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Sure dude, that’s why decades after e-commerce systems have been established the service fees people pay have only increased. You’re not going to save 30%, youre going to save 10%
I couldn’t care less
My example is this to subscribe to YouTube premium with IAP it’s 15.99
On YouTube website 12.99

It makes no odds if it’s a 30% saving or 10% saving it is what it is
This just means that the developer can keep all the income for themselves so I don’t get why people are so mad about Spotify being able to grow their business by offering discounts they couldn’t before on iOS?
 
I couldn’t care less
My example is this to subscribe to YouTube premium with IAP it’s 15.99
On YouTube website 12.99

It makes no odds if it’s a 30% saving or 10% saving it is what it is
This just means that the developer can keep all the income for themselves so I don’t get why people are so mad about Spotify being able to grow their business by offering discounts they couldn’t before on iOS?21

You spent a lot of time arguing the 30% benefit, probably because it makes the issue seem more serious, but now it really doesn’t matter if the savings are a lot less.

I would care about Spotify’s profits if they paid artists more and you cant blame the IAP fee for that since Spotify doesn’t have one. Considering their revenue in 2023 was 2.3 Billion and their net income was 1.2 Billion, Spotify doesn’t need your concern to be very profitable. In fact, as Spotify became very profitable they have never given musicians more.


I dont have a problem allowing a link to YouTube Premium’s website in the same way I don’t have a problem taking advantage of coupons in the supermarket. But I’m not going to set up a bunch separate user accounts for all the apps on my phone which aren’t large and/or regularly repeating expenses, just to save less than a dollar. It’s simply not worth the hassle.

So realistically what will happen is that external sign up links will be in addition to the App Store signup, but not instead of. Apple will probably lower their fees in time, like they have already in some scenarios, which is a win for everyone.
 
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You spent a lot of time arguing the 30% benefit, probably because it makes the issue seem more serious, but now it really doesn’t matter if the savings are a lot less.

I would care about Spotify’s profits if they paid artists more and you cant blame the IAP fee for that since Spotify doesn’t have one. Considering their revenue in 2023 was 2.3 Billion and their net income was 1.2 Billion, Spotify doesn’t need your concern to be very profitable. In fact, as Spotify became very profitable they have never given musicians more.


I dont have a problem allowing a link to YouTube Premium’s website in the same way I don’t have a problem taking advantage of coupons in the supermarket. But I’m not going to set up a bunch separate user accounts for all the apps on my phone which aren’t large and/or regularly repeating expenses, just to save less than a dollar. It’s simply not worth the hassle.

Also. 15% for a purchase from a small developer (under 1M revenue) is less that what stores charge in shelf fees and payment processing costs.
It’s a 30% saving if you subscribe on YouTube’s website compared with IAP
That is the point buddy

However regarding Spotify payment link I think it’s a great idea because now they can offer promotions when you click on the payment link in the iOS app and that is good for the customer so then they can try it out if they like the service

If a developer offers something at 5.00 then going forward they keep all of that income & as a business that will help them out long term

Let’s make no bones about it if Spotify include a payment link in there app it will not be cheaper however as a business then it will help them earn more revenue & that’s a good thing
 
It’s a 30% saving if you subscribe on YouTube’s website compared with IAP
That is the point buddy
It’s only 30% now, the difference will rapidly dimish just like e-commerce payment handling fees have increased for no real reason. 30% is the temporary carrot corporations are dangling in front of people.

Thats the actual point buddy.
 
It’s only 30% now, the difference will rapidly dimish.

Thats the actual point buddy.
It depends on how you look at it
Now for example Spotify will be able to offer promotions because of a payment link so if you want you can try it
So that in turn helps their business or any company going forward unlike before

If I wanted to subscribe to YouTube premium I would do it on the website because it’s cheaper than IAP
However the minute YouTube offers a payment link it will be the same price as the website it just means that Apple won’t get a penny going forward and developers will keep all the income for themselves
 
It depends on how you look at it
Now for example Spotify will be able to offer promotions because of a payment link so if you want you can try it
So that in turn helps their business or any company going forward unlike before

If I wanted to subscribe to YouTube premium I would do it on the website because it’s cheaper than IAP
However the minute YouTube offers a payment link it will be the same price as the website it just means that Apple won’t get a penny going forward and developers will keep all the income for themselves
No longer talking about 30% eh?

Thats fine for large repeating expenses but most people will not go through the hassle of settling up a new user account, which we all know most companies will do, for every app on their phone just to save less than a dollar.
 
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No longer talking about 30% eh?
It’s a 30% saving if I subscribe to YouTube premium on the website
So it is a fundamental saving compared with IAP price that’s a fact

It’s also a fact that Spotify can for the first time off promotions to subscriber if you now click on a payment link so then you would actually save money compared with both
This ruling is a good thing for customers going forward
 
It’s a 30% saving if I subscribe to YouTube premium on the website
So it is a fundamental saving compared with IAP price that’s a fact

It’s also a fact that Spotify can for the first time off promotions to subscriber if you now click on a payment link so then you would actually save money compared with both
This ruling is a good thing for customers going forward
30% is a temporary amount, a carrot dangled in front of people now. Corporations will reduce that price difference rapidly because there is no way they are going to pay for the administrative costs themselves; it will be eroded by the fees they love making us pay for.

We are going around in circles because we disagree on the impact these links will ultimately have so, and people are probably tired of our repeated discussion, so im bowing out.

Cheers
 
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Netflix have a pass. Netflix are allowed to release a free app with no sign ons needed. There is a ‘reader app’ clause which has been in place for years which Spotify is not privy to. I doubt that’s fair but there it is.
Still with the restrictions, they are doing MORE than just fine. So clearly it's not an impediment to their success. The complaint that they can't compete with Apple Music on iOS due to Apple being able to "not" charge themselves the 30% as they do others. Did not prevent Spotify from getting customers to sign up via a separate website, manually. Nor did that affect Netflix either. Reader app or not. It would have worked out just the same.
there is a thing called context of which you have quoted me out of.
Statement matters none the less. You're not forced into anything your not already, in the year of 2025. Fully aware of. And even if anyone wanted to to claim ignorance to anything Apple/iOS/etc. They can at any time switch to another platform. They have the ability to resell their phone or if they didn't have it too long (less than a month). They could give it back to Apple for a full refund. Zero harm done.

When and or if the day ever comes where Apple is T H E only game in town. Hence the word Monopoly. Consumers have choice to stay or go. Vote with your dollars/Euro/Pounds/Yen/Yuan/whatever you got.
 
30% is a temporary amount, a carrot dangled in front of people now. Corporations will reduce that price difference rapidly because there is no way they are going to pay for the administrative costs themselves; it will be eroded by the fees they love making us pay for.

We are going around in circles because we disagree on the impact these links will ultimately have so, and people are probably tired of our repeated discussion, so im bowing out.

Cheers
If it’s not going to have that much of an impact then why is Apple fighting it in the courts
So your point makes no sense

It’s not about the 30% saving the customer it’s about companies like Spotify being able to offer promotions & a payment option going forward

That’s all
 
Still with the restrictions, they are doing MORE than just fine. So clearly it's not an impediment to their success. The complaint that they can't compete with Apple Music on iOS due to Apple being able to "not" charge themselves the 30% as they do others. Did not prevent Spotify from getting customers to sign up via a separate website, manually. Nor did that affect Netflix either. Reader app or not. It would have worked out just the same.

Statement matters none the less. You're not forced into anything your not already, in the year of 2025. Fully aware of. And even if anyone wanted to to claim ignorance to anything Apple/iOS/etc. They can at any time switch to another platform. They have the ability to resell their phone or if they didn't have it too long (less than a month). They could give it back to Apple for a full refund. Zero harm done.

When and or if the day ever comes where Apple is T H E only game in town. Hence the word Monopoly. Consumers have choice to stay or go. Vote with your dollars/Euro/Pounds/Yen/Yuan/whatever you got.
Well it depends because if Spotify can now offer promotions through a payment link then that will make a difference if the product is good so then that will affect Apple Music
 
This is laughable.

AWS for example, charges $0.09 per GB for the first 10 TB, decreasing to $0.085 for the next 40 TB and $0.07 for the next 100 TB. *These are price you or I would pay off the street, not a customer like Apple who probably pays half this.

Spotify App: 217.9 MB or 4.58 downloads per GB.
10 million download would = 2,179,000 MB or 2,179 GB.

That's $196 using the discounted rated. Spotify pays $300/year just to host the App.

I could afford to pay for Spotify's app downloads for the year. Meanwhile, there are millions upon millions of people who would NOT use an iPhone if Spotify were not an option for them. DO the math. Apple wants to sell iPhones, and the AppStore sells iPhones.
You exaggerate the extent of the importance of Spotify.
 
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When was that? Everything I have seen states that Spotify has been, and still remains the dominate service even in the US.
I only know of one person that used Spotify. Spotify has never provided enough of an incentive to use their service.
 
Does Apple not benefit from third party apps being in their store as well? Without the apps the iPhone is a boring and outdated piece of kit.

Stop treating the developers like unimportant nuisances
There have been only a few compelling third party applications.
 
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Does Apple not benefit from third party apps being in their store as well? Without the apps the iPhone is a boring and outdated piece of kit.

Stop treating the developers like unimportant nuisances
Not that many as it used to be back in the day. Now that I closed all my social media accounts the only 3rd party apps I use is banking and messaging apps. I don’t play mobile games so I don’t care if they exist or not. And Spotify compression is terrible so I use Apple Music lossless on my HiFi setup. Even password management doesn’t require a 3rd party app anymore. So for my personal use iOS is practically self sufficient.

What Apple could do now is get rid of AppStore altogether and have developers sign separate private contracts where independent small devs could be offered something similar to the existing AppStore and larger developers should negotiate depending on their market position and income from in app purchases. That would be fair for all.
 
There’s also another benefit to not subscribing via iTunes (for developers). You don’t get to track your subscriptions in one central location, meaning it’s more of a hassle to monitor and manage.
 
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