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Canada is one of the WORST countries in the world with telecommunications. Limited bandwidth, slow speeds and amongst the highest rates in the world for some of the worst service out there.

Don't have to remind me. I'm in Ontario. One of the most expensive provinces for this stuff too.

Bell, Roger's and Telus have a permanent oligopoly of ALL media in Canada. Between the 3 of them they not only own approximately 95% of tellecommunications infrastructure, but probably close to 80% of all media productions, transmission and services. They own the sports franchise. They own the news agencies. They own the copper wires that its all transmitted on, and they own the devices and services the enduser has to use.

and because there's only 3 of them, they have all their prices and conditions set exactly the same, and set higher than most international companies.

we really need some real competition in the TelCom industry here. Desperately. My cell phone bill alone went from $55/mth to $90/mth on my last renewal for the identical service... because "innovation"
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hahahahaha. I don't think anyone could have said it better.

On reddit you'd get a life time supply of gold with that statement lol
I'll save it for reddit on a later date. You can go ahead and use it if you wish :)
 
Care to go into any detail?
In an earlier post I commented about how I didn't like apple tv and the apple streaming ecosystem because it's too apple centric and I don't like it. It would be great to use the apple branded music/video apps with a chromecast or perhaps stream the music to a video game console like spotify can. But instead of something the size of a USB flash drive I have to buy a clunky apple tv? no thanks.
 
In my opinion, Google Music is the best bang for you buck. For $9.99, you get Google Music and Youtube Red, which allows you to download youtube videos to watch offline and play youtube in the background.
 
Don't have to remind me. I'm in Ontario. One of the most expensive provinces for this stuff too.

Bell, Roger's and Telus have a permanent oligopoly of ALL media in Canada. Between the 3 of them they not only own approximately 95% of tellecommunications infrastructure, but probably close to 80% of all media productions, transmission and services. They own the sports franchise. They own the news agencies. They own the copper wires that its all transmitted on, and they own the devices and services the enduser has to use.

and because there's only 3 of them, they have all their prices and conditions set exactly the same, and set higher than most international companies.

we really need some real competition in the TelCom industry here. Desperately. My cell phone bill alone went from $55/mth to $90/mth on my last renewal for the identical service... because "innovation"
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I'll save it for reddit on a later date. You can go ahead and use it if you wish :)

It's completely robbery in Canada, I'm in ontario too but switched to Wind and use Teksavvy at home for internet. I've been pushing hard for all my friends and family to switch away from the 'big three'. Thankfully I spend 99.99% of my time within Wind zones so Im almost never out of service, but for the relative price im paying ($45.20 w/ tax) I can't complain... especially since its unlimited everything.

I wish some politician had some balls and put an end to this oligopoly.
 
It's completely robbery in Canada, I'm in ontario too but switched to Wind and use Teksavvy at home for internet. I've been pushing hard for all my friends and family to switch away from the 'big three'. Thankfully I spend 99.99% of my time within Wind zones so Im almost never out of service, but for the relative price im paying ($45.20 w/ tax) I can't complain... especially since its unlimited everything.

I wish some politician had some balls and put an end to this oligopoly.

Unfortunately where I live, Wind doesn't have network. so i'd be roaming onto Rogers anyways. (i'm about 30 minutes outside Toronto)

I will eventually switch my phone from Bell (believe it or not, WORSE than rogers) when they no longer honour my $55 plan. But I will admit, as much as Roger's frustrates the hell out of most of us, They must have some note on my account because everytime I call, they give me exactly what I've asked for. They just gave me NHL GameCentre live for free for the 4th straight year, and when I did call to leave to go to TekSaavy, they actually came back with a cheaper, and faster service than I was originally on!
 
I've tried Spotify, Google Play Music, and Apple Music, and even if I wasn't in the Apple ecosystem I would still like Apple Music best. I was never one who complained about the design from day one like some others, but the new design is very nice.
 
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Thanks, I probably would have figured that out only unintentionally some day when failing the swipe to open the control center. Why didn't they put any indicator for the hidden content there?!
kind of surprised me; i actually did discover it by accident
 
Spotify works quite well on a 2016 flagship phone with a 3.5mm audio pin.

Given apple's blatant profit-over-usefullness move on the iPhone 7, "Apple" and "Music" don't belong in the same sentence.

Apple Music also works on 2016 flagship phones with 3.5 audio jacks. In your haste to make a snide remark, you forgot AM is not exclusive to iPhones.
 
I always find these threads entertaining because people arguing for/protecting their preferred service. At the end of the day, both services work as intended (given the millions of subscribers) and each has their own flaws. Why can't we all just get a long?

:D
 
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I always find these threads entertaining because people arguing for/protecting their preferred service. At the end of the day, both services work as intended (given the millions of subscribers) and each has their own flaws. Why can't we all just get a long?

:D

Because Apple wants to see the complete destruction of every competitor. Think 1984... you know, like their commercial back in the day... (only they've become everything they've opposed).
 
I always find these threads entertaining because people arguing for/protecting their preferred service. At the end of the day, both services work as intended (given the millions of subscribers) and each has their own flaws. Why can't we all just get a long?

:D

This is the internets. Go 'way with your logic and reasoning. Back to the regular scheduled fanboi rage!
 
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Spotify works quite well on a 2016 flagship phone with a 3.5mm audio pin.

Given apple's blatant profit-over-usefullness move on the iPhone 7, "Apple" and "Music" don't belong in the same sentence.
LOL people really need to stop "white knuckling" those headphone wires and that jack. It's not good for their health. Wireless for the win.
 
Don't worry about getting a response, Chew Toy McCoy. As always, here we have lots of Apple complainers that don't really use Apple products but are eager to let us know, the real Apple users, that we don't know some random cheap stuff is better for THEM.



I think another common situation is somebody tries something early on, proudly hates the experience, never tries it again, and then continues to rail on it for years to come.
 
LOL people really need to stop "white knuckling" those headphone wires and that jack. It's not good for their health. Wireless for the win.

I'm not white knuckling it. It's a 100% deal breaker for me. The iP7 is not even a consideration for me. No stress, no issue, easy decision.
 
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Because it's cross platform. If Apple would release Apple Music on android I think it would be a hit.
 
Considering I'm considered a Spotify User (cause I'm the Fido plan (I'm in Canada) that includes it for 2 years when you get a new phone), but certainly AM NOT paying $10 a month for that; I wonder how much money they're really making per user? From people like me, probably less than $5 (maybe even less than $3). Apple doesn't have such deals so that alone makes a big difference in install base.

BTW, there is A LOT of music missing, even old songs, from Spotify.
In fact, at least 35% of my own mp3s are nowhere to be found in Spotify (depends on genre and how recent they are). This is really annoying.
 
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Anybody understands Itunes' UI? I would love to start using Apple music services again but i would need to study and understand the interface and programs. Spotify and others are a million times easier.
 
I'm not white knuckling it. It's a 100% deal breaker for me. The iP7 is not even a consideration for me. No stress, no issue, easy decision.
Truthfully did you think Apple would keep it around forever? Do you think other manufacturers will keep it forever? Have you thoroughly tried different wireless options and offerings? If so, what do you have against wireless?
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What's Apple music?? o_O
What is Spotify???
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i feel so fortunate to not have any issues with all these services.
Me too.
 
With the new improved Apple Music UI, can't think of one advantage of using Spotify

Here's one. They have a free tier. If you ever want to shut off the subscription temporarily you can do it and your playlists all still work just with ads. Resubscribe and it's all good. Not so with Apple Music.

Another: iTunes on my PC is still slow AF where Spotify is light and fast.

Another: I can load Spotify client on as many clients as I need... with iTunes I have to authorize/de-authorize if I go over the device limit.

I Love Apple, but Apple Music just didn't work for me...
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The killer Spotify feature for me is being able to go to https://play.spotify.com and having the full Spotify experience right there in my browser, no apps required. That's just great at work, or when you're using someone else's computer. The curated weekly playlists like "New Music Friday", "Release Radar" and "Discover Weekly" are also just fantastic in quality and I always look forward to them.

Holy crap I didn't even know this existed. Thanks!
 
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