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Spotify Shares Its Vision for In-App Purchases Ahead of EU Regulation
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AppStore dispute goes both ways. Apple took advantage of its ecosystem and sipping off competitors' revenue with its 15 - 30% fee.
Spotify and all other big apps also can be said to take advantage of massive AppStore user base and try to leverage their position with sideloading apps (and, ultimately annulling AppStore fee). This is a complex situation in which both has their own argument and both sides are not wrong.
Spotify and all other big apps also can be said to take advantage of massive AppStore user base and try to leverage their position with sideloading apps (and, ultimately annulling AppStore fee). This is a complex situation in which both has their own argument and both sides are not wrong.
If you end up being fleeced by rogue apps, I imagine you can still get your credit card company to get back the payments.
Er … that’s precisely what they would do.
Just Because you suffer from Stockholm Syndrome, doesn’t mean everyone else does.
At least have the decency to own your victimhood.
The user base for MacOS is different. It tends to be a lot more tech savvy. The iOS user base is predominantly made up of people whose technical nonce doesn’t go much beyond setting up a TV set. They’re a lot more likely to fall for scams, or find themselves paying for subscriptions they can’t cancel. To be honest, there’s enough of that on the App Store as it is. With companies opening up their own stores, this will become a flood.
Then the EU will just carry on tweaking the rules.
… Or just leave them a halxbaked mess like they did with web cookies.
Or maybe enough people did precisely that and signalled that they do preferred a walled garden ecosystem over android.
For them, the inability to sideload is a feature, not a bug.
I despise Spotify with passion. For me, as an European, spotify is an example of everything that is wrong with EU and Europe in general.
So according to Spotify, they’ll inundate existing users in the EU with fantastic offers and discounts..?
Why should it? Spotify isn’t paying Apple anything currently. All subscriptions are made directly through their website, bypassing iTunes and their 30% cut.
And nobody is forcing them to side load, so why are they wanting to restrict the freedom of others to do so if they choose?
Thanks for the personal insult.
But why do you care what others do? Nobody is forcing anyone to leave their walled garden.
I could ask these people the same question. If they like sideloading so much, why not just get an android phone, rather than come onto my platform and change the things that I like and have grown accustomed to?
I have also posted countless times why I feel that sideloading is not a victimless act. It’s not so straightforward as “you don’t have to use it if you don’t like it” and everyone gets their way and is happy at the end of the day.
An example which I have shared numerous times (and which I am happy to share as many times as it takes is the incidence of malware.
Android malware scam victims lost more than S$10 million in first half of 2023: Police
Over 750 cases of Android malware-related scams were reported in the first half of 2023, including 11 cases involving the unauthorised withdrawal of Central Provident Fund savings.
Not saying iPhone users can’t fall prey to scams, but it says something when this particular scam affects only android users via a feature that wasn’t previously available on iOS. And Facebook is now looking to bring the same “feature” to iOS.
Or to put it another way, your “freedom” will be built on the millions of dollars scammed from users who will likely end up falling prey to malware once this becomes available in the EU, or maybe even elsewhere in the world if the practice ever becomes widespread.
Then make it relatively convoluted to enable so only the more tech savvy will do it?
Ans quite a few not so tech savvy users on the Android side too.
I can understand this happens, but is it really that common if looking at the amount of Android devices that are out there? I’ve never heard of anyone in my surroundings getting malware in their phone.I could ask these people the same question. If they like sideloading so much, why not just get an android phone, rather than come onto my platform and change the things that I like and have grown accustomed to?
I have also posted countless times why I feel that sideloading is not a victimless act. It’s not so straightforward as “you don’t have to use it if you don’t like it” and everyone gets their way and is happy at the end of the day.
An example which I have shared numerous times (and which I am happy to share as many times as it takes is the incidence of malware.
Android malware scam victims lost more than S$10 million in first half of 2023: Police
Over 750 cases of Android malware-related scams were reported in the first half of 2023, including 11 cases involving the unauthorised withdrawal of Central Provident Fund savings.www.channelnewsasia.com
Not saying iPhone users can’t fall prey to scams, but it says something when this particular scam affects only android users via a feature that wasn’t previously available on iOS. And Facebook is now looking to bring the same “feature” to iOS.
Or to put it another way, your “freedom” will be built on the millions of dollars scammed from users who will likely end up falling prey to malware once this becomes available in the EU, or maybe even elsewhere in the world if the practice ever becomes widespread.
I have.Then make it relatively convoluted to enable so only the more tech savvy will do it?
Ans quite a few not so tech savvy users on the Android side too.
I can understand this happens, but is it really that common if looking at the amount of Android devices that are out there? I’ve never heard of anyone in my surroundings getting malware in their phone.
I don’t know anybody around me falling prey to this either (or maybe they did but didn’t want to admit it). But my local newspaper was basically reporting a new victim or two every week, to the point where even our police force issued an advisory on this. Even my banks have updated their banking app to not work if they detect the presence of sideloaded apps on one’s device.
It took over my local news cycle for quite a few months last year. I mean, you look at reports of people losing their entire life savings to this and you wonder “Apple solved this in 2007 and now people want to reintroduce a new vector of attack for malware and I am supposed to welcome this with open arms?”
Bad take, this and every one like it.
Imagine if target charged an extra 30% on top of your monthly internet bill, just because you bought your router at target; if Ford or BMW asked for 30% of every bit of gas you buy to fuel your car; if your TV's maker charged you 30% extra for your monthly TV, Netflix and Hulu subscriptions, just because they built the device you're using those services on.
Yes, hosting and providing data transfer (downloads) takes some resources, no it isn't free - but the upkeep is so, SO much cheaper than running a retail store. Retail means paying rent, employees, stocking product which (unlike digital goods) take up a lot of warehouse space, with remaining unsold stock (unlike digital goods) being a net loss for the store that has invested into that product.
Running the data centres surely makes up for the bulk of its total cost to Apple. The App Store also needs employees for auditing, moderation, new features and maintenance, but you might well be able to run that whole thing with as many people as a small handful of retail stores would need. Yet, they charge as much of a fee as any retailer.
Never heard of anything like that myself, not in the news nor per word of mouth.
When I used Android, I did occasionally download apps that wound up spamming me with notification ads that were hard to get rid of, and that didn't tell me which app was sending them. Most of these came straight from the play store, twice it happened when sideloading an APK from some shady website.
Couldn't tell that there was anything going on in the background - as soon as I deleted the app in question, everything would go back to normal. Annoying, yes, shady, yes, but not more than that.
They've shortened the sequence to show the checkout flow for premium individual, family and audiobooks.
When you tap the 'explore premium' button. It lays out all of the available plans on one screen, including trials and promotions.
It literally couldn't be any clearer.
