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You may want to read as written not as you interpret. I didn't say it would be the end of progress, I merely pointed out that every prior wireless merger was sold on the fact that technological progress would accelerate and it's never come to fruition.
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The largest operator in the world (the Carlos Slim companies) owns about 6 MVNOs that operate on Sprint and T-Mobile. Are you saying that Carlos Slim owns Sprint and T-Mobile? Hmm, that's news to me. You may want to fact check yourself.
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I love how people here read what they want. Most does not equal all.

So if it's rainy most days in Seattle, do you think it rains every day? Literacy is important and this is why people need education in America. Most men have short hair. That doesn't mean no man has long hair. Welcome to enlightenment!
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You're confusing education and enlightenment with income levels. SPRINT and TMO have far lower credit standards, and their MVNOs have no credit standards.

I agree, many idiots believe the ATT\VZW marketing that they have vastly superior coverage. For many they do. For some they don't.
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But there has been no acceleration in innovation as a result, and there has been zero progress toward bringing coverage to the rural masses, that's for sure.
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That's a DISTANT horizon you're trying to peer over... like 5+ years.. likely 3-4 until there's any real 5G deployment, and probably another 2-3 before iPhone adopts it.

Meant they’re “ran” by the four carriers. I could create my own MVNO today and just like consumers, I have to deal with the four to run it.
 
Less consumer choice. What's everyone getting all excited about?

Competition is good.

Competition is good, though it seems Sprint is pretty much bankrupt if you look at their debt load. They haven't had a profitable year in at least 10 years.

If Sprint is going to merge, probably makes sense with T-Mobile compared to the others. If Sprint merged into AT&T or Verizon, then you have T-Mobile in danger of getting bought out as well. 3 mega companies should be better for competition than two mega companies.
 
Competition is good, though it seems Sprint is pretty much bankrupt if you look at their debt load. They haven't had a profitable year in at least 10 years.

If Sprint is going to merge, probably makes sense with T-Mobile compared to the others. If Sprint merged into AT&T or Verizon, then you have T-Mobile in danger of getting bought out as well. 3 mega companies should be better for competition than two mega companies.

Take a look at Canada. 3 companies; Bell, Rogers and Telus. Poor reception, measly limited plans and the highest prices in all developed countries.

Don't get too excited.
 
Time will tell whether this will or will not benefit current customers or attract new customers. If this merger does create better service with competitive prices, then this will benefit everyone and with the option to leave Verizon or ATT. I find it difficult to believe the merger will create new jobs as mergers tend to eliminate duplicate positions.
 
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Time will tell whether this will or will not benefit current customers or attract new customers. If this merger does create better service with competitive prices, then this will benefit everyone and with the option to leave Verizon or ATT. I find it difficult to believe the merger will create new jobs as mergers tend to eliminate duplicate positions.
I think time has already told. None of these mergers in the past have benefited customers. Why would this be different?
 
CDMA is being killed off, I believe even Verizon is looking at shutting it down.

But even still, a CDMA based network merging with a GSM network - how is this expected to go smoothly?

Mergers are almost never good for consumers.
Don't CDMA iPhones also support GSM so users can roam overseas?
 
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The more competition the better. I like and use T-Mobile. I’m not for this deal though.
 
I truly hope that this merger is blocked. I've been with T-Mobile since they began offering support for the iPhone 3GS way back and the service has been better then AT&T and Version in my neighborhood. They get me LTE whereas I have to use WiFi calling to be able to make a call on AT&T and even that fails many times when my phone loses signal or drops to no bars.

Just in case though, I have ported out one of my three lines to AT&T last month to keep a foot in the door in case things happen with T-Mobile with this merger that I don't like.

I have always enjoyed the service T-Mobile has given me and their customer service has been top notch. I've paid for all of my phones outright every time I buy one through them and they usually unlock them within a few days of buying them. Great carrier beyond a doubt.
 
I currently have Sprint and it will be interesting to see how it goes. One thing I like about T-Mobile is they have 50 gigs per line on their unlimited plans each month. Sprint is 23 gigs, AT&T is 22 gigs, Verizon is 22 gigs. 50 gigs is a heck of a lot more friendly to the consumer.
Soooo we’re all happy here that competition is disappearing in an industry that regularly calls 22-50 GB plans "unlimited?"

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I live in a rural area. T-Mobile has the best service in my home out of all four and is way faster. I know that’s not the case for everyone but I do know for sure they didn’t have a signal out here a few years back. Love paying no taxes and fees. I’m not gonna pretend to know if this merger will be good or bad for me but I’m wishing them well and hope like heck John does give me 5G home internet.
 
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Soooo we’re all happy here that competition is disappearing in an industry that regularly calls 22-50 GB plans "unlimited?"

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Well, 50GB unlimited is better than 22GB unlimited. It’s technically unlimited, just throttled after 50GB. And certain streaming audio and video sources don’t count towards the limit.
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Take a look at Canada. 3 companies; Bell, Rogers and Telus. Poor reception, measly limited plans and the highest prices in all developed countries.

Don't get too excited.
Hard to compare the US with Canada, which has more than 25% of its population in a small area (Golden Horseshoe) and then a lot of blank space outside a handful of other metro areas.
 
Never going to happen.

The thing most people don't realize is what T-Mobile and Sprint are in this country.

90% of Americans living close to or below the poverty level use T-Mobile, Sprint, or one of their MVNO carriers that operate on their network. The two carriers and their MVNOs make up 14 of the top 18 MVNO carriers, all which would be at risk if the two merged.

If the carriers were to merge, it could potentially turn 14 carriers into one. So those who say it doesn't eliminate competition don't understand the reality of the situation.

It can't happen. If it does, it'll be the end of wireless competitive pricing in America as we know it. Every time carriers try to merge, they promise jobs, more competition, and better coverage. My question to TMO is this, what happened to their last several times they came promising coverage to Rural America? It's complete garbage when a wireless company's CEO comes on and begs for public support by promising bringing rural coverage to America. It hasn't happened in 25 years of promises and 25 years of mergers. It's not going to happen now.

Want to see choice, competition, and technological progress end in America? Support this merger.
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I have to agree. This is much deeper than the names “Sprint” and “T-Mobile.”

I guess a sucker is born every day. Every merger in US history has been sold by CEOs saying expedited technology adoption and rural coverage will happen if the merger is approved. If you buy into this then I have some beachfront property in Idaho to sell you. This has been the sell every time. And has never happened in the history of US wireless carrier mergers.
 
Well, 50GB unlimited is better than 22GB unlimited. It’s technically unlimited, just throttled after 50GB. And certain streaming audio and video sources don’t count towards the limit.
But that’s the exact problem that’s going to exacerbated by this merger.

Instead of simple, honest plans that say "22 GB" at full speed and throttled to 128kbps after that, they call everything "unlimited" and bury the throttling and zero-rating in the fine print.

And now there will be one less competitor. Seems like things are just going to keep getting worse as everyone cheers on the expansion of a company running dishonest marketing shrouding limits and caps behind an "unlimited" moniker.
 
T.mobile is amazing. I went from at&t to TMobile and love it. The fact I can use my phone over seas is amazing. Yes it isn't fast but it's useable
 
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Why the hate on CDMA? CDMA is so superior that the "GSM" carriers use it now instead of GSM.
Yeah, I think people are confused between the 2G and 3G. The 3G technology that “GSM” carriers are using is WCDMA. CDMA vs GSM mostly refers to the 2G fallback. Most of the “hate” of CDMA usually comes from the lack of SIM card, locked handsets, and incompatibility with many international carriers. But LTE has solved those issues.

Of course, the irony is now people wanting the removal of SIM card. With carriers like AT&T locking e-SIM, it is not a good idea.
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These mergers are always presented to the public as "rainbows and unicorns" for everybody! Usually the end result is not even close to the claims.
Yeah, it is usually the case.

On the other hand, sometimes mergers are inevitable, especially from each companies’ perspective. Sprint is going nowhere. Either it got merged, or it died on its own, a slow death. The end result is the same, “less” competition.
 
Looking forward to this, changes are always great.
If I am not happy? I will just switch, no problem.

So far though I am a very happy customer with tmobile especially that I can use it internationally.
 
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Never going to happen.

The thing most people don't realize is what T-Mobile and Sprint are in this country.

90% of Americans living close to or below the poverty level use T-Mobile, Sprint, or one of their MVNO carriers that operate on their network. The two carriers and their MVNOs make up 14 of the top 18 MVNO carriers, all which would be at risk if the two merged.

If the carriers were to merge, it could potentially turn 14 carriers into one. So those who say it doesn't eliminate competition don't understand the reality of the situation.

That's a pretty broad statement there. Love to see your proof. But find it odd that I live in one of the highest median income areas and Sprint and T-Mob stores are more prevalent than ATT or VZW. I had ATT. Switched to TMob because I didn't see the value of staying with ATT. No regrets and I'm much closer in income to the 1% than the 0%. I feel no stigma of using what you seem to view as a 2nd rate carrier.

And "eliminating competition" isn't a sole criterion in anti-trust law. If it were there would be no mergers ever. It's much more complex than that -- so complex that in law school it's multiple courses for those interested in having any competency in it. I wasn't one of those students but I wouldn't bet on this merger not happening.

Of the cell mergers we've seen in these many years this one has the most likelihood of succeeding because it actually could benefit consumers -- much more than if Sprint was left to wither on the vine and T-Mob remained a perennial 3 of 3 in customer base because it doesn't have the $ muscle to expand or modernize quicker than competitors. That essentially makes 2 strong cellcos plus one weaker one. How is that good for consumers long run?
 
Sprint is going nowhere. Either it got merged, or it died on its own, a slow death. The end result is the same, “less” competition.

Exactly right. Sprint is a dying company. They have a ton of debt and they are losing money every year. T-Mobile is essentially bailing out Sprint before it goes bankrupt. The only way to keep Sprint open by itself in the long term would be a government bailout with taxpayer dollars. Pretty sure nobody wants that to happen.
 
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