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Spotify Subscribers No Longer Allowed to Pay Through App Store

sw1tcher said:
You sure have a strange way of seeing things.

With Apollo, you were more than happy to see them shut down because Christian is just a freeloader.



But when it comes to Spotify, you think Apple deserves their 30% cut. No freeloading off Spotify's hard work whatsoever.
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It's all about choice. If I choose to go thru Apple I should be able to. They are taking the choice away and that makes them a crapy company.
 
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Given Netflix's cracking family sharing set the bar so low, Spotify is probably still on the good side of many ppl.
 
lkrupp said:
Really? You think digital goods don't have supply constraints? It’s just a couple of servers in a back room that, once turned loose, just work without expenses or management. Tell me, now much does Apple pay Akamai for the App Store bandwidth? How many Apple employees are dedicated to the operation of the App Store? I guess you also would like the government to regulate profit margins.

Oh never mind, ignorance is bliss.
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Not enough because when I "Get" an app, it seems to take forever.

Also, a supply restraint would mean Apple doesn't have access to more servers. We know that is not the case. A normal supply constraint in manufacturing is where a resource is not available at all or at far less quantity than you need.

With a $3 TRILLION dollar valuation, I'm pretty sure Apple can scratch up enough cash to buy more servers.
 
xander49x said:
It's all about choice. If I choose to go thru Apple I should be able to. They are taking the choice away and that makes them a crapy company.
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You're excuse is just argumentative at best and makes zero logical sense other than what a 5 year old would say -- "because I want to".

What does it matter how you pay or is how you are in life whenever things change?
 
coolfactor said:
I do feel that it's time for Apple to reduce the rates. Yes, they need to cover credit card fees that they pay, but do they need an extra 10-25% on top of that? No. 5% would be reasonable given their transaction volume. That's how the market works, but in the case of digital goods, there are no supply constraints. The supply is virtually unlimited.
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Data duplication
Accounting for all transactions and holding that data for tax purposes for years
Servers, hard drives, power, networking (switches, routers, cabling, etc)
The for that number of servers they need cooling, I saw a presentation about the super computer made up of G4 servers, they had a 1 Mega Watt cooling system.
Then of course they do all of this for free for free Apps
Regional legal systems, censorship ratings, currency conversions
Then there all the people who get paid to run the system, keep it running, adding in new files/data/apps/etc
Managers, accountants, lawyers.

So yeah, this is not just a home server, and because of that there is a LOT more costs that you fail to think about.
 
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ksec said:
If you believed Macrumor's Apple supporter comments, Apple Music should have obliviated Spotify 5 - 6 years ago.
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Spotify has 44.4 million paying customers, Apple Music has 32.6 million. Which is not too bad considering Spotify was the defecto streaming service. Apple have embraced music more, with famous artists hosting regular shows on the three radio stations, compared to Spotify who have put their money into podcasts like Joe Rogan.
 
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coolfactor said:
I do feel that it's time for Apple to reduce the rates. Yes, they need to cover credit card fees that they pay, but do they need an extra 10-25% on top of that? No. 5% would be reasonable given their transaction volume. That's how the market works, but in the case of digital goods, there are no supply constraints. The supply is virtually unlimited.
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What is your basis for your "feeling?"

I also don't understand what empowers you to decide what is reasonable for Apple to charge, how much they should get on top of fee recovery, etc. I don't think you know nearly enough, if anything, about Apple's internal and external costs operating Apple Music and payment systems, to say any of that.

What is you background to know about such a business' finances and costs or is it all just based on what you feel?
 
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erikkfi said:
So Apple should be allowed to distort the market such that competitors' services must be priced uncompetitively so they can get their desired cut?
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That is a pretty incredible twist of what the person you replied to said. They said no such thing and there is no evidence that is what they meant. They suggested two tier pricing based on the payment method chosen voluntarily by user.

If there is a distortion in the two comments, I don't think it is in his comment.
 
tripsync said:
and then you'll be forced to install Microsoft Store to continue using Microsoft Office
install Battle.net to continue playing Call of Duty and Candy Crush
install Adobe Creative Cloud to continue using Photoshop
install EA Origin to play the Sims
and etc...
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Apple will have to make it crystal clear that any fraud, data loss or malware from these stores is not their responsibility.

They should also limit the warranty on any phone with side-loaded App Store.
 
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dmylrea said:
Not enough because when I "Get" an app, it seems to take forever.

Also, a supply restraint would mean Apple doesn't have access to more servers. We know that is not the case. A normal supply constraint in manufacturing is where a resource is not available at all or at far less quantity than you need.

With a $3 TRILLION dollar valuation, I'm pretty sure Apple can scratch up enough cash to buy more servers.
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Why do people think that a valuation has anything to do with a cash position?
 
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Chazak said:
That is a pretty incredible twist of what the person you replied to said. They said no such thing and there is no evidence that is what they meant. They suggested two tier pricing based on the payment method chosen voluntarily by user.

If there is a distortion in the two comments, I don't think it is in his comment.
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That is exactly what they’re saying. “Oh gee whiz, Spotify should just tell users it’s $13 per month if they open the app.” And if that’s all the information the user has about the price of Spotify premium, and they know Apple Music is $10, what do you think they’ll be more likely to choose?

That’s called Apple leveraging their anti-competitive position to distort the market.
 
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I would follow Spotify to hell and back. Their interface is superior and their service and app are robust.

The developers should form an Apple Developer Union. I don't like unions, but I hate greedy corporations even more.
 
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it does feel weird that spotify can't compete with apple music on fair grounds. like should the solution really be, spotify has to create a smartphone? like noone else..can sell audiobooks or e-books even, within the app. are we just condemned to all these vertical companies for eternity
 
MuppetGate said:
They should also limit the warranty on any phone with side-loaded App Store.
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If the availability of third-party app stores is going to be mandated by regulation it's unlikely that Apple would be able to do so. It would effectively mean that installing and using third-party app stores is a feature a smartphone OS needs to support to be able to be sold.
 
erikkfi said:
That is exactly what they’re saying. “Oh gee whiz, Spotify should just tell users it’s $13 per month if they open the app.” And if that’s all the information the user has about the price of Spotify premium, and they know Apple Music is $10, what do you think they’ll be more likely to choose?

That’s called Apple leveraging their anti-competitive position to distort the market.
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Surely all the TV, billboard, newspaper advertising that Spotify is doing would make the consumer aware that a Spotify subscription is cheaper on the spotify website than in the iOS app?
 
SoldOnApple said:
Spotify has 44.4 million paying customers, Apple Music has 32.6 million. Which is not too bad considering Spotify was the defecto streaming service. Apple have embraced music more, with famous artists hosting regular shows on the three radio stations, compared to Spotify who have put their money into podcasts like Joe Rogan.
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If only apple embraced their app and data model.. oh and search. Apple music app is total garbage.
 
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Duopoly. They make the rules. Why do you think Apple is a 3 trillion dollar company?. Do you think they can afford to pay reasonable fees nowadays?.
 
tripsync said:
you mean you could just get people to sign up via web instead of doing IAP? who knew.

developers who cry about Apple's 30% cut are being stupidly unreasonable.
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Apple forbade linking to or even *mentioning* web payments in their TOS.

That’s “stupidly unreasonable”.
 
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