is now considers to be balderdash? Do you own Apple shares or just believe no one else should exist or provide services and devices?
Apple should be seriously penalised for its practices towards Spotify whilst offering its own competing service. It's anti consumer.
 
Spotify is unquestionably in the right here.

Unquestionably? Maybe in a different universe.

But if Spotify is taking explicit actions against artist to affect their promotion in their catalog because they signed a deal with Apple, then that's not okay. Revenge is basically what that is
 
Seems weird that the labels would have agreed to a contract that would allow Spotify to manipulate search results as a negotiating tactic.
 
They're not bribing them in the same way Apple and Tidal are.


I'm trying to deconstruct your language to figure out what you are saying.

When I ask "what is Spotify doing that makes artists want to hurt them?", you respond "they are not bribing them." Now, the only thing I can imagine you mean by "not bribing" is "Spotify is not paying the artists for exclusives". Am I correct in that interpretation?

However, you previously said that artists are granting the exclusives specifically in order to hurt Spotify.

See the problem here? You are saying the artists are granting the exclusives in order to hurt Spotify, in revenge for Spotify not paying them for exclusives.

And then you use that to justify Spotify acting in retaliation.

Call me a fanboy, but you seem pretty loose on this cause-effect relationship concept.
 
Then you can continue to listen to "I ain't sorry" 50x a day on the 'free' radio"

Err, no, there's 1000's of free radio stations on the internet now, and for normal broadcast Radio, there are stations which won't play the same music over and over again, actually, I hate those stations.
 
Wow, this forum is pretty bad. Spotify is unquestionably in the right here. Platform exclusives are despicable and some of the most egregiously anti-consumer behavior we see today. Any fight against it should be applauded.

Let's look at the logic. An "exclusive" means a work is available from one source and not from another. You find that despicable. Spotify "punishes" the artist by hiding them from their platform. So suddenly not just an album, but everything by the artist is available from one source only and not from the other. And you don't find this despicable, but actually say it should be applauded.
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So Spotify protecting its business interests and profit margins is now considers to be balderdash?
You make me laugh. What profit margins is Spotify protecting? There are no profit margins.
 
In one corner, you have a relatively small company who's entire business is streaming music, loved by many, preferred by many and, until Apple decided to become a competitor, considered by even the biggest Apple fans as one of the very best at what they do.

In the other corner you have a gigantic corporation who has decided to add steaming music as yet another source of revenue to it's ever-growing empire.

The "David" in this particular tale is trying to survive against long odds (Goliath has unlimited financial resources, Goliath's competing solution is default on every iDevice sold, woven into the fundamental music playing app that everyone uses (probably first) when they first acquire an iDevice, etc). The "Goliath" is flexing it's massive muscles and wealth to pressure "David" into submission, killing a free service preferred by millions of our fellow consumers, etc. to, presumably, prop up the appeal of it's own music subscription service.

At another time, Apple played David and Wintel was Goliath. Of course we sided with the underdog in THAT situation. Are we so right... so certain that the David in THIS situation is the "villain" and Goliath is so very right? Sure, the details of this story paints this David in a bad light but think about why they are "punishing" artists. What is the driver of such "punishment"? Why would they take such an action that they know can be PR spun so obviously negative?

Because they ARE evil or stupid? Else, what else is in play here to motivate such action?
I understand the analogy. I just think that the tactic in play on Spotifys part in no way helps them defeat Goliath. It helps make the possible future downfall of David more possible.
 
Spotify is bigger than what you think they have power house investors.

Those powerhouses have "invested" $2.3 BILLION in total over the past 8 years. But when will they get that money back?

Venture capital should not be a source of income forever.

Yes... Spotify has been given some cash to play with... but they can't keep riding that train.

How big will Spotify be when their money dries up?
 
You make me laugh. What profit margins is Spotify protecting? There are no profit margins.

Exactly. Spotify's business model was doomed from the start. They never should have offered a free tier and they set the price of the pay tier way too low. They can barely afford to pay the rock bottom royalties as it is and left themselves zero wiggle room to compete. So what happens when a company comes along that doesn't need this line of business to be profitable to work? Well, this is what happens.
 
I think one thing in this thread should be made clear: just because one criticizes Spotify for employing a poisonous tactic doesn't make one an Apple fanboy. If Chevy sold cars that caught fire, and someone says "Hey Chevys cars shouldn't catch fire".... It would not make them a Ford zealot by default.
 
Fair enough. So buying exclusivity is totally kosher in the eyes of the law?

Is it a monopoly when a movie studio gives their movie to the theaters before releasing it to streaming services? Is it a monopoly when I can only watch a television show on one network?
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I think one thing in this thread should be made clear: just because one criticizes Spotify for employing a poisonous tactic doesn't make one an Apple fanboy. If Chevy sold cars that caught fire, and someone says "Hey Chevys cars shouldn't catch fire".... It would not make them a Ford zealot by default.

Fifty thumbs up for that.
 


Funny how Spotify never had any problems with exclusives when they had no competition. Now that the competition is eating their lunch they are standing up "for the fans"? Yeah, ok.
 
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Wow, this forum is pretty bad. Spotify is unquestionably in the right here. Platform exclusives are despicable and some of the most egregiously anti-consumer behavior we see today. Any fight against it should be applauded.

That's some serious hyperbole... Exclusives have been around for ages. One platform getting access a week or 2 early is not egregious anti-consumer behavior.

Hurting your own customers by burying artists in search results is not only bad for users but just bad business. Spotify already has a poor reputation amongst artists and this obviously won't help.
 
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Is it a monopoly when a movie studio gives their movie to the theaters before releasing it to streaming services? Is it a monopoly when I can only watch a television show on one network?
I think so.

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But I see what you're getting at.
 
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