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Why would any company actively work to make their competition be MORE competitive against them?
I've read an interesting idea somewhere else about the 30% and cases like Spotify.
I understand that Apple's position as the device provider puts their own paid services in the forefront on said devices. For non-tech-savvy people on iPhones who just want a Music streaming service, it's a lot easier to set-up Apple Music than it is to go the Spotify route.
Maybe for subscription-based services where Apple offers a paid direct competitor (Apple Music, iCloud Storage (?), soon Fitness+), the cut should be reduced to a minimum (I don't think it should be 0% either, since Apple provides easy access/payment to all its customers), giving a better chance to other services to at least compete on price. It is then their job to differentiate their service to incentivize going with theirs over/on top of Apple's.
Not sure about Apple TV+ in this scenario, as it is original programming, so although they compete in the video streaming market, if someone wants to watch Ozark, they don't have a (legal) choice but to get Netflix. But if someone want to listen to the latest Dua Lipa song, it'll be the same on pretty much every music streaming platform, so price is important. I still think Spotify should find something to differentiate themselves better if they want to survive, though.
Then Google should do the same with Android...
N.B. That wouldn't do anything for Epic. Even though Apple has Arcade and therefore provides games, 1) it doesn't have IAP/DLC in Arcade games, so the type of game is pretty different 2) like with Apple TV+ content vs. Prime Video vs. Netflix, the games provided are all unique and provide their own potential draw, whereas Music libraries are mostly the same from service to service.
I understand that Apple's position as the device provider puts their own paid services in the forefront on said devices. For non-tech-savvy people on iPhones who just want a Music streaming service, it's a lot easier to set-up Apple Music than it is to go the Spotify route.
Maybe for subscription-based services where Apple offers a paid direct competitor (Apple Music, iCloud Storage (?), soon Fitness+), the cut should be reduced to a minimum (I don't think it should be 0% either, since Apple provides easy access/payment to all its customers), giving a better chance to other services to at least compete on price. It is then their job to differentiate their service to incentivize going with theirs over/on top of Apple's.
Not sure about Apple TV+ in this scenario, as it is original programming, so although they compete in the video streaming market, if someone wants to watch Ozark, they don't have a (legal) choice but to get Netflix. But if someone want to listen to the latest Dua Lipa song, it'll be the same on pretty much every music streaming platform, so price is important. I still think Spotify should find something to differentiate themselves better if they want to survive, though.
Then Google should do the same with Android...
N.B. That wouldn't do anything for Epic. Even though Apple has Arcade and therefore provides games, 1) it doesn't have IAP/DLC in Arcade games, so the type of game is pretty different 2) like with Apple TV+ content vs. Prime Video vs. Netflix, the games provided are all unique and provide their own potential draw, whereas Music libraries are mostly the same from service to service.
Out of principle, I will never use Spotify again. They complain too much instead of focusing on improving their product offering. It tells me what kind of management and business philosophy they have.
It's comments like this that make anyone developing for Apple's platform very nervous.
Especially if Apple decides to create their own product to compete with an existing 3rd party dev.
Tell that to Netflix. As of this writing, Spotify stock is up 85% YoY. They're not profitable but investors sure seem to think they will be. I think the jury's still out.
I've tried Spotify. The user interface is awful, and since I started out on Itunes 10+ years ago, it was just easier to integrate. If Spotify was worried about bundles, didn't they just have a bundle with Hulu a year ago? How did that work out?
Why is it companies (I include apple in this) bring out these new and cool features, but always fail to make those features better. Focus on improving your program, Spotify, and then people might actually come back.
Why is it companies (I include apple in this) bring out these new and cool features, but always fail to make those features better. Focus on improving your program, Spotify, and then people might actually come back.
I think this thread has lots of examples of people who prefer Spotify over Apple Music, so there's obviously a market out there for it, as well as YouTube Music and Amazon Music.
Exactly. Music streaming is a BIG pie. Just because Apple Music is doing well, that doesn't mean Spotify can't as well. And let's remember, there are vast, vast numbers of people who live their whole technological lives outside the Apple ecosystem.
I myself am a very avid user of Apple hardware and services but still prefer Spotify. I'm definitely not the only one!
So why is Spotify complaining. They too have offered bundles in the past. The Music space is a very competitive Market and Apple is taking advantage of what services they have.
Because its easy to copy. Snapchat was ruined when FB literally copied stories for Instagram. They are trying to do the same thing with Reels and it might work.
spotify came out with a revolutionary idea and apple is copying it then using their other products to make it successful
You mean like Google copied it as well? And Amazon?
You mean like Samsung did the iPhone?
I've had Spotify, and I have Apple Music. If Apple Music didn't exist, I wouldn't have Spotify now.
Because it’s good... you can’t include it in a package? What are you saying? That’s the whole point of packaging services...
Spotify wouldn't be complaining if they had a lot ton of customers. They have a high fear of going out of business after today's announcement so there aren't as many Spotify loyalists as you may think.
I saw a statement from Peloton on CNBC today which seemed they took things in stride. Spotify should be more like peloton. I get they are afraid to go out of business, but They are not the only competitor in the streaming world. I mean look at Google and Youtube Music. I wouldn't be surprised if Google started bundling some of their services in response, and then what does Spotify do. Also Spotify is going after Apple's Podcast market, taking in a lot of exclusivities like Joe Rogan. I think they are going to be fine in the long run.
Well you're more hopeful for Spotify than Spotify even is. Spotify isn't even on the same level as Google. Google "owns" the internet. They have too much clout, power and services to offer. Spotify is partnering with other companies who may very well jump ship if Spotify has nothing more to offer but their music. Podcasts are dwindling in popularity so I don't see where this is going to help Spotify.
Today's announcement/attack from Spotify was nothing more than damage control. They should build their products and services rather than just complaining about Apple like a child. Nothing Spotify complained about today was warranted and furthermore I kinda think they made this big stink today because Epic received a lot of attention (even though it wasn't good for them) and Spotify wants attention so they won't be overshadowed and forgotten after Apple's announcement. Pathetic Spotify.
No its not an uphill battle. They dominate the marked and synonymous with the music industry by now. They have exclusive podcasts. For Apple this is an uphill battle. That is reason they come with a great bundle!
Spotify did not come up with the idea of unlimited streaming. Rhapsody was doing it years earlier than Spotify. Spotify created the freemium version of unlimited streaming, which Apple didn’t copy.
Yeah sure. But Apple doesn't care. It's not a company based on "care".
It's all about crushing the opponent.
They pretend to care in their ads and any information that goes out to the public.
That's their image because enough people buy into it.
Behind the scenes they are unbelievably greedy.
It's all about crushing the opponent.
They pretend to care in their ads and any information that goes out to the public.
That's their image because enough people buy into it.
Behind the scenes they are unbelievably greedy.
Spotify isn't anti-competetive because it doesn't control the platform it's operating on. How is that not obvious?
If Spotify, with its own music label, began actively promoting its music over other artists on its own platform, THAT would be anti-competetive.
I haven’t used Spotify in a while, but they used to heavily promote Spotify only material like Spotify concerts.