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Spotify Says Apple One Bundle Will Cause 'Irreparable Harm to Developer Community'

KidAKidB said:
Amazon Music is hardly a huge player in the music field. Apple Music is #2 and by bundling it Apple is leveraging itself to an unfair advantage.
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That's what I was about to say. I've had Amazon Prime for about 12 years.

The handicapped version of Amazon Prime Music provided free to Amazon Prime members is quite lacking. At least half of the music that I want are not on there, unless I pay extra to go to Amazon Music Unlimited. which I have never been willing to do.. instead, I subscribe to Google Play Music, now YouTube Music... because, surprisingly, a lot of music are not on Spotify or Apple Music.

I think it's a big conspiracy because all these giant tech companies refuse to offer one solution for everything. They want people to buy service from all of them. They are basically a mega cartel.
 
Rudy69 said:
How is it different than something like Amazon Prime?
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No different at all.

Spotify, please, cry me a river.

The truth of the matter is that a stand-alone music subscription service is not a viable business because you really cannot differentiate all that much from other services and the margins are too thin. Folks like Google, Amazon and Apple can all bundle music with other services -- Amazon has been doing it for a long time (along with video streaming).

Heck, mobile phone carriers have been creating bundles for data service with streaming music and streaming video -- some with exclusive deals so that 100% of that carrier's customers can be diverted to a competitors music service for free with their data.

If Spotify wants to compete they need to cut some deals with mobile carriers or other services (e.g.: Netflix) to offer bundles of their own -- not cry for the government to defend their failing business model.
 
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Lounge vibes 05 said:
If this is anti-competitive, then so is Amazon prime, and so is Spotify. Spotify has several partners that get you free months, or free unlimited access to their premium subscriptions if you have a certain carrier, or you buy a certain vehicle, etc. How is this any different?
Maybe Spotify should partner with epic games and make some type of fortnight Spotify premium service.
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Id agree with that even more so, they buy up Podcasters, (which generally put out their content for free already) exclusively to their service and require you to use their application in order to listen to them. Something everyone was afraid of Apple doing. Apple never did, they may have been one of the more popular podcatchers out there when they put Podcasting support into iTunes. Heck they may have even had folks create unique podcasts to be shown in iTunes but I don't recall (and I was a podcaster back in early 2007-2014) Apple ever doing what Spotify is doing now.

Of course most of these podcasters do allow their fans and listeners to access their show but usually through other means like Patreon so you can use the service/app you want to listen with of course for a monthly fee.

Someone call the Whambulance for Spotify please.
 
”Spotify, meanwhile, has to pay Apple's 30 percent cut to provide access to a premium subscription purchase on an Apple device.”

Yes, but probably pretty much nobody does that because Spotify is charging $13 per month if you use in-app purchase, aren’t they?

I used Spotify for years and never paid a dime to Apple. Just pay directly to Spotify.
 
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Yeah people don‘t have to purchase the bundles they can still go a la carte. It would be different if the only options were bundles. As for me this works great cause I had all these services already and just conveniently rolls them into one price and will include Fitness +
 
bobmans said:
So Spotify is mad because Apple Music now is way more interesting for customers because of the cheaper bundles?
Screw Spotify, maybe they should rethink how they do business and get similar bundles with other services for their customers.
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You know what would be a game changer? If you could earn DRM free copies of the songs you listened to the most. Or exclusive recordings for people that listened to an album x number of times. In the race to provide the biggest library of music they have marginalized the value of it and now music is all about the UX and the devices it works with. Apple adding music controls to fitness workouts is innovation I can see value in. What has Spotify done? Signed new deals? They are expected to grow their library. That's not impressive.
 
I don’t know why they are whining about this so called bundle/family plans. I don’t see the benefit of this cause I’d be paying this full for sure. My girlfriend won’t share the cost with me 🤣
 
The first world elite companies always crying - Apple and Google both spend endless amounts of money developing these platforms and all the third party guys can do is cry cry cry. If you build a better product (phone, app, os etc), people will flock to your service. Is AppleOne good for the consumer -yes. Does it hurt developers - NO!!! It pushes these developers to keep looking for ways to make a better product.

My sister has Spotify and she likes it.
I have Apple Music and I like it
Do I plan on getting an AppleOne sub, darn right! As I am the house hold IT specialist it makes my life easier - I already have most of what they offer subbed anyway.
 
tomi03 said:
Spotify is way better than Apple Music which is ****, Apple TV which is dead for me since all the tv series suck so Netflix ftw, and I already have onedrive better than broken iCloud on Catalina.
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I still haven't found much of anything to watch on Netflix. Perhaps, if I was a couch potato, it would be more interesting.

Apple TV hasn't exactly moved me but I've only seen Defending Jacob and that was really good. The rest of what they have doesn't even seem appealing.
 
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Spotify is just trying to make some news for themselves since they have nothing to share today.
 
JCCL said:
Maybe just maybe it is because, Apple produces the Hardware, the OS and bundle their services, while Amazon does not.......just a little "maybe"
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And the reason for that is Amazon's phone flopped, so its only companies thats successful are bad?
 
Spotify whining again, what a joke! If I had a paid subscription, I would ditch them, tired of their &*T(&(T. Someone please tell them that they have the dominant position in streaming services, and are using that position to dominate podcasting as well.

Maybe they should have a news service (that nobody uses) too, and get in the video streaming business and exercise apps, then they could create Spotify One.

Are they really serious to think that a competitor's offering is going to damage them? See part about they have the dominant streaming position.

Shameless, completely shameless.

However, It would be good to see Netflix team up with a Music service and offer the two at an attractive price
 
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BC2009 said:
No different at all.

Spotify, please, cry me a river.

The truth of the matter is that a stand-alone music subscription service is not a viable business because you really cannot differentiate all that much from other services and the margins are too thin. Folks like Google, Amazon and Apple can all bundle music with other services -- Amazon has been doing it for a long time (along with video streaming).

Heck, mobile phone carriers have been creating bundles for data service with streaming music and streaming video -- some with exclusive deals so that 100% of that carrier's customers can be diverted to a competitors music service for free with their data.

If Spotify wants to compete they need to cut some deals with mobile carriers or other services (e.g.: Netflix) to offer bundles of their own -- not cry for the government to defend their failing business model.
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Spotify cannot match Apple in price with any bundle because they have to pay Apple 30% on top of it. So either they can deploy a service that is 30% better or they're screwed.

Comparisons with Amazon Prime are laughable. Apple One is a first party service with preeminence all over iOS devices in terms of positioning, communication and integration with the ecosystem, apart from the mentioned price advantage.

And let's not start with Apple's "special deals" with Amazon that other developers are not getting.

Spotify is right in their claim and Apple is due for the regulatory hammer.
 
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bousozoku said:
I'm not sure that Apple has enough to offer to make these deals interesting.
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It all depends upon what you like.

I already subscribe to three of the services in the Family Basic Plan, so I'll actually save money by bundling them, and get a service for free on top of that.

The Premium bundle may be of interest to me next year, since I could upgrade to more cloud storage and gets News+ for free.

Different strokes for different folks.
 
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